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Lawmakers "accidentally" legalize warrantless invasion of gun owner's homes
Coach is Right ^ | 2/22/13 | Doug Book

Posted on 02/22/2013 10:21:02 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill permitting police to invade private homes for the purpose of confiscating “illegal” guns and accessories, such as magazines which hold over 10 rounds. (1)

According to Senate Bill 5737, introduced on February 13th by Democrat State Senators Murray, Kohl-Welles and Kline, no one may possess an “assault weapon” or the combination of a semi-automatic pistol or rifle capable of using a detachable magazine AND any magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammo.

Happily, however, you ARE allowed to possess an UNLOADED assault weapon “…for the purpose of permanently relinquishing it to a law enforcement agency of the state.” (1 P6)

Naturally, the statute would NOT apply to police...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; secondamendment; washington

1 posted on 02/22/2013 10:21:13 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

This is what they’re going to continue trying, folks. All it will take is one oversight on the part of a representative or a media toad, one of these laws gets implemented, et voila! Instant criminal.

They did something similar with the Patient Unaffordable Death Act (You have to pass it to find out what’s in it, right Nan?).


2 posted on 02/22/2013 10:27:05 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
One report I heard was that they had not read the bill so they never saw the “error”. So my question is who gave them the bill for them to pass? Who is writing all these laws for the demoRats to pass?
3 posted on 02/22/2013 10:29:40 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Uh, how would the sheriff know which houses to “inspect” annually? Does washington state have weapons registration? Which will, of course, stop all criminal activity. At least that is what the radical left wing extremist liberal demokkkrat scumbags claim. Still waiting for them to explain how any of this crap will reduce/hinder/stop criminal activity. Crickets!


4 posted on 02/22/2013 10:39:30 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: rktman

All it will take is a whisper from someone who claims he/she saw a twenty round magazine in your house...And there goes the family dogs and maybe some of the human inhabitants of the house...


5 posted on 02/22/2013 10:42:54 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Oldpuppymax
How would they know who has what type of guns?
There is no national gun registry.

Sure, there may be records of what you buy, but private citizens are not required to keep paper work for guns they may sell or trade - which is, coincidentally, what I did with all of mine - traded them for a table saw - to some guy I met at Dunkin Donuts. Guns are bad - table saws are good.

6 posted on 02/22/2013 10:45:02 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

They’ll force a registry the same way they did with fully autos. Bascially make it a federal crime unless you have the tax stamp by X date and no way to register something past X date.

Over a generation the full autos have dried up considerably.


7 posted on 02/22/2013 10:48:19 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I doubt if it was an error or accident. They will just say “oh well” and let it stand.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 10:52:50 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Over a generation the full autos have dried up considerably.

Full Autos have been a better investment than anything else you could have bought in 1986.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 10:55:14 AM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: mountainlion

> Who is writing all these laws for the demoRats to pass?
Soros comes to mind.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 10:55:14 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Guns should not be illegal; they should be undocumented.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

With a bit of luck, someone snuck that in there with the intention of getting the entire law tossed out on Constitutional grounds.

Seriously, the Rats are getting desperate. Obama is even recruiting peasant victims to exploit for support of gun laws. I nearly fell over when he blamed an inanimate object for causing violence during the SOTU address. To pimp out victims while ignoring the real perpetrator is beyond twisted and he should catch way more hell for doing so.

In the end, they have to blame the gun. Most of these crimes are committed by his supporters and the poverty slaves his part keeps in chains. How dare he attack is own.


11 posted on 02/22/2013 10:55:43 AM PST by drunknsage
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To: Iscool

yup. My sister wanted to take a picture of my uh.........collection and I told her NO. For sure would have been posted on her facebook page. Sadly, they were lost when Mt. St. Helens erupted. It was a delayed reaction of course.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 10:58:21 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill permitting police to invade private homes for the purpose of confiscating “illegal” guns and accessories . . .

Accidently my arse. They knew that was written into the bill.

13 posted on 02/22/2013 10:58:24 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Psalm 73
How would they know who has what type of guns?
There is no national gun registry.

Your children will tell their teachers. Your friends, ex-wives and neighbors will cash in on those "Report an illegal gun, earn $1000" anonymous tip lines.

