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How the Gun-Control Movement Got Smart
The Atlantic ^ | 2-7-2013 | Molly Ball

Posted on 02/09/2013 6:53:14 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

Why are advocates so optimistic now when reform has failed so many times before? Because they have a totally new strategy

Here is how advocates of gun control used to talk about their cause: They openly disputed that the Second Amendment conferred the right to own a gun. Their major policy goals were to make handguns illegal and enroll all U.S. gun owners in a federal database. The group now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence was once known as Handgun Control Inc.; a 2001 book by the executive director of the Violence Policy Center was entitled Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.

Contrast that with what you see today: Gun-control groups don't even use the term "gun control," with its big-government implications, favoring "preventing gun violence" instead. Democratic politicians preface every appeal for reform with a paean to the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment and bend over backwards to assure "law-abiding gun owners" they mean them no ill will. Even the president, a Chicago liberal who once derided rural voters' tendency to "cling to guns or religion," seeks to assure gun enthusiasts he's one of them by citing a heretofore-unknown enthusiasm for skeet shooting, adding, "I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations. And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."

A frequent question in the current battle over gun control is why anyone should expect reform to succeed now when it's failed repeatedly for the last 20 years. Maybe this is why: Between then and now, advocates of gun control got smarter. They've radically changed their message into one that's more appealing to Middle America and moderate voters. ......

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
Beware.

Be weary.

And be vigilant.

1 posted on 02/09/2013 6:53:17 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

I assume all those who want to restrict or register firearms are motivated by a desire to disarm citizens. I doubt that I am wrong on more than 1% to 2% of those who oppose our basic human rights in this area.

I assume that those who want the people disarmed do so because they want to increase government’s power to coerce the people. Again, I doubt that I am wrong in many cases.

We are facing pure evil.

There can be no compromise with those who are trying to take our freedom. We cannot safely compromise and hope they will be content forever with just taking high-capacity assault magazines or just taking assault rifles, or just taking semi-automatic assault rifles, or just taking assault handguns and then all handguns. Any of these defeats would pose a major threat to freedom, but the socialists will continue seeking a compromise that splits the difference between our position and theirs, between good and evil, until we can no longer oppose them at all. They eventually want the last flintlocks from museums, the knives from our kitchens, and the baseball bats from our garages. The place to stop them is right her, and right now, while we are strong enough to (hopefully) intimidate them into backing down and avoiding a civil war.


2 posted on 02/09/2013 7:01:51 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Sir Napsalot

The crapola coming out of California is enough to petrify anyone.

The Leftists now believe they can be in your face about their true agenda. The mask, and the gloves, are off.


3 posted on 02/09/2013 7:05:35 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Here is a good site documenting the positive side of gun ownership...http://equalforce.net/EqualForce2/UNDERREPORTED_NEWS_OF_SELF_DEFENSE_THROUGHOUT_AMERICA.html


4 posted on 02/09/2013 7:07:54 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Democratic politicians preface every appeal for reform with a paean to the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment and bend over backwards to assure "law-abiding gun owners" they mean them no ill will.

Law abiding? As in respecting the Constitution?

Law abiding is something that is done by example, not by spraying out masses of ridiculous Executive Orders.

Even the president, a Chicago liberal who once derided rural voters' tendency to "cling to guns or religion," seeks to assure gun enthusiasts he's one of them

No he is not. He is a foreign communist. He is NOT like me or anyone I know.

But don't let cold facts get in the way of the trendy meme of whom is perpetrating "gun violence." It isn't the guns, it isn't the "bitter clingers" or the "rural hicks," it is the urban democrats.

Yeah, those damn facts. What a bitch to deal with, eh?

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5 posted on 02/09/2013 7:13:07 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Sir Napsalot

By ‘smart’ do they mean a load of meaningless nonbinding boilerplate offered up by Student Council President Barry Oblamer and Jokin’ Joe Biden?

By ‘smart’ do they mean a Congress paralyzed by fear - and rightfully so - over any move that would single them out for attention?

By ‘smart’ do they mean a movement that still fails to achieve a majority in popular polling?

By ‘smart’ do they mean proposals involving cosmetic aspects of weapons and trifles involving magazine size?

By ‘smart’ do they mean exclusively targeting the law-abiding and sane while criminals and nutters escape scrutiny and enforcement?

This sounds about as ‘smart’ as a SmartCar in a high-speed collision.


6 posted on 02/09/2013 7:13:33 AM PST by relictele
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To: Sir Napsalot
How come no gun control was brought up after Fort Hood??

Never mind.

Was Hasan another of Obama's sons?

"Let's not come to any conclusions."

