Skip to comments.SHOCK REPORT — Veterans Receive Letters From VA Prohibiting Ownership or Purchase of Firearms
Posted on 02/22/2013 8:08:18 AM PST by illiac
This must be Barack Obamas way of thanking our veterans for serving. US veterans are receiving letters from the government informing them that they are disabled and not allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. If the veteran does decide to purchase a firearm he will by fined, imprisoned or both. This comes on page 2 of the VA letter.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
Short rope + long drop!
Ping .for later.
Good question...will be working on this all day...
ping me please if you come up with something...
The original article isn't much better:
"The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors."
Oddly enough, I have 25 years in, and haven't been judged mentally incompetent. If the VA doctors have reason to tell the VA that you aren't capable of handling your money, then maybe you are NOT competent to handle guns.
This is the best picture I could get:
I’m withholding judgment until I hear from a FReeper who’s received one of these letters.
So decisions must be made - accept government benefits and become a slave or forgo those benefits and live as a free man. The choice is yours
Appears to have come from a K. Kalama from the Veterans Service Center Manager and cc:’d to the Oregon Dept of Veterans Affairs...can be found here:
It’s applies to those judged “mentally incompetant” by the VA. Ex.: the Marine PTSD TX range shooter. This should help to prevent lots of Vet suicides.
I understand to whom it applies. The problem is the slippery slope of the definition of “mentally incompetant”
I think I would trust a PTSD veteran over Boama’s “Citizen Soldiers”
I would certainly like to see what the “information” the VA has received and by whom.
Draconian legislation in NY and CT states (and others) and huge push from all areas of the Federal Gov.
Are we edging closer than we thought just a few short years ago?
My definition is anyone who registers as a democrat.
Since I am vet with PTSD then I will get one of them letters. This admin must really be scared of us crazy vets. By the way I am still going to have a weapon. I went through one tyrannical government and did not own a weapon to defend my family with I will not do so again.
DOJ says:Section 922(g)(4), Title 18, United States Code, prohibits the receipt or possession of firearms by an individual who has been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution." Regulations issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, define these terms as follows:
Adjudicated as a mental defective.
(1) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
* Is a danger to himself or to others; or
* Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(2) The term shall include
* A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
* Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. 850a, 876b.
I would agree for a finding of insanity in a criminal case, and for incompetent to stand trial. I would not consider any casual letter from a VA blogger or "Veterans Service Center Manager" to be a determination by a lawful authority, certainly not without a formal, in-person hearing. I would toss that junk mail and truthfully answer that I had never been "adjudicated mentally defective". The petty tyrants in Obama's regime can go . . . never mind, they are already certain to go there.
Or this went out to some truly disabled vets.
The only detailed case I saw do far was for a vet with Dimesia.
It seems that I’ve had dealings with “Redflagnews” before, and IIRC came away with the impression that they make Alex Jones and George Noori look extremely credible by comparison.
I’m not going to get too cranked up about this until I hear about it from a source I trust... or get my disarmament order from the VA.
If I do, you’ll be among the first to know about it.
Sad to say, it really wouldn’t surprise me any if it is true.
I suspect the VA has access to VA health records. The main point of this letter is to say that they believe the person receiving it isn’t competent to manage their finances and needs someone else to spend the money on their behalf. And a judgment of mentally incompetent by the VA still allows an appeal to the courts.
None of this should be a surprise to anyone who has glanced up from their Starbuck’s el Grande Latte every few seconds.
Having obtained a second term, Obama will push every left-wing pipe dream the left has been fantasizing about for the last 50 years.
We are all headed for a high speed head-on crash with the proverbial brick wall.
Veterans coming back from Iraq or Afghanistan are sometimes told that they can get extra government benefits if they have mental problems. Some of those mental problems do NOT keep a person from owning a gun, but some do. My son-in-law was a Marine, and has 100% disability for various back, leg and shoulder injuries - and brain damage. However, the brain damage he suffered is the sort that affects short term memory, and so he is still fully legal to own and use guns. Just don’t ask him which gun he shot at the range 24 hours later, or he may have forgotten...