14 posted on 02/22/2013 10:58:37 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Lawmakers in Washington State have accidentally written a bill...”

Accident, my arsenic. Just like all those dog shootings were just accidents.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 11:03:54 AM PST by k4gypsyrose
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To: Psalm 73

I thought you lost them on a camping trip?


16 posted on 02/22/2013 11:07:10 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Drew68

Your doctor will ask via Obama-care and Executive order.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 11:11:08 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Drew68
"Your children will tell their teachers."

We homeschool with other families that no longer have guns. And we don't talk about what we may or may not have in the way of firearms, or how we may or may not be preparing for - something.

Initially, Op-Sec sounded paranoid - but my wife and daughter have bought into the idea, as have others we may or may not be in contact with....

18 posted on 02/22/2013 11:20:49 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73
Sure, there may be records of what you buy, but private citizens are not required to keep paper work for guns they may sell or trade - which is, coincidentally, what I did with all of mine - traded them for a table saw - to some guy I met at Dunkin Donuts.

Not nationally, but in some states (like here in CA) that would make you a felon, and inellegible to ever own a gun again. Here you would have to go to a licensed dealer and file a state transfer for each gun (about $75 per). I suspect WA may have a similar law.

19 posted on 02/22/2013 11:28:23 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: mountainlion
1	Any assault weapon relinquished pursuant to this subsection shall be
2	destroyed;
3		(b)		The transfer of any assault weapon by a licensed manufacture
4	or dealer to a law enforcement agency in this state for use by that
5	agency or its employees for law enforcement purposes;
6		(c)		The possession of an assault weapon that was legally possessed
7	on the effective date of this section, but only if the person legally
8	possessing the assault weapon has complied with all of the requirements
9	of subsection (5) of this section;
10		(d)		The possession of an assault weapon that has been permanently 
11	disabled so that it is incapable of discharging a projectile.
12		(4)		Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to any person:
13		(a)		while lawfully engaged in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully
14	operated shooting range;
15		(b)		While lawfully participating in a sporting events officially
16	sanctioned by a club or organization established in whole or in part
17	for the purpose of sponsoring sport shooting events.
18		(5)		In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was
19	legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person
20	possessing the assault weapon shall do all of following:
21		(a) 	Safely and securely store the assault weapon.   The sheriff of
22	the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to
23	ensure compliance with this subsection; [Emphasis Added by Stanwooddave]
24		(b)		Possess the assault weapon only on property owned or
25	immediately controlled by the person, or while engaged in the legal use
26	of the assault weapon at a duly licensed firing range, or while
27	traveling to or from either of these locations for the purpose of
28	engaging in the legal use of the assault weapon, provided that the
29	assault weapon is stored unloaded and in a separate locked container
30	during transport.
31		(6)		Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, any person
32	in this state who, after the effective date of this section, acquires
33	title to an assault weapon by inheritance, bequest, or succession,
34	shall, within thirty days of acquiring title, do one of the following:
35		(a)		Comply with all of the requirements of subsection (5) of this
36	section;
37		(b)		Dispose of the assault weapon pursuant to subsection (3) (a) of
38	this section; or

		p. 7    			SB   5737

	The under signed declares under penalty of perjury of the laws of the State of Washington,
and the laws of the United States of America 18 U.S.C. § 1621 &  § 1746
and The State of Washington “FALSE SWEARING” (R.C.W. 9A. 72.040),  that the above statement(s)/ content 
(Except Formatting) are true and correct to the best of Affiant’s knowledge,
Executed this 21st, day of February, 2013, at Stanwood, Washington.

SS//Stanwooddave

The same wording as was on bill SB 6396, Pg 7, of SB 6396, Line(s) 19 thru 21.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009‑10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6396.pdf

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Letter(s) to the Editor:

Senators have pursued this before

	I read Danny Westneat’s Feb. 16th column in The Seattle Times titled “Slip-up may slam doors on gun 
law,” [NWSunday, Feb. 17] and became quite concerned.

	There was no mistake in the bill (SB 5737), which was sponsored by Sens. Ed Murray, Jeanne Kohl-Welles and Kline.

	The column reads:
	“I spoke to two of the sponsors. One, Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, a lawyer who typically is
	hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues, said he did not know the bill authorized police searches because he
	had not read it closely before signing on.

