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Not a Big Fan of the Old Man, but Warming-Up to Rand Paul QUICK...
Reaganite Republican ^ | 13 February 2013 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 02/13/2013 2:13:30 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

'What America needs is not Robin Hood, but Adam Smith'

Ever since Sen Paul clearly distanced himself from his dad's wackadoodle foreign policy, I've been starting to think this guy's
closer to my own views than what I've been seeing and hearing from Ryan or Rubio -or anybody else- lately:

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After enduring the latest Five Year Plan from Dear Leader, we were last night offered enlightened responses from Sen Marco Rubio (for the Republicans) and fellow GOP Senator Dr Rand Paul, who brought a comprehensive indictment of the Obama fiscal-death-spiral (along with a bright, Reaganite alternative vision) delivered specifically on behalf of the TEA Party.

Rubio is a gifted communicator, but it was Rand Paul's message that stole the show imo...

Video/more at Reaganite Republican

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1 posted on 02/13/2013 2:13:39 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

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2 posted on 02/13/2013 2:17:15 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I’ve been thinking that about Rand Paul myself! He’s been good in Senate Committee hearings too.


3 posted on 02/13/2013 2:32:24 AM PST by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Kay Ludlow

I am VERY pleasantly surprised... very reasonable, principled, and politically skilled imho


4 posted on 02/13/2013 2:38:22 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
Senator Paul has not shown that he is willing to challenge the welfare state in anything but the same general language that all politicians use - "Our course is unsustainable," "We must change our ways," etc. As for specifics:

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to entitlements in his speech.

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to Social Security in his speech.

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to Medicare in his speech.

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to Medicaid in his speech.

Mr. Paul is a nice man, but he is obviously not prepared to take on senior entitlement programs because he is afraid to say or do anything unpopular. He is no worse, but no better than all of the other Washington politicians who will not risk their cushy jobs to tackle our real problems.

So, what chance is there that there will be any cuts to entitlement programs (all of which are unconstitutional) when no one has the guts to call for cuts?

5 posted on 02/13/2013 2:45:48 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

Also....RP basically endorsed Rubio’s Amnesty plans.

Has anyone actually read what RP said? Are we just too busy cheerleading instead of standing up for our values?


6 posted on 02/13/2013 3:03:10 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Tau Food

Regarding specific cuts ... look to the Senator Paul’s budget proposal.

It has been characterized as reducing “the average” SS benefit by 40 percent. What it does is preserve the earned benefits of those who paid in, not only by making SS solvent forever, but also by balancing the budget of the entity that “backs” SS.

It returns health insurance either to the private sector (for those who should pay for their own insurance) or to the states (for the poor).

It shuts down several departments of the federal government, returning their functions to the private-sector or to the states.

It lowers tax rates, closes loopholes, and otherwise simplifies the federal income tax structure.

Since we will all pay the same rate on income above the poverty level, we will have tax fairness among those of us of today; and, because the budget is balanced, we will have tax fairness between those of us of today and those who will succeed us.

Rand Paul has indicated a willingness to compromise, but compromise with whom? The other side doesn’t have a starting point.

Clearly, we cannot pass Sen. Paul’s budget this year. But, with the elections of 2014 and 2016, we may be able to pass something like it in the future, perhaps a compromise between it and Congressman Ryan’s budget.


7 posted on 02/13/2013 3:43:36 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Reaganite Republican

What Ryan and Rubio are lacking is fire in the belly. Without it, no Republican will win. I like Rand Paul and am hoping that he can start to raise his voice and go on the attack.


8 posted on 02/13/2013 3:43:54 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: AdaGray
What Ryan and Rubio are lacking is fire in the belly. Without it, no Republican will win. I like Rand Paul and am hoping that he can start to raise his voice and go on the attack.

Agree completely. The only concern I have, which has been raised here, is that he's weak on immigration. I'm waiting to hear more.

But we have to unite behind a single candidate early.

9 posted on 02/13/2013 3:55:21 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Reaganite Republican

Didn’t watch any of the 3.

Did catch about one minute of Rubio. He looked like he was giving hand signals, left hand rubbed brow, right hand rubbed temple. Looked like he was swatting flies or something. He seemed nervous and flubbed some of his delivery. Later, I saw the thread of him reaching for the water bottle.

I remember the delivery criticism Jingal got a few years ago when he was the official responded. I expect the morning ‘news’ [a.k.a., propaganda] venues will be skewering Rubio this morning.

