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Genocide is here ľ Obama care is a killing machine and millions will die
The Roth Show ^ | February 20, 2013 | Dr. Laurie Roth

Posted on 02/22/2013 10:43:52 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

This week I gasped in horror when I learned that Obama care had ordered Medicare to cut reimbursement for 4 million diabetic seniors by 66%. It also reduced all the companies that were supplying blood sugar monitoring supplies from 1000 to 15. I also learned via the research of Elizabeth Vliet M.D. that one of her 80 year old patients was told he was not covered anymore by Medicare when he went to the pharmacy so couldn’t get his medication. His choice was to pay cash or die.

Pause for a second and snap out of being mildly annoyed and grow a backbone and a few fangs over this. Just with Diabetic and Heart patients alone you are talking many millions of people, mostly seniors with coverage simply cut off or largely cut back — setting them up to die. That is unless they are millionaires and can afford expensive medication out of pocket. This is called as in the days of Nazi Germany, targeting a group of people for extermination and murdering them.

Millions will suffer and many will die just representing the pull back of coverage with Diabetic and Heart disease patients. Think about all the other diseases and seniors represented with dramatic or total cut backs by Medicare. Just as in Britain’s socialized medicine now, state-of-the-art drugs will be denied for all kinds of common cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and others.

Obama care is nothing more than a padded door to the ovens for the most needy and for our seniors...

(Excerpt) Read more at therothshow.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 0care; 0satan; deathpanels; diabetes; medicare; obama; obamacare; palin
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1 posted on 02/22/2013 10:43:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All true and republicans so absurd they allow old people to think democrats care for them.


2 posted on 02/22/2013 10:48:13 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is called as in the days of Nazi Germany, targeting a group of people for extermination and murdering them.

I don't disagree.

I'm in my 30s and have been taking thyroid medication for years for hypothyroidism. While my medication is not on the immediate list of "uninsured," as time goes on, it might. Or there might be shortages of it.

If I go without my medication for a month, my thyroid essentially stops functioning which eventually leads to coma and death. Yeah, I'm freaking thrilled for this garbage coming down the pipe.

3 posted on 02/22/2013 10:49:04 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Al Jolson used to say.

YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET.

Pretty soon the idiots who ove Obama will start getting bit by this Obamacare thing. The squealing will be loud and long as Grandma starts dying.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 10:54:27 AM PST by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At my last doctor’s visit I was told my next H1C test would be scheduled at six months rather than the three month rotation I have been following for years.
I’m 67, and yes, I believe it is a form of rationing already in place.
When United raised the co-pay for my oral medication last year my doctor quickly switched me to a medication I can purchase for $10 for a three month supply. Currently all of my medications cost a total of $22 per month. That includes two diabetes meds, two blood pressure meds, and simvastatin. All of my doctors are willing to do everything they can to find me the least expensive, yet effective drug, we have to do our part and let them know what we need. They aren’t mind readers.


5 posted on 02/22/2013 10:57:31 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Venturer

The plan is to have the seasoned citizens die before they can collect all the medicare and social security benefits and therefore balance the budget.

See it all works out, just pay all your money and die.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 10:57:31 AM PST by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The House must start impeachment! Now!!!!! On the basis that this pric! is a communists.


7 posted on 02/22/2013 11:00:00 AM PST by Logical me
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing that I have to point out here is that 104 is a normal blood glucose reading, not high. Certainly not pre-diabetic.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 11:01:00 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is there no one SCREAMING this from the rooftops? Will you wait to act only when YOU are affected? By then, it will be too late.

Sarah Palin was right all along with her description of death panels.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 11:02:00 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My husband (75) is on a medication that is supposed to be covered by his Medicare Advantage Plan — up to a certain $$$ annually. They have refused to reset the plan after the change to 2013. He’s off the meds until they get it straightened out because it changes the cost of the med from about $40 per mo. to $100 per mo.

