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Texas "Anti Drone" Laws Would be Toughest in USA
WOAI-AM ^ | February 7, 2013 | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 02/07/2013 8:28:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Texas would have the toughest anti-drone legislation in the country under a bill filed by State Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Terrell).

1200 WOAI's Michael Board reports that Gooden has introduced a measure which would outlaw the use of drones by individuals, or state or federal law enforcement.

Gooden tells 1200 WOAI news that his bill would have limited exceptions, including allowing drones within 25 miles of the Rio Grande for drug and illegal immigrant interdiction programs, or for use by law enforcement with a valid search or arrest warrant, with 'probable cause to believe that a person has committed a felony.'

"Do we want out local police departments laying off officers and simply parking drones over our homes to keep an eye on all of us?" Gooden asked.

Gooden's measure would make it illegal for any image which was taken by a drone-based camera from being used in any civil or criminal court proceeding.

"These drones are going to get so cheap that soon you'll be able to buy your own drone at Best Buy," Gooden said. "You could park it a foot above the ground in your neighbor's back yard and film into their house. If someone wanted to film your children out playing by the pool and put that video on the Internet, as creepy as that sounds."

Gooden says his measure is being introduced now, rather than five-years from now when drones will become more ubiquitous, because now is the time to come up with laws, before there is a 'drone lobby' which will be out in force to protect the drone industry. He points out if we would have had laws prohibiting texting and driving been passed 15 years ago, texting and driving would not be the problem it is today...

(Excerpt) Read more at radio.woai.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: drones; obama; texas; uavs

1 posted on 02/07/2013 8:28:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


2 posted on 02/07/2013 8:30:17 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Klaatu barada nikto.


3 posted on 02/07/2013 8:38:00 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What about using them for target practice or for hobbyist missile interceptor testing?


4 posted on 02/07/2013 8:43:19 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: BipolarBob
Looks sorta Finnish.

More illegal aliens I suppose.

5 posted on 02/07/2013 8:46:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: BipolarBob

Just make sure you said that right. :-)


6 posted on 02/07/2013 8:50:08 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Paladin2
Looks sorta Finnish.

A "The Day The Earth Stood Still" reference. Klaatu's planet used drones to protect the population against violence.

7 posted on 02/07/2013 8:52:11 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These drones are going to get so cheap that soon you'll be able to buy your own drone at Best Buy

You already can, and control it with your smartphone. Oh, did I mention full color HD video? And pre-program flight plans via GPS. All for under $200

8 posted on 02/07/2013 8:52:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they would use them along the border to stop the southern invasion I would have no problem with them. However, I am not sure that they would be used for that purpose.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 8:52:55 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

Governor Perry has already has pushed for it.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61476.html


10 posted on 02/07/2013 8:56:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: BipolarBob

(I looked it up...) ;-)


11 posted on 02/07/2013 8:59:04 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mnehring

Do you think that if I were to monitor the County and City SWAT vehicles 24/7 with these drones, I’d attract any unwanted attention?


12 posted on 02/07/2013 9:01:32 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I’ve really been tempted to get one and fly it around just to see what stories and conspiracies pop up. Find the most paranoid people I know and hover it above their house when you know they are home.


13 posted on 02/07/2013 9:04:01 PM PST by mnehring
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Tax-chick
If someone wanted to film your children out playing by the pool and put that video on the Internet, as creepy as that sounds.

Yes, bad grammar IS creepy!

14 posted on 02/07/2013 9:07:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pretty stupid on Lance Gooden’s part IMHO since we want those drones to watch our HUGE border.
Use them, but put in a clause about NOT using them on Citizens.


15 posted on 02/07/2013 9:10:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Drones are now available to the general public.


16 posted on 02/07/2013 9:14:42 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: mnehring

We have been using High tech to cover the border long before Perry came to office.


17 posted on 02/07/2013 9:15:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mnehring

I can see hobbyist LASER wattage increasing dramatically in the near future.


18 posted on 02/07/2013 9:16:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mnehring

Your loose dog may make it home safely, but your drone - not so much.


19 posted on 02/07/2013 9:17:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mylife

Yes, we have been using high tech to cover the border long before Perry came to office—and we all know how well that’s worked......


20 posted on 02/07/2013 9:23:35 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t you just LOVE the country of Texas? I sure do.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 9:25:16 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: basil

Most interference comes from the Feds.
Texas does its best despite the Feds.

In Az the Minutemen developed their own drones and the Feds shut them down as vigilantes.

When you take federal money it get’s even stickier.


22 posted on 02/07/2013 9:33:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That is a good law - our Texas county was one of the first to get one and I don't want it zooming around. What if the sheriff has enemies, political or otherwise, and uses his drone to spy into those enemies’ houses? Get a bad sheriff and you are in trouble. Or, he uses it for the benefit of a political friend spying into the house of a friend's political enemy? I read it can spy through the windows of houses beneath it. I am against drones for law enforcement due to the possibility of improper use.
23 posted on 02/07/2013 9:33:45 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: 3Fingas
Just make sure you said that right. :-)

And shop smart...