Rubio was ‘hoping’ Obama would take the Pubbies’ budget advice. Amnesty Rubio wants to ensure ‘securing the border’ with a new law. [Either Rubio is naive or he is in on the ole shellgame — if ‘securing the borders’ is his first goal regarding illegals, that can be done with EXISTING laws. Wny should Obama take the pubbie budget advice? He won.]

CSPAN made reference to Paul’s response and said they would show it later. It is probably online.

According to an early yahoo.com poll yesterday, some 76% of responders indicated they would not tune in The One’s spiel. [I included myself in that group.]


10 posted on 02/13/2013 4:26:28 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Reaganite Republican
I've been starting to think this guy's closer to my own views than what I've been seeing and hearing from Ryan or Rubio -or anybody else

He's the current front runner as far as my voting interests go for a 2016 Presidential candidate. Not even a close second at this point since I'm thinking Mark Levin isn't going to run.

11 posted on 02/13/2013 4:31:09 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Tau Food

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to entitlements in his speech.

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to Social Security in his speech.

Mr. Paul does not call for any cuts to Medicare in his speech.


Paul endorsed the penney plan which can be applied to entitlements. Besides, what would you do with the money we have all paid into Social Security and Medicare all our lives—steal it for yourself?

Why don’t you run for office on that plan, see how it goes.


12 posted on 02/13/2013 4:34:26 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: IamConservative

He’s the current front runner as far as my voting interests go for a 2016 Presidential candidate. Not even a close second at this point since I’m thinking Mark Levin isn’t going to run.


The most you can hope for out of any talk show host is that they actually endorse someone during the primary season—other than that, look for more money-making books and iced tea.


13 posted on 02/13/2013 4:39:10 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: AdaGray

What Ryan and Rubio are lacking is fire in the belly. Without it, no Republican will win. I like Rand Paul and am hoping that he can start to raise his voice and go on the attack.


Fire in the belly? The thing Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Hitler all had, right?


14 posted on 02/13/2013 4:40:49 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: AdaGray

Ryan and Rubio are just the latest in cookie cutter moderate Republicans, not altogether much different from Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney. Rand Paul is his father’s son. And actually believes in the Constitution. Been a fan of the father for DECADES, and a fan of the son since I learned he lived here in Kentucky at least ten years ago. Flame away; I am accustomed to that on Free Republic.


15 posted on 02/13/2013 5:01:18 AM PST by RonPaulLives (I won't be a neo-pawn in the game.)
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To: PaleoBob; Tau Food; All

That is a good suggestion, but I think it is easy for some people here to be a keyboard politician or run campaign from a keyboard to actually do something.


16 posted on 02/13/2013 5:04:18 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Listening to him in the run up to the last national election, I was wishing like he*& that HE’D be our nominee!


17 posted on 02/13/2013 5:06:56 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; thouworm; Osage Orange; sickoflibs; ken5050; justiceseeker93; ...
Dr Rand Paul's response to the SOTU brought a comprehensive indictment of the Obama fiscal-death-spiral (along with a bright, Reaganite alternative vision)..... delivered specifically on behalf of the TEA Part---the message that stole the show......

For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed in America a chance to succeed based not on who your parents were, but on your own initiative, and desire to work. We're in danger, tho, of forgetting what made us great: the President seems to think the country can continue to borrow $50,000 every second... the President believes if we can just squeeze more money out of those that are working... I don't think it'll work.

The path we are on is not sustainable, but few in Congress -or in this Administration- seem to recongize that their actions are endangering the prosperity of this great nation...

Ronald Reagan said 'Government is not the answer to the problem, government is the problem': tonight, the President told the nation he disagrees- President Obama believes government is the solution, more taxes, more debt.

What the President fails to grasp is that the American system that rewards hard work is what made America so prosperous. What American needs is not Robin Hood, but Adam Smith: in the year we won our independence, Adam Smith described what creates the Wealth of Nations... he described a limited government that largely did not interfere with individuals in their pursuit of happiness.

All that we are -and all that we wish to be- is threatened by the notion that you can have 'something for nothing'... that you can have you cake and eat it too, that you can spend a TRILLION DOLLARS a year that you don't have...

Congress is debating the wrong things: every debate in Washington is about 'how much to increase spending' a little, or a lot- how much to increase taxes, a little, or a lot...

Few people understand that the sequester -it just slows the rate of growth. Even with the sequester -if it goes through- government will grow $7 TRILLION over the next decade... ONLY in Washington could an increase of $7T be called 'a cut'. Big Government is NOT your friend- Big Government gives you stuff- but keeps you poor.

