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SHOCK REPORT Veterans Receive Letters From VA Prohibiting Ownership or Purchase of Firearms
Gateway Pundit ^ | 2/22/13 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/22/2013 8:08:18 AM PST by illiac

This must be Barack Obama’s way of thanking our veterans for serving. US veterans are receiving letters from the government informing them that they are disabled and not allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. If the veteran does decide to purchase a firearm he will by fined, imprisoned or both. This comes on page 2 of the VA letter.

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zero's way of saying thanks to our vets....
1 posted on 02/22/2013 8:08:22 AM PST by illiac
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To: illiac
Who is the top dog that issued this Unconstitutional demand?

Short rope + long drop!

2 posted on 02/22/2013 8:11:49 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: illiac

Ping .for later.


3 posted on 02/22/2013 8:13:28 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Good question...will be working on this all day...


4 posted on 02/22/2013 8:14:17 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: illiac

ping

pong


5 posted on 02/22/2013 8:15:08 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: illiac

ping me please if you come up with something...


6 posted on 02/22/2013 8:15:27 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: illiac
If someone is judged mentally incompetent, do you WANT them to have guns?

The original article isn't much better:

http://redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition

It argues:

"The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors."

Oddly enough, I have 25 years in, and haven't been judged mentally incompetent. If the VA doctors have reason to tell the VA that you aren't capable of handling your money, then maybe you are NOT competent to handle guns.

This is the best picture I could get:


7 posted on 02/22/2013 8:19:25 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: illiac

I’m withholding judgment until I hear from a FReeper who’s received one of these letters.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 8:20:09 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: illiac

So decisions must be made - accept government benefits and become a slave or forgo those benefits and live as a free man. The choice is yours


9 posted on 02/22/2013 8:20:17 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: illiac
You can't own a gun if you are a criminal..... To Obamanites we all are criminals... We won't take your right to own guns away... We'll just make it impossible to keep them...King Obama  photo disa.jpg
10 posted on 02/22/2013 8:20:49 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: corlorde

Appears to have come from a K. Kalama from the Veterans Service Center Manager and cc:’d to the Oregon Dept of Veterans Affairs...can be found here:

http://redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition


11 posted on 02/22/2013 8:24:57 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: slumber1

It’s applies to those judged “mentally incompetant” by the VA. Ex.: the Marine PTSD TX range shooter. This should help to prevent lots of Vet suicides.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 8:26:18 AM PST by Justa
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I understand to whom it applies. The problem is the slippery slope of the definition of “mentally incompetant”


13 posted on 02/22/2013 8:32:17 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Justa
It’s applies to those judged “mentally incompetant” by the VA. Ex.: the Marine PTSD TX range shooter. This should help to prevent lots of Vet suicide.

I think I would trust a PTSD veteran over Boama’s “Citizen Soldiers”

14 posted on 02/22/2013 8:35:50 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: illiac

I would certainly like to see what the “information” the VA has received and by whom.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 8:38:36 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: illiac
We know a lot of this (all-types of gun control initiatives) has been percolating for awhile - bit really seems it is coming "fast and furious" from all directions all of a sudden.

Draconian legislation in NY and CT states (and others) and huge push from all areas of the Federal Gov.

Are we edging closer than we thought just a few short years ago?

16 posted on 02/22/2013 8:41:58 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: slumber1

“mentally incompetant”

My definition is anyone who registers as a democrat.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 8:44:25 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: illiac

Since I am vet with PTSD then I will get one of them letters. This admin must really be scared of us crazy vets. By the way I am still going to have a weapon. I went through one tyrannical government and did not own a weapon to defend my family with I will not do so again.


18 posted on 02/22/2013 8:51:07 AM PST by Americanexpat
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Form 4473, question 12.f: "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"

DOJ says:Section 922(g)(4), Title 18, United States Code, prohibits the receipt or possession of firearms by an individual who has been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution." Regulations issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, define these terms as follows:

Adjudicated as a mental defective.

(1) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:

* Is a danger to himself or to others; or
* Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.

(2) The term shall include —

* A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
* Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. 850a, 876b.


I would agree for a finding of insanity in a criminal case, and for incompetent to stand trial. I would not consider any casual letter from a VA blogger or "Veterans Service Center Manager" to be a determination by a lawful authority, certainly not without a formal, in-person hearing. I would toss that junk mail and truthfully answer that I had never been "adjudicated mentally defective". The petty tyrants in Obama's regime can go . . . never mind, they are already certain to go there.

19 posted on 02/22/2013 8:54:56 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Americanexpat

Or this went out to some truly disabled vets.

The only detailed case I saw do far was for a vet with Dimesia.


20 posted on 02/22/2013 8:56:45 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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