24 posted on 02/07/2013 9:36:16 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in cases where a person is thought to have committed a felony....

there are so many things now classified as felonies i’d be surprised if mostof us here can’t find a class h or i or q felony we’ve done and didn’t even know about.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 10:05:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in cases where a person is thought to have committed a felony....

there are so many things now classified as felonies i’d be surprised if mostof us here can’t find a class h or i or q felony we’ve done and didn’t even know about.

plus anyone can be “suspected” of committing a felony if they want to use a drone agaonst them.


26 posted on 02/07/2013 10:05:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

““Do you really think we want those laws observed?” Said Dr. Ferris. We want them broken. You better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that’s the system Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Part 2, Chapter 3, Page 404


27 posted on 02/07/2013 10:23:04 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a HORRIBLE Law that must be defeated. It doesn't do anything except destroy personal liberty and does nothing to keep the bad guys or the bad government agencies from doing whatever they want.

Here's the text to the bill .

Any person who owns an unmanned aerial vehicle (i.e., a R/C airplane, helicopter, multicopter, drone, whatever) that captures any kind of image from 6 feet or higher must have the permission of every person who has property that is in the image before the image can be made. Out on my 240 acre farm, from 6 feet off the ground, I can see the property of 13 different people. If I want to fly any aircraft that includes any kind of camera (like a FPV plane or quadcopter), I have to have their permission. If someone drives between the sections while I'm in flight and passes in front of the camera, I have to catch them and get their written consent. What happens if an airliner flies overhead and is caught on the camera?

So, what about when law enforcement wants to use this against citizens? Nothing.

“(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the image was captured:
(1) pursuant to a valid search or arrest warrant;
(2) by a law enforcement authority in immediate pursuit of a person law enforcement officers have probable cause to suspect has committed a felony;
(3) for the purpose of fire suppression or rescuing a person whose life is in imminent danger;
(4) of real property or a person on real property that is within 25 miles of the United States border for the sole purpose of enforcing border laws;
(5) without magnification or other enhancement from no more than six feet above ground level in a public place; or
(6) of public real property or a person on that property.”

The police just have to claim to be using it for searching for someone or claim to have a search warrant, and they are completely free.

This legislation must be defeated. It will only keep drones out of the hands of people who will never do anyone harm with it, and not keep them out of the hands of people who will do harm. We already have laws against spying and stalking. This bill will not enhance anyone’s security or freedom.

Please join me in opposition to HB 912. Call your representative NOW!

28 posted on 02/07/2013 10:40:20 PM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Paladin2

Would be good practice for dove and quail.


29 posted on 02/07/2013 10:44:06 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: 3Fingas
Texas understands what these drones will be used for eventually. Now is the time to
kick the feds in the groin before they cause to much trouble.

I was talking to an RC guy a couple weeks ago and asked if anybody has adapted
video to the model plane yet. He looked at me like I was talking about unicorns and skittle poop.

Bottom line is that any android can be adapted to control an RC plane and also
take video. Put on a pair of 3D glasses and you're off.
Flight time would be limited by fuel and cell battery.

Somebody somewhere in a garage is already working on it and will make it fly.

30 posted on 02/07/2013 10:54:28 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax
I was talking to an RC guy a couple weeks ago and asked if anybody has adapted video to the model plane yet. He looked at me like I was talking about unicorns and skittle poop.

Search for "FPV" - First Person View. As near as I can tell, it's the hottest thing in RC.

31 posted on 02/07/2013 11:26:55 PM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Texas would have the toughest anti-drone legislation in the country under a bill filed by State Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Terrell).

What do they have against worker bees?


32 posted on 02/08/2013 3:40:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...and what does the law say about FEDERAL drones? Are they part of the ban? ...and if they fly, what’s the penalty? Perhaps a Shoot down by local law enforcement (or by deputized pheasant hunters.).


33 posted on 02/08/2013 4:00:23 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How will this affect RC Model builders/flyers?


34 posted on 02/08/2013 6:12:36 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would add a few provisions making it unlawful for a drone to carry any weapons system or even having the capability to carry a weapons system, to include projectiles, explosives, including fuel that can explode, or toxic chemicals that could either be dispensed, sprayed or be an exhaust component.

Likewise they could not carry a laser or emit any form of radiation other than radio guidance communications on an authorized, pre-approved radio guidance communications bandwidth.

The entire flight plan and duration of the flight would have to be included in any judicial warrant, and remote operation would have to be carried out entirely within the state, and with the written acceptance of state jurisdiction over the use of the drone, in addition to FAA rules.

Finally, I would add a huge liability penalty for anyone who violates these rules, resulting in damage to property, injury or death of persons below.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 8:49:07 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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