Tonight I urge you to demand a new course: demand Washington change their ways, or they'll be sent home. We absolutely MUST pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution: the amendment must include strict spending and tax limitations. Liberals complain that the budget 'can't be balanced', but if we cut just ONE PENNY from each dollar we spend, the budget would be balanced in 6 or 7 years (!)

Video/more at Reaganite Republican

18 posted on 02/13/2013 5:09:31 AM PST by Liz
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To: Reaganite Republican; Liz
RE :” We absolutely MUST pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution: the amendment must include strict spending and tax limitations. Liberals complain that the budget ‘can't be balanced’, but if we cut just ONE PENNY from each dollar we spend, the budget would be balanced in 6 or 7 years (!) “

One penny?
I think the government spends about $3 trillion a year, half of it ~ $1.5T is borrowed(yearly deficit) To balance that it would have to cut that $1.5T in spending.

The sequester I thought cuts $100B billion this year (1/15 th of that yearly deficit), about half the cuts from defense, and you will hear screaming and wailing about that 1/15th assuming congress even lets it go.(its coming) In 18 months they couldnt find specific spending cuts to replace that $0.1T let alone $1.5.
(are these numbers accurate??)

Rubio called for the balanced budget last night too, the two should get together and produce a budget that is balanced. You know why they wont do that.

No amendment like that will ever be passed into law. But all hell would break loose if they even wrote a budget to do it.

19 posted on 02/13/2013 5:31:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Nobody is listening and parsing his words. He is only saying what needs to be said
until it's "his turn" to wield the power the Republicans allow the Democrats to
take away from Citizens. He is part of the problem, not the solution, and he has his place.
And his place is not leader of the free world.
20 posted on 02/13/2013 5:46:47 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: AdaGray

“What Ryan and Rubio are lacking is fire in the belly”
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*BINGO*


21 posted on 02/13/2013 6:24:38 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican; Liz; All
Kindly permit me a somewhat off-topic critique of Paul:

Paul and other Republicans MUST learn to be more media-savvy, and that includes recognizing the obvious: that the MSM is not our friend.

Yesterday, before the SOTU, Paul went on CNN, with Candy Crowley.. 8 minute video here

Instead of discussing the important issues facing the country, and Obama's failed policies, Crowley attempted to draw Paul into a criticism of Rubio, and suggested that the GOP is fragmented. She then pivoted to the crucial question of will Mitch McConnell get primaried by a Tea Party candidate, and then, if Mitch manages to win his primary, can he beat Ashley Judd?

I mean, come on..oh please...Candy Crowley...Rand, are you kidding?..Remember, she's the one who went into the tank for Obama DURING the presidential debate.

I'm not picking on the good doctor. I like his policies, and what he stands for. But if we're gonna win, we have to get a lot smarter about it. First, why CNN? They have NO ratings. Who the hell watches that blimpette during the daytime anyways? Why not do it on FOX?..Cavuto would have been perfect.

And once she started asking him about a possible "schism" with Rubio, he should have just cut her off...something like, "Candy, are you serious? I came on the air with you to talk about the big problems that America faces, everything that Obama is doing wrong, and THIS is what you ask?"

Have we already forgotten how far in the tank the MSM was for Obama just a few months ago, how they have covered up Benghazi, and "Fast & Furious." ( when 's the last time you read anything about THAT?)

Wake up, GOP!!

22 posted on 02/13/2013 6:25:49 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050
Excellent analysis.......

Have we already forgotten how far in the tank the MSM is for Obama, how they have covered up Benghazi, and "Fast & Furious." (when's the last time you read anything about THAT?).

And howzabout the MSM covering up for O's point man on amnesty---Sen Menendez---who diddled little girls in the Dominican Republic---and harbored an illegal who was a registered sex offender in his office----whose arrest O's DOJ kiboshed to prevent a Menendez relection kerfluffle.

23 posted on 02/13/2013 6:47:11 AM PST by Liz
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To: PaleoBob

What about Bachmann? No?


24 posted on 02/13/2013 7:14:54 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: ken5050

Agreed with all, and we definitely need to know what we’re dealing with in the MSM, BUT Fox is a problem too

They -and esp Hannity- are in bed with the Gee Oh Pee old guard, and allied in efforts directed AGAINST the TEA Party.

Fox, Boehner, McConnel, and Karl Rove have basically declared war on the TP, and Rand Paul has to take coverage where he can get it perhaps- might not be particularly welcome on Fox right now


25 posted on 02/13/2013 8:50:55 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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26 posted on 02/13/2013 5:52:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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