zero's way of saying thanks to our vets....
posted on 02/22/2013 8:08:22 AM PST
Who is the top dog that issued this Unconstitutional demand?
Short rope + long drop!
posted on 02/22/2013 8:11:49 AM PST
("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
posted on 02/22/2013 8:13:28 AM PST
(...Was that okay?)
posted on 02/22/2013 8:15:08 AM PST
(Looting the future to bribe the present)
If someone is judged mentally incompetent, do you WANT them to have guns?
The original article isn't much better:
"The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors."
Oddly enough, I have 25 years in, and haven't been judged mentally incompetent. If the VA doctors have reason to tell the VA that you aren't capable of handling your money, then maybe you are NOT competent to handle guns.
This is the best picture I could get:
posted on 02/22/2013 8:19:25 AM PST
by Mr Rogers
(America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
I’m withholding judgment until I hear from a FReeper who’s received one of these letters.
posted on 02/22/2013 8:20:09 AM PST
("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
So decisions must be made - accept government benefits and become a slave or forgo those benefits and live as a free man. The choice is yours
posted on 02/22/2013 8:20:17 AM PST
(Don't taze me bro!)
You can't own a gun if you are a criminal..... To Obamanites we all are criminals... We won't take your right to own guns away... We'll just make it impossible to keep them...King Obama
We know a lot of this (all-types of gun control initiatives) has been percolating for awhile - bit really seems it is coming "fast and furious" from all directions all of a sudden.
Draconian legislation in NY and CT states (and others) and huge push from all areas of the Federal Gov.
Are we edging closer than we thought just a few short years ago?
posted on 02/22/2013 8:41:58 AM PST
by Psalm 73
("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
Since I am vet with PTSD then I will get one of them letters. This admin must really be scared of us crazy vets. By the way I am still going to have a weapon. I went through one tyrannical government and did not own a weapon to defend my family with I will not do so again.
Form 4473, question 12.f: "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"
DOJ says:Section 922(g)(4), Title 18, United States Code, prohibits the receipt or possession of firearms by an individual who has been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution." Regulations issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, define these terms as follows:
Adjudicated as a mental defective.
(1) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
* Is a danger to himself or to others; or
* Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(2) The term shall include
* A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
* Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. 850a, 876b.
I would agree for a finding of insanity in a criminal case, and for incompetent to stand trial. I would not consider any casual letter from a VA blogger or "Veterans Service Center Manager" to be a determination by a lawful authority, certainly not without a formal, in-person hearing. I would toss that junk mail and truthfully answer that I had never been "adjudicated mentally defective". The petty tyrants in Obama's regime can go . . . never mind, they are already certain to go there.
I don't think there has to be a finding of "mentally incompetent", rather the VA decides the person is "incompetent to handle his affairs" (financial stuff). The VA can assign someone else to handle your "affairs", then deny you the ability to pass the NICS. Tom Coburn tried to get this changed last winter by adding to the defense appropriation bill (I think), but was unable to get it done.
Read about NICS, here BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE NICS IMPROVEMENT AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2007 AND ANSWERS TO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
.....No. The NICS Act does not change the prohibition enacted in 1968 that bars people who are dangerously mentally ill from purchasing or possessing a gun. Under federal law, people may not buy or possess a gun if they are adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to any mental institution. ATF regulations define adjudicated as a mental defective as a:
determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself or others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
This has been around for some time. Now, how long have the VA bureaucrts been doing this?....... I've seen numbers of 127,000 designations since 1998.
posted on 02/22/2013 8:59:28 AM PST
Unless I received a court order from an actual court with an actual judge, I would ignore it. Let the VA go pound sand...
posted on 02/22/2013 9:57:57 AM PST
I read your post, then I went to the site. I had to download the pictures from “RED FLAG” then zoom in to read it...... I don't think you have read the letters from the VA sighted here. The letter seems to state that for what ever reason the recipent of the VA benefits cannot manage the payments them self and a “fiduciary” is to handle the payment. If you cannot handle your own money because of a handicap, how is that person to handle their firearms? or their car for that matter? I all of us vets should keep an eye on this, but it seems that the vet in this letter has bigger issues to worry about that 2nd amendment rights.
posted on 02/22/2013 10:09:29 AM PST
posted on 02/22/2013 10:41:44 AM PST
by Red Badger
(Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
Please reefer to 38 C.F.R. § 3.353 Determinations of incompetency and competency. The procedure for determinations of incompetency has been a part of veterans law for many years (before Oboma was born) and is intended to protect severely impaired veterans from being taken advantage of. Yes, there are veterans who are not able to fend for themselves and there are people who will abuse them. This procedure is rarely necessary but in some cases it is a lifesaver.
posted on 02/22/2013 10:43:07 AM PST
Some Freeper answer this question for me.
Obama is the Commander in Chief.
US military bases are under federal jurisdiction.
Post and base exchanges have gun stores in them.
Why doesn’t he order them (the gun stores) shut down immediately?
Don’t worry Vets, I bought enough to hand out when needed.
posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:33 PM PST
by Boiling point
(Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
Unless a copy of that letter is posted, I am ignoring this entire thread.
Sounds like disinformation to me, with the sole purpose of triggering the PTSS whacko veterans.
posted on 02/22/2013 2:05:38 PM PST
(Look for the Unin label, then buy something else.)
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