I go in to the VA once a year for a physical. And they wonder why I skip the “mental health” evaluation portion. Pretty soon, just doing that will probably generate an automatic letter and an “appointment” to see if I am “competent” enough to manage my own affairs.
This will dissuade veterans from seeking treatment for PTSD, depression, etc. Thanks, Obama. You ungrateful twit.
That ship sailed for me three years ago. I no longer “talk about things” with any “mental health professional” at the VA.
Simply suffering from PTSD does NOT make one incompetent or dangerous.
From some of the comments I’ve read about this issue, the problem arises when a vet is deemed unable to handle their own finances. Now, whether they can or can’t actually do so, also seems to be an issue. Either way, if the VA determines you must have someone else handling your affairs, I believe you are then put on the NICS list as being incapable to buy guns. Since 2007, I believe, they now have to allow a vet the ability to petition this statement of incompetence.
God bless your son, and I thank him for his service.
I drink coffee the old-fashioned way (don't like the clientele at coffee shops, esp. Starbucks).
But I am amazed at the speed it is all coming at now - we will not make it to the 2016 elections (maybe not even the 2014 mid-terms).
This will not end pretty.
Please let us know if you get one of these letters.
Limited access to guns will not prevent a suicidal person from going through with it.
I’ve been around a couple of public suicides this year:
One guy jumped off a bridge, the other stepped into the fast lane on Interstate 4 late at night.
Except for the ones that blew up in Oklahoma that time. (When Clinton was POTUS)
Yes, I will do that.
Unless I received a court order from an actual court with an actual judge, I would ignore it. Let the VA go pound sand...
When they start coming after guys like you, they’ll have to lock me up!
Please reefer to 38 C.F.R. § 3.353 Determinations of incompetency and competency. The procedure for determinations of incompetency has been a part of veterans law for many years (before Oboma was born) and is intended to protect severely impaired veterans from being taken advantage of. Yes, there are veterans who are not able to fend for themselves and there are people who will abuse them. This procedure is rarely necessary but in some cases it is a lifesaver.
Some Freeper answer this question for me.
Obama is the Commander in Chief.
US military bases are under federal jurisdiction.
Post and base exchanges have gun stores in them.
Why doesn’t he order them (the gun stores) shut down immediately?
A critical detail is *who* does the judging. In this case, a VA bureaucrat, not a doctor or judge, decides that the veterans are incompetent. What criteria they use are appalling.
(Dec-03-12) “Over the past several years, four unsuccessful attempts have been made to turn the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act into law. Last week, one of its 21 co-sponsors in the Senate, Republican Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, tried to attach it as amendment to the defense appropriations bill. It momentarily “threatened to become the biggest sticking point” in getting that $631 billion bill passed. It appears Coburn will give up that effort, but seek to add the amendment to some other bill.
“At issue is whether a veteran who has been found unable to handle his or her FINANCIAL AFFAIRS should have the right to own a gun.
“The Department of Veterans Affairs frequently assigns someone else, often a family member, to handle a veteran’s finances, including his or her government pension and benefits.
“This triggers a report to the FBIs National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) that the veteran is “incapacitated.” Under the law, any such person, veteran or not, is barred from buying or owning guns. The law also applies to family members living under the same roof.”
Don’t worry Vets, I bought enough to hand out when needed.
That would be Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, AKA Barry Soweto, AKA POTUS. I'd give you a date of birth to help you determine exactly with whom you may be dealing, but the accounts of his birth seem to be unsupported by accurate birth records.
Letter can be found here:
I am curious about this as well...
Ya know I beleive the this all started when they first started pulling cars over for just having veterens stickers on cars, remember that? Remember Katrina when they used the National Guard to confiscate guns in New Orleans? These people in this government are purely evil.
“Simply suffering from PTSD does NOT make one incompetent or dangerous.”
I’d like to believe that.
Although I have never been diagnosed with PTSD for several years after returning from Iraq I would have panic attacks whenever I became lost or disoriented while driving -even with a GPS. I would classify my driving at those times as both incompetent and dangerous.
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