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Counterattacking
Feb 7 2013 | GenXteacher

Posted on 02/07/2013 8:08:37 PM PST by GenXteacher

I thought I would just share a thought. All these outrageous proposals such as forcing gun owners to buy extra insurance, backdoor confiscation through universal background checks, and other vile crap I find infuriating. I think those of us who oppose these things should come up with our own proposals that the enemy would find completely unacceptable, because the best defense is a good offense. So, here is a proposal I have for an act of Congress:

"The 2nd Amendment Protection Act of 2013 Resolved that the 2nd Amendment represents a fundamental freedom, this act hereby declares that any attempt to legislate, enact, enter into, endorse, craft, or otherwise propose any legislation or regulation that would inhibit the free exercise of the 2nd Amendment be defined as treason, punishable by not less than death, applicable to any member of Congress, any member of any state legislature, town council or other lawmaking body, or employee of a federal agency, elected official, or other such person in charge of making regulations within the executive branch. "

Yeah, I know. It has little chance of passing, and some effeminate country-club GOP-E appeaser is reading this and throwing his/her Perrier back up in their mouth reading it. The point is, by taking swipes at the left- the way they are doing- it will hamper their attempts to enact whatever rubbish they are attempting to pass, because they have expend some effort to fend off whatever we toss at them, no matter how ridiculous.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; counterattacking; guncontrol; secondamendment
Just tossed this out for some thoughts. Playing defense on the gun issue annoys me for some reason.....
1 posted on 02/07/2013 8:08:42 PM PST by GenXteacher
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To: GenXteacher

I guess I’m not surprised that they’re taking on this approach. They’ve done this for years in trying to legislate dog ownership, introducing breed specific legislation and exorbitant insurance requirements, basically making it too expensive to own certain types of dog and ultimately lead to their eradication.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 8:24:49 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: GenXteacher

Threatening to hang feds for treason won’t play well...

Convincing the local authorities that we will assist them in maintaining order should a crisis arise is a better bet.

IMHO.


3 posted on 02/07/2013 8:27:17 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: GenXteacher

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


4 posted on 02/07/2013 8:33:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: GenXteacher
I have proposed that the 1934 Firearms Act, 1968 Firearms Act and the 1986 Firearms Act be fully repealed. I have proposed that firearms education be mandatory in all schools starting in grade school with firearms safety and by high school proficiency courses with shooting time at a range.

There are two proposals the Progressives will never accept.

5 posted on 02/07/2013 8:34:00 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: GenXteacher

I like it, actually. The game Obama plays is the community organizer game. My brother worked for years as an organizer and I was exposed to this propaganda tool at a very early age. They are communists and consummate liars and usually leave the people they “advocate” for in worse shape than when they appeared on the scene.

The basic strategy employed is “Top This!” You start out with a demand that’s completely over the top and you reinforce your demands by using very specific key words and phrases, parroted continuously by everyone in your group. Then you go to work dividing and conquering the public, playing on their jealousies and fears and promising them the moon and the stars if they help support you. In the end most opposition is overwhelmed by this strategy as it gives the impression that you are an enormous, insurmountable force.

Here is my suggestion. They want to eradicate the second amendment, then we will trade it for the second article of the constitution - the powers of the president. No right to bear arms, no right to presidential powers.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 8:35:48 PM PST by Juliathemechanic (It is all a game to the community organizer)
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To: One Name
So, I guess my new Bumper Sticker Slogan, “Impeach Obama Benghazi and try him for Treason” is a little over the top then.

BTW - I've heard that in some obscure English dialects, “try” is another word for “hang”, but I could be mistaken about that.

7 posted on 02/07/2013 8:40:04 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: TigersEye
I have proposed that the 1934 Firearms Act, 1968 Firearms Act and the 1986 Firearms Act be fully repealed. I have proposed that firearms education be mandatory in all schools starting in grade school with firearms safety and by high school proficiency courses with shooting time at a range. There are two proposals the Progressives will never accept.

Well ... we'll compromise with the communists ...

Perhaps it would be OK if the proficiency course were voluntary ...

But seriously, your proposal is really just a reasonable first step. It's for the children, after all ... and if it saves even one life, it's worth it.

8 posted on 02/07/2013 8:41:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Juliathemechanic

How about proposing legislation that provides that no federal funds may be spent for the armed protection of any elected or unelected officer or employee of the federal government, with the exception of members of the armed forces, but not protecting the commander in chief. Let’s start with that to see how disarming the people works. Then go from there.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 8:45:39 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Kickass Conservative

Well now that you mention it, I think that Benghazi thing is continuing to unravel...and when the truth is known those who have ears to hear will be shocked.

The gun-running covert operation was elucidated here at FR early on.

Now that Hillary stepped aside they are pounding on her- but obama conveniently left the ball at Sec Def that afternoon...

I was speaking more to the local level in my earlier.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 8:50:28 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Perhaps it would be OK if the proficiency course were voluntary ...