He’s made 3 calls to the insurance company, and the pharmacy has made one. Every call the insurance company says they will fix it, and every time he goes to the pharmacy, it’s not fixed.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 11:03:18 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Lets Roll NOW

This is just one of the reasons Obama and his running dog lackeys want to disarm the elderly.


11 posted on 02/22/2013 11:04:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is probably the most frightening aspect of the National Socialism policies of Obamacare but the real damage will be in the hidden losses of drugs and treatments that are not discovered or developed. Obama has singlehandedly destroyed medical research in this country. All the large pharma companies are closing R&D sites here and are building in China. I have 15 years of experience in nonclinical and preclincal research and have been applying for vet tech jobs making a third of what I was making before. Research is just not happening and people will die for lack of treatment because that treatment was not developed because nobody would spend the half billion it would take to develop that tx because it is extremely unlikely the government health service will allow those costs to be recovered.
12 posted on 02/22/2013 11:04:36 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Marie

I’m a diabetic who can’t get it under control. I might try her tea the next time I have a few extra dollars.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 11:07:10 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well yes, old people will die. But since they are dead, they either won’t vote, or they will vote democrat, so the liberals don’t really have to be concerned about that.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 11:21:27 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have you tried Bernstein?

http://www.drbdiet.com/

The book is huge, but packed full of information about T-1 and T-2.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 11:25:04 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Lets Roll NOW

I am pretty sure Obamacare will cut the average lifespan for Americans.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 11:27:26 AM PST by Venturer
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To: rarestia

This morning before I even saw this I started searching the web to try to find alternative therapies for diabetes, so as to be prepared when the SHTF economically. Not sure how to know who really knows what they’re talking about but with doctors being spies for Big Brother, and with Big Brother working to collapse the economy while preparing and arming the government to fire on Americans (and have the coffins to bury them in afterwards).... I think diabetics are going to have to start weaning themselves off of medicines as best they can, in order to survive when the SHTF.

My endocrinologist was a Christian from Syria. He decided to go back to be with his family in December, right before Obamacare was supposed to hit. Several years ago he encouraged me to not worry so much about America because it’s all “just politics”. I wonder if he would say the same thing to me today if we saw each other again.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 11:27:51 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have reached the logical endpoint of government-controlled healthcare. Barry Goldwater said in 1964: ““Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”

Good thing we didn’t, or we’d be rationing food, housing, vacations, cigarettes, and beer.


18 posted on 02/22/2013 11:29:48 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not surprised by this. In order to finance Obamacare the authors of Obamacare tapped into Medicare to pay for the new healthcare law. Due to Obamacare Medicare will be cut by $45 billion, on average, every year for the next decade.

Here’s how DC Plans to Fund ObamaCare (2010-2019):

Spending Cuts:

Medicare Payment Rate Cuts $196 billion
Medicare Advantage Cuts $136 billion
Other Medicare/Medicaid Cuts $123 billion

New Taxes and Fees

Hospital Insurance/Unearned Income Tax $210 billion
Fees on Insurers & Drug Companies $107 billion
Individual & Employer Penalty $ 65 billion
Excise tax on “Cadillac” Plans $ 32 billion

All Other Revenue Sources

Other Revenue Provisions $108 billion
Reinsurance & Risk Adjustment $106 billion
Community Assisted Living $ 70 billion
Posiotive Effects on Revenue $ 46 billion
Education Cuts $ 19 billion

Also the article does not state if the 80 yr old falls into the Medicare Gap coverage aka “donut Hole”. Prior to Obamacare the drug coverage would be:

Drug Spending before ObamaCare:

$0 to $2,800 you pay 25% Medicare pays 75%
$2,800 to $6,400 “Donut hole” you pay 100%
Above $6,400 you pay 5% Meidcare pays 95%

With ObamaCare:

2010 yr. you pay 100% but get $250 rebate
2011 yr. you pay 50%
Drug discounted the 50% remaining
2013 yr. you pay 50% remainder discounted 50%
phase in-begins in 2013
2020 yr. you pay 25%
drug discounted 50%
government subsidy 25%

Source: ObamaCare Survival Guide by Nick Tate

More details are needed about the “80 yr. old” mentioned in this op-ed to understand what happened. Government regulations with Obamacare added on top are mind boggling and out of control.