	‘I made a mistake,’ Kline said. ‘I frankly should have vetted this more closely.’”

	In the 2010 legislative session, Kline was the primary sponsor of SB 6396.
[Link: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6396.pdf] This is virtually identical to the current bill he has attached himself to as a co-sponsor. It contains the exact same section calling for sheriff inspections of homes [Page 7, lines 19-21]. It was not inserted into this current bill from a staffer, as claimed in the column. It was there in the beginning. With two sponsors of identical bills in separate years we are lead to believe that they didn’t know the provision was in there. Come on, wake up and tell the truth. --Billy Don Card Jr., Wenatchee

///////////////////////////////////////////////////

Senator's Kline and Kohl-Welles sponsored SB 5475-2005 and 6396-2010; both bills would have permitted the local sheriff's to
perform unannounced inspections of resident’s homes without a warrant.

The same wording as was on bill SB 6396, Pg 7, of SB 6396, Line(s) 19 thru 21. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009

20 posted on 02/22/2013 11:38:20 AM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: BuffaloJack; mountainlion
> Who is writing all these laws for the demoRats to pass?

They learn to "write"-think in schools. By the time they make it to the legislature, bill writing like this is second nature.

21 posted on 02/22/2013 11:42:16 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It’ll make it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Happily, however, you ARE allowed to possess an UNLOADED assault weapon “…for the purpose of permanently relinquishing it to a law enforcement agency of the state.”

Well, MINE won't be UNLOADED, none of them. And I won't be handing them over to any goosestepping Government goon, period.

22 posted on 02/22/2013 11:45:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Oldpuppymax

i have heard this has been pulled. i also heard the idiot who sponsored it admitted not the readin the 8 pages. he said he proposed it “in the spirit” of its intent.
unfortunately we have our own set of dim idiot politicians, but i repeat myself, in the reichstag in kolorado.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 11:45:48 AM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“Over a generation the full autos have dried up considerably.”

Only the legal ones have ‘dried up’.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 11:45:48 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: mountainlion

Handgun Control, Inc., The Brady Campaign, The Gabby Giffords Campaign, you name it.....any frigging, money grubbing liberal you can find - or even some group that thinks they can make a buck off control implementation (consultation, oversight, etc.)....


25 posted on 02/22/2013 11:48:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Hugin
"....that would make you a felon...."

Soon we will all be felons anyways.
Like our brothers in NY state: "We will not comply".
If I could move to a Red state I would, but I can't right now - and appear to be just about out of time anyway. Then the whole country becomes a Blue state.

26 posted on 02/22/2013 11:50:42 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Hugin

Washington State does not currently have a law regulating private transfers — but a bill with those provisions (but without home inspections) could, unfortunately, become law. Friends and relatives, however, will ignore it.


27 posted on 02/22/2013 11:50:44 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: rarestia

they already did it nationally with the Lautenberg amendment making it illegal of anyone convicted of domestic violence (misdemeanor) to ever own a gun. No one will touch it now because they will be painted as women haters, and women will buy into it because it feels right, and the law is to protect them, whether constitutional or not.


28 posted on 02/22/2013 11:51:45 AM PST by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

in·fringe

[ in frínj ]

1.disobey or disregard something: to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement
2.encroach on somebody’s rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way

Synonyms: encroach on, intrude on, interfere with, impinge on, trespass, invade, overstep


29 posted on 02/22/2013 12:08:54 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: frogjerk

Will your doctor put you under oath before asking you about guns? If not, what penalty is there for lying about whether you have any?


30 posted on 02/22/2013 12:57:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Obama's arrogance is unchecked and in his recent imperial proclamation he actually acts like all doctors are now his minions stating that its OK to ask your patients about guns.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Basically, what does that say but to direct doctors to ask patients about guns in their homes? Its basically an order to do so with threats implied.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 1:05:18 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“The truth is, “it’s not a misstep, it’s the next step.”’

I have a good friend in Washington who I hope is fighting this.


32 posted on 02/22/2013 1:20:37 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: drunknsage

“With a bit of luck, someone snuck that in there with the intention of getting the entire law tossed out on Constitutional grounds.”

Nope. Just the Rats accidentally publishing an item on their wish list.


33 posted on 02/22/2013 1:26:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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