7 posted on 02/09/2013 7:17:46 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: csmusaret

If the photo at that site is supposed to be of someone who’s protecting himself, they may want to replace it. With an unholstered gun stuck in the back of his waistband and what appears to be his finger on the trigger, I hope he doesn’t shoot himself in the butt.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 7:18:40 AM PST by Bob
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To: TLI

That amazing...demographics all the way...


9 posted on 02/09/2013 7:18:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sir Napsalot
A frequent question in the current battle over gun control is why anyone should expect reform to succeed now when it's failed repeatedly for the last 20 years. Maybe this is why: Between then and now, advocates of gun control got smarter.

But another thing that has happened between then and now is Heller.

Beware.

Be weary wary.

And be vigilant.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 7:20:31 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Sir Napsalot

No, they didn’t change. That had a sweep plum drop in their lap when all those little children were murdered, and it happened safely after an election. The band hadn’t even finished warming up and the ghouls were gleefully dancing on the not-yet-buried bodies.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 7:24:07 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Yo-Yo
>>> Be weary wary.

Hang head in shame......

12 posted on 02/09/2013 7:25:54 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Old Sarge

I am very concerned about California and New York. What can be done, aside from CWII?


13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:07 AM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Bob

I hope you got past the picture.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 7:30:29 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: TLI

Thanks, saving the picture for future ref.


15 posted on 02/09/2013 7:38:02 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: TLI
Best

Graphic

EVER!

16 posted on 02/09/2013 7:44:37 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: csmusaret

Of course. The site is great and I’ve bookmarked it. That doesn’t make the photo any better.


17 posted on 02/09/2013 7:48:34 AM PST by Bob
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To: Sir Napsalot

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice.

Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered.

And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

Back then HCI said they “Only wanted to control handguns. Long guns would not be affected.”

A few years later they added certain long guns to their list of guns to be banned.


18 posted on 02/09/2013 7:50:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Old Sarge

***The crapola coming out of California is enough to petrify anyone.***

They are still trying to find a way around the voters rejection of Proposition 15 back in 1982.

That was the proposition to register old and ban new handguns in the state.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 8:00:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Bob

Tell them not me. I don’t write their stuff, I just pass it on to people who I hope can and will use it.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 8:07:31 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Gun control”will be achieved incrementally. The Alinsky-ites are in comtrol now.


21 posted on 02/09/2013 8:15:17 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: csmusaret

I already have. I should have removed your name when I posted my original comment on the photo. I wasn’t criticizing you for it. Sorry if it appeared like I was.


22 posted on 02/09/2013 8:16:43 AM PST by Bob
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To: Sir Napsalot; All

By smart, she means that they gave up all pretence of honesty and openly lie about their intentions and desired result.

That is exactly the left in a nutshell. A complete reliance on lies and deception. They are despicable.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 8:30:49 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

HOW THEY GOT SMART??

They are freaking GHOULS.

They will use every tragedy - BEFORE THE FUNERALS ARE EVEN OVER - to push their agendas.

All without debate or input from the public - as quickly as they can while emotions are high.

Never let a crisis go to waste. Never let the people decide.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 8:32:05 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: TLI

I question the accuracy of that FBI map only because it shows two counties in California along the Nevada border as having “gun violence.” Those two counties are Mono and Alpine. Both are very rural, Alpine County has something less than 300 people living there. I recall that an outsider driving through there a few years ago commited a crime at the only business establishment in the county, otherwise there is no “gun violence” there.

Mono County is rural and Conservative, ranchers, hunters, outdoorsmen, etc., except for the Mammoth Lakes Ski Resort which has attracted a lot of weathly Liberals (whose votes turned the county blue like Aspen, CO), and illegal aliens to work as cooks and busboys. The illegals and the drug dealing ski bums are the only ones committing crimes there, but not with guns.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 8:42:44 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Sir Napsalot
A frequent question in the current battle over gun control is why anyone should expect reform to succeed now when it's failed repeatedly for the last 20 years.

We thought the same about govt controlled healthcare, but here we are today.

Personally I would have no problem with some background checks for purchases of handguns , IF it weren't this bunch of leftists pushing it. Because it's "the community organizer" and all the rest of those who gave us Fast & Furious , I simply don't trust their intentions. They had this legislation and "grass roots" organizing ready to go before Newtown. It was as if they were waiting for an incident. IMHO, F&F was supposed to be the catalyst, instead Newtown happened, which for the left was even better.

This is an extremely sick bunch we have in this administration. They truly are a cross between black panthers and Stalinists.

26 posted on 02/09/2013 8:56:42 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Sir Napsalot

John McCain
“Convicted felons have been able to buy and sell thousands of guns at gun shows because of a loophole in the law. Many were later used in crimes, and that’s wrong ....”

Prove it John!