Before “buying” into this article’s “death machine” shock title, I recommend that anyone concerned with how Obamacare will effect them and their families buy the book:

ObamaCare Survival Guide by Nick Tate

It is a just the facts, no politics book, that lays out, in plain english with simple charts, an easy to read road map of what to expect and how to navigate ObamaCare.


19 posted on 02/22/2013 11:33:23 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: rarestia
I'm in the same boat, been taking medication for hypothyroidism caused by autoimmune disease for almost 30 years. I've already dealt with shortages of my medication over the last few years. With Obamacare, I know it will get worse.

Hey, look on the bright side. At least we'll go in our sleep, eh? *sigh* :(
20 posted on 02/22/2013 11:39:20 AM PST by grateful
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To: NTHockey

Where is AARP? Without a special interest group, you are screwed. Have you not learned American politics yet?


21 posted on 02/22/2013 11:48:22 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: butterdezillion

Im hearing some good things about gymnema herb for diabetes.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 11:57:44 AM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: All

Agenda 21 doesn’t neccesarily require concentration camps and ovens, it can be accomplished with more politically correct means. While it’s sad that uncle Elmer can’t get his heart medication anymore and will thus die within a year, his granson will still be covered on his parent’s insurance until he’s 26. Isn’t that a net “plus”? Besides, if we no longer have to pay Social Security for these old goats we can find a way to properly finance Planned Parenthood: Another plus.

Obamacare is but one brick in the wall of socialism that is being built around us. Bit by bit, different groups have been marginalized, isolated and eventually eliminated. Has anybody noticed the number of Generals and Admirals that have “resigned” lately? They’re being replaced with officers more comfortable to the Obama administration. If anyone needs to understand what is happening, google “Katyn Forest” or “The Killing Fields.” Every dictator has had to eliminate opposition to attain the tyranny he wanted. Even Biblical tyrants used the same tactics that are now being used against us.

While you’re googling things, try Rev. Martin Niemoller.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 11:58:41 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Marie
The only thing that I have to point out here is that 104 is a normal blood glucose reading, not high.

It's a very good reading, was it the result of oral medications?

Regards,
GtG

24 posted on 02/22/2013 12:01:56 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Venturer

By the time they squeal it will be too late for them. And us.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 12:11:29 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Marie

Isn’t 100 the upper limit of normal?


26 posted on 02/22/2013 12:21:58 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: muawiyah
This is just one of the reasons Obama and his running dog lackeys want to disarm the elderly.

Yes, because if I'm forced to go early, I definitely want to bring some lackeys on the trip. Just for the company, you understand.

27 posted on 02/22/2013 12:24:40 PM PST by Max in Utah ("This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do NOT endorse pulling away benefits once promised and contracted for.

That said, perhaps one unforeseen benefit of ObamaCare will be that we as American will start providing for our own health care, as in paying as we go. Is that a benefit? Paying for our doctor visits, our ER visits, our surgeries, our chemo. Utilizing medical vacations.

Ideally I’d like to be able to take care of my own health by choosing an insurer and plan that suits me from a competitive free market. But if they take away the competitive free market, I guess self-insurance is a goal.

I already sort of do that with NO dental insurance, and a high deductible health insurance.


28 posted on 02/22/2013 12:36:49 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The evil regime is begging for an insurrection so they can use those billion bullets they’ve bought and hoarded to kill us.

Our government is our enemy!


29 posted on 02/22/2013 12:44:56 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My 83 year old mother-in-law is diabetic, a survivor of breast cancer and has chronic liver problems. My wife and especially her sister are liberals and think Obamacare is the answer. I am waiting for the day when my mother-in-law is denied care because of her age and previous health history and plan to tell my sister in law I told you so.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 12:45:33 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: definitelynotaliberal
FBS used to have a 80 to 120 range.

Now, I belive 100 is MAX.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 12:49:43 PM PST by doberville
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t you know its their duty to die? Its for the good of the state. Its part of the fundamental transformation.