I was thinking that too. I just get tired of typing. Most HS courses outside the core curriculum are optional so that would be fine. Maybe one high school level safety/history/etc course the first year and optional courses that take someone with real interest into the good stuff the next two years.

Forcing someone to shoot a gun who doesn't want to isn't a good idea any more than forcing someone to play full contact football or try higher level gymnastics.

11 posted on 02/07/2013 8:58:39 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
I'm just offering a gun-grabber style compromise ...

you know ...

Ask for everything, settle for half, come back for the rest next year.

Forcing someone to shoot a gun who doesn't want to isn't a good idea any more than forcing someone to play full contact football or try higher level gymnastics.

Seriously, that's probably right. Maybe make Air Rifle an 'opt out' type activity, and Firearms an 'opt in' kind of activity.

We really have to combat hoplophobia. Early childhood intervention is necessary.

And it's for the children ... it could save lives. If it saves even one life, it's worth it!

(I just love shoving the leftists' rhetoric down their throats ....)

12 posted on 02/07/2013 9:07:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GenXteacher

Well, I like your idea and I’ll bump the thread. But I’m losing confidence in folks like the NRA and others who claim the mantle of defending 2nd amendment rights.


13 posted on 02/07/2013 9:52:38 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Education and familiarization (six of one ... half a dozen) would definitely be the cure for that. IMO it would show serious reductions in crimes with firearms and accidents after a decade or so. People who know guns well aren’t as afraid of them and aren’t as stupid with them as those who aren’t.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 9:53:01 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: GenXteacher

how about “all existing federal, state and local laws regulating and restricting gun ownership and usage are null and void as they are inherent infringements on the second amendment, which states clearly the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed.”


15 posted on 02/07/2013 10:09:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GenXteacher

Defining it as treason is unconstitutional, as th Constitution provides an exclusive definition of treason. Pursuing an unconstitutional law in order to protect the Constitution sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?


16 posted on 02/08/2013 5:52:54 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: GenXteacher

When they use Alinsky against you, you have to use Alinsky back at them.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 6:48:35 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: GenXteacher

I’d replace “treason” with “immediate removal from office and forfeiture of all rights accruing to U.S. citizenship”.

But I sure do like your thinking!


18 posted on 02/08/2013 9:01:32 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Juliathemechanic
The game Obama plays is the community organizer game... They are communists and consummate liars ...The basic strategy employed is “Top This!”

Amen sister. The Repubs are woefully lacking. There should be a automatic reaction by the Repubs to counter every move by the "liars". When the Commies call for gun control, the Repubs respond with introducing LESS gun control (Examples: tax breaks for gun owners, dealers, manufacturers...). Of course, they would have to employ similar methods: key words, phrases, parading around a grandma who killed an armed intruder, etc. Then make outrageous claims like Obama wants to hunt innocent people down with drones. I could go on and I know you could too.

The points are that the Repubs need to counter attack and not react. And, using the same tactics of the commies against the commies is MORE effective against the commies then against us.

If you have not read David Horowitz, you need to visit Frontpagemag.com. He was a red diaper baby activist who later converted to (gasp) a conservative.

19 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:06 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: GenXteacher

“A static defense is slow suicide.” - attributed to Napoleon.

I am a firm believer that General MacArthur(PBUH) was right, that the best offense against a dug in enemy is “Hit ‘em where they aren’t”.

The gun control debate has rapidly turned into something of an impasse, the stalemate of trench warfare. So now would be a good time to maintain defense, while advancing in an unexpected direction.

A weak effort was made for this to be in mental health care, but that is far too difficult to straighten out right now.

So my estimate of the best counterattack is to go after the death penalty.

Specifically to both streamline and expand it, optimally so that it can be carried out with five years of sentencing at first, eventually to within two years.

This tactic will distract from the gun control debate, in that every time they push to blame crime on guns, conservatives can push back calling to execute the killers, a debate the left will want to avoid.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 9:57:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Good point, although a clever prosecutor could probably define legislation that interferes with the 2nd Amendment as activity that seeks to damage the US by weakening its defenses, thereby making such activity an attack, making it meet the “levying war against them” standard.... Also, there might be a pretty good case for the current administration to be considered as adhering to the enemies of the US, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, or Communist China....


21 posted on 02/08/2013 3:20:12 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: TigersEye

Kudos on that.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 3:22:05 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

Thank you. If we’re going to have a “national conversation” about firearms let’s start by demanding that every law on the books be challenged on its Constitutionality. Never give a inch! ;-)


23 posted on 02/08/2013 3:30:20 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Kevmo

I’ve still got some faith in the NRA- numbers and money are useful, and I’m a life member myself. I don’t have much in the Republican party though, because I think they would like very much to cave in on this issue.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 3:41:48 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Kevmo

I agree with you on the NRA. They have been far too willing to compromise on our god given right to protect ourselves against a government who is becoming more and more willing to turn their weapons and laws on us!

The NRA calls me so often I know their phone numbers by heart and I refuse to talk to them.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 4:03:05 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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