27 posted on 02/09/2013 8:56:53 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“universal background checks”

It will require drug lords and gang bangers to conduct background checks before arming new recruits.....

Conservatives need to emphasize that NONE of these measures impact the criminal.

Further, NOTHING is being done to disarm the criminals, only the law abiding citizen.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 9:02:21 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: TLI

That is a GREAT graphic!


29 posted on 02/09/2013 9:12:39 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Gun-control groups don't even use the term "gun control," with its big-government implications, favoring "preventing gun violence" instead.

This directly appeals to liberal soccer moms and feminized metro-sexual fathers, when they can be found.

Too many people in America have been conditioned to avoid any risk and any physical confrontation. Dial 911 and die.

30 posted on 02/09/2013 9:13:43 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“and bend over backwards to assure “law-abiding gun owners” they mean them no ill will.”

In other words, they are LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH!


No one is talking about taking you guns. This seems to be one of their favorites – often spewed with disdain that you are being paranoid etc.

Again, this is just another distraction meant to fool some into thinking that the Proggies aren’t doing exactly what they are doing.

This is east to refute – simply copy and paste quotations and links for the variation socialist luminaries of the left calling for CONFISCATION and variations thereof.

The best is the quotation from Andrew “Gun Confiscation” Cuomo:

“Confiscation could be an option” Andrew Cuomo http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&;

MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons http://carrollspaper.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=14934&TM=35600.75 State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, says Iowa lawmakers should ban semi-automatic guns and “start taking them” from owners.

Feinstein: ‘Purpose Is to Dry Up the Supply of These Weapons Over Time’ www.weeklystandard.com/ blogs/ feinstein-purpose-dry-supply-these-weapons-over-time_697629.html Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage

San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne, said in the interview it may take a generation, but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws. http://www.washingtonguardian.com/top-cops-get-political-guns

There are other examples of course; this is just a sampling.
Proggies like to throw out this LIE with abandon, hoping that no one will call them one it.

Again, don’t fall for their attempts at changing the rules in the middle of the game. The supposition was that no one was talking about it and those examples certainly show that.

The point here is twofold – one to shown the Proggies that they are abject LIARS – like their leader – and that CONFISCATION is being discussed.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 9:44:18 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Correction:

This is easy to refute – simply copy and paste quotations and links for the variation socialist luminaries of the left calling for CONFISCATION and variations thereof.

Sorry about that.


32 posted on 02/09/2013 9:47:48 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: TLI

Whoa!

Where did you get that graphic?


33 posted on 02/09/2013 9:48:58 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Voice of Reason1
Where did you get that graphic?

Someone else posted it yesterday and I tried to run down the original source for a while but could not pin it down.

It is posted in a few places on Internet. The file name is theo4.jpg

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34 posted on 02/09/2013 10:16:43 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Voice of Reason1; MileHi; KC_Lion; Sir Napsalot; Sacajaweau
Where did you get that graphic?

Someone else posted it yesterday and I tried to run down the original source for a while but could not pin it down.

It is posted in a few places on Internet. The file name is theo4.jpg

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35 posted on 02/09/2013 10:17:24 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I question the accuracy of that FBI map

I am running a few searches later today to locate the original source.

As far as individual discrepancies, I don't doubt that could be some errors.

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36 posted on 02/09/2013 10:21:47 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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sfl


37 posted on 02/09/2013 11:36:31 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I agree that the gun-grabbing bunch knows that direct attacks on gun owners won’t get them anywhere, but I think they’re still 2 steps behind. Their basic problem is a LOT MORE people now own guns than did even 15 years ago, and there is virtually NOTHING they can do to those people that won’t result in a snap-back. Also, gun owners are much better educated, having been through Clinton’s “Assault Weapons” ban of the past.

We do need to get fighting, but we should not get depressed, these people know they’re getting their butts kicked and they are trying their best to get a few crumbs, at least at the federal level.

At the state level, with many states solid blue, it’s a tough fight for us. But those states, again, lose in the end. As an example, how can California, and New York (now) EVER hope to draw a gun-owning Texan (or Floridian) to move their for employment? Not going to happen, and they will pay, BIG TIME.


38 posted on 02/09/2013 1:18:06 PM PST by BobL
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To: Old Sarge
The crapola coming out of California is enough to petrify anyone.

Yep. California and New York. I'd like to think they'll overplay their hand and suffer a '94-era electoral backlash but the demographic changes in this country leave me less than optimistic with this scenario. Sad truth is outside of the ever-shrinking white male demographic, there's little love for assault rifles and high-cap magazines and an increasing support for the so-called "common sense" gun control measures that Obama and his liberals are pimping to the country.

39 posted on 02/09/2013 1:47:32 PM PST by Drew68
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