32 posted on 02/22/2013 1:22:29 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: doberville

My husband was just formally diagnosed with diabetes today. Our Doctor said he considers 2 fasting readings of 126 or higher to be diabetic and needing treatment.


33 posted on 02/22/2013 1:33:53 PM PST by chronicles
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To: WriteOn
Where is AARP?

You'll find them sharing offices and a mailbox down at the Democrat National Committee, one door down from the NAACP, sharing a cubicle and a phone line with the ACLU.

34 posted on 02/22/2013 1:50:17 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well Sarah Palin called this shot in early going and was roundly excoriated by many for it.

People who deride her as some sort of air head have no idea of the quality of her intellectual capacity.

35 posted on 02/22/2013 1:52:47 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Germany’s Nazi party had NOTHING on America’s Democrat Party...


36 posted on 02/22/2013 2:02:31 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Well Sarah Palin called this shot in early going and was roundly excoriated by many for it.

I would like to see Sarah raising more 'holy hell' about this...she will have an opportunity at CPAC.

37 posted on 02/22/2013 2:05:05 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Marie

I was just told that 105 is “diabetic”, did not even use the term pre-diabetic, although I know applying any Type II classification at all is only because the classifications and definitions changed to include more patients. I have had readings around 105 for years and never before was it an issue. I personally don’t believe that 105 is of any medical significance.


38 posted on 02/22/2013 2:11:14 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

For a non-fasting person, 100 is a perfect BG. By the newer standards, you’re right. 100 is the upper limit for a *fasting* BG. I must’ve missed the part where that was specified.


39 posted on 02/22/2013 2:17:25 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Lets Roll NOW

The muslim and member of the muslim brotherhood who is stinking up the WH intends to cut us senior citizens off so he can as you say, balance his budget!

Do nothing about him and it will happen!


40 posted on 02/22/2013 2:19:42 PM PST by tiger63
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Way too expensive for me. I’d expect half the leaves in the bag to be Cannabis for that price, especially from Central America.


41 posted on 02/22/2013 2:27:26 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Alright. I wrote a rant on this topic and decided not to bother posting it. But now I have to. :-)


One thing you have to realize is that these machines are not perfect. There can be as much as a 5% variation between readings from the exact same drop of blood and that is considered acceptable by the industry’s standard. My son’s a diabetic and we played with his meters. Here are some of the fun things we found.

- using the same draw of blood with three different calibrated machines (all the same brand) we saw readings across a 60 point range.
- using another blood sample, with the same machine, we ran three consecutive tests and had a 15 point variation.
- good hand washing is vital for testing because the machine will pick up any sugar that might be on your hands. We’re talking about *tiny* amounts. So if you handle a sugar packet or touch a drop of dried juice, wipe off your finger carelessly with a wipe and still have the most minute trace of sugar on your hand, it can throw off the results by a few points.

An accuracy of 5% is considered acceptable. But if you’re talking about a fasting BG of 102-105, you’re still within the accuracy range for the machine. (If you do a Google search about machine accuracy, you’ll find people who report inaccurate readings of up to 100 points. This can be a fatal error.)

Another thing to consider is that “normal” ranges for many diseases are constantly being reevaluated. Until 1998 110 for a fasting BG used to be considered the upper limit and a fasting BG above 140 was considered diabetic. They lowered it to 126. (I honestly believe that they did this to get more people on medication and using the equipment rather to aid public health. They did the same thing with cholesterol numbers.)

I was looking at charts showing the ‘diabetes epidemic’ for the US and it is telling that the numbers shot up after 1998. Diabetes used to be like every other disease. You went to the dr when you got sick. Now they screen most people regularly. People who feel perfectly fine are being diagnosed and medicated based on what could be nothing more than a quirk in the reading. So do we really have an increase of disease or of diagnosis?

So a fasting BG of 104 is nothing to get upset about. Personally, I’d be more interested if the numbers shot up with the glucose tolerance test. If one has *repeatedly* elevated fasting BG’s and responds poorly to the glucose challenge, then they’ve got a problem that has to be dealt with.

Finally, there are many factors that can affect the BG’s of a non-diabetic:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/466221-blood-sugar-levels-in-non-diabetics/

“Many factors may temporarily increase an individual’s blood sugar level, even in non-diabetics. These factors include trauma, stroke, heart attack, surgery and drugs such as corticosteroids, dextrose, epinephrine, diuretics, estrogen, aspirin and certain antidepressants. On the other hand, certain medications may reduce blood sugar including acetaminophen, alcohol, anabolic steroids, monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) and oral diabetic medications.”

Diseases and other factors that can cause elevated hyperglycemia include: hyperthyroidism, acromegaly, cushings, shock, stress (physical or emotional), and liver disease.

So it greatly oversimplifies the situation to say, “Your one fasting reading of 104 makes you a pre-diabetic.”

Why is this important? Because (until right now) this diagnosis greatly effected health insurance rates and it definitely has an impact on life insurance policies. Because we now have a gov’t that isn’t exactly friendly to people who’ve been diagnosed with a chronic illness. Because gov’t wonks use things like the “diabetes epidemic” to justify their nanny-state regulations and laws. Because every medication has negative side effects and it just MIGHT be a bad idea to put a healthy person on a drug that may cause harm in the long run. (And yes, there are drs who medicate pre-diabetics. Sometimes, this can be a good thing, but not if it’s based on one reading.)

And just *maybe* it might be a jerk thing to do to scare a healthy person into thinking that they have a life-threatening disease when they may have just had a really crappy nights sleep. (Yes, one night of bad sleep can raise your BG.)

http://news.leiden.edu/news/lack-of-sleep-affects-blood-sugar-level.html


42 posted on 02/22/2013 2:28:16 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

Thanks for taking the time to post the rant. Experimental error and testing error certainly can be a factor. Going to the same lab consistently can make a difference in consistency. My readings have all been within 5% so I think testing reliability has been very good. I think the likelihood that my true fasting BG is within that range is probably over 95%.


43 posted on 02/22/2013 2:39:42 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some folks are obsessively concerned with overpopulation—or more accurately, with the rest of us polluting their scenery by our existence. If not Obama, they had other choices lined up, and they were the only choices allowed for our votes.


44 posted on 02/22/2013 2:46:57 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m retired and happy that I do not take a lot of medications. While I have several health issues, most do not need daily medications. I’m also an RN. I know that sooner or later we’ll be Nazi Germany all over again. Heck, we never really determined as a nation that they were doing anything wrong. We refused to take boatloads of Jewish refugees, turning them away, and back to their country of origin. MANY in the US approved of Hitler and the evil medical things that the SS were performing on Jewish “patients”, mostly without any anesthesia. Jews were not considered human, the same thing you hear from 98% of college campuses today, along with 100% muslim groups, and 98% of the media. It will not take long for this to be approved here today because the democrats have already started the rhetoric, calling Christians, Jews, republicans, babies, disabled, and seniors things that chillingly sound familiar to Nazi Germany and NOBODY is calling them out on it.


45 posted on 02/22/2013 2:55:50 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: hope
gymnema herb

Thanks, reading about Australian Cowplant.

46 posted on 02/22/2013 3:00:45 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Lets Roll NOW

You have to admit once again the Baraqqis have come up with a winning strategy,

The Death Panels not only help out Soc Sec and Medicare financials, but more rapidly kill off the group of voters that tend to vote Republican.


47 posted on 02/22/2013 3:06:52 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would comment, but is probably best that I don’t.


48 posted on 02/22/2013 3:24:39 PM PST by sport
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To: Venturer

True! In fact, I believe that they are already crying, but they do not have the intelligence to understand that it was their own actions, by their own hand that caused it.


49 posted on 02/22/2013 3:27:40 PM PST by sport
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To: Logical me

Don’t hold your breath while waiting for them to do that.


50 posted on 02/22/2013 2:45:13 PM PST by sport
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