Meanwhile, in Obama's New Model Army...
Just another part of the Constitution they want to circumvent! I am really getting tired of all of the anti-Constitutional acts by this Government! What’s worse is that our so called elected Representatives don’t seem to notice the flagrant bills that are Unconstitutional!
Why vote for any of them these days?
A few years back I'd have thought that pure tinfoil hat material.
Those of us who are not in this particular bind should have an 'extra' and at least a couple of basic ammo loads to share with a friend if the shtf.
If it gets nasty, they can at least wish for more wishes...
Does anyone know if this letter is really being sent out? It sounds so preposterous that I’ve been dismissing it as tinfoil hat stuff, but I’m starting to see this same story from different sources now. Do any Freepers have firsthand knowledge of this story? Thanks!!
In every jurisdiction I have ever worked in, “competence” is a matter of court-determined cognitive abilities, not a matter of sanity. Competence is also situation specific.
For instance, a person may be crazy as a loon, but if they are capable mentally do basic math, balance a check book, pay their bills, and shop and prepare their own food and such, they cannot be declared incompetent with regard to their monies, and a conservator to handle their finances cannot be appointed against their will, even if they choose to spend their money on drugs and alcohol, etc.
Similarly, an ill person with intact cognitive functions who cognitively understands their medical condition and the proposed treatments, yet chooses to forego recommended lifesaving treatments for any other reason - even voices telling them to do so, or such - cannot be declared incompetent to make those decisions, and cannot have a treatment guardian appointed to make such decisions against their will.
Competence is a cognitive determination, rendered after a specific, independent evaluation rendered by a psychiatrist or psychologist who has tested for the cognitive abilities pertinent to a specific situation or function. The ultimate determination is a legal opinion rendered by a court, and during this legal process the person being rendered incompetent may defend themselves, enlist attorneys, and ask for their own, or a court-appointed, independent evaluator. As far as I know, some person or agency cannot simply declare someone incompetent until they are able to prove themselves otherwise.
I doubt these VA letters were predicated on such legal processes. I doubt very many vets, except those with brain damage severe enough to render them unable to ever learn again how to safely fire a weapon, could meet the legal requirements I have always practiced under. Mere PTSD, or even suicidal or homicidal tendencies do not imply cognitive disabilities of the sort required for “incompetence” to handle a gun. Evidence, presented in a court, may convince the judge that, due to a mental illness, “immanent and substantial danger to self and others” exists, and that may lead the judge to adjudicate the person “mentally ill,” and THAT may preclude firearm ownership, but that is not the same issue as the legal term “competence” used here.
[May I remind you that the obligatory FR requirement to include professional and personal slurs and vehement loathing overall when replying to posts by a shrink is - as far as I know - still in effect. Please don’t skimp on the venom.]
‘deem’ all they want. it holds absolutely no legal authority
someone should file a class action against these people for mass harassment / threats
I would ignore that letter if I received one. “Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective . . . ,” only applies to a hearing with due process, not your buddy saying “you’re crazy” when you ask the CO’s wife to dance, and not to some petty paperwork pusher sending a politically motivated letter with the same meaning and even less justification.
Part of the conservative response to Newtown was a push to make it harder for the mentally ill to get hold of guns.
The problem, of course, is that some person, presumably a medical professional, will have to make the diagnosis whether a person is mentally ill. And of course the definition of what exactly constitutes “mentally illness,” much less “dangerous mentally illness” is notoriously slippery.
It is difficult to imagine a scenario under which the Newtown shooter would have been kept away from guns without violating his civil rights.
Unless we want to get into that whole “pre-crime” bit.
Everybody's focused on "veterans".
Chuck U Schumer already put them on notice:
I love our veterans, I vote for them all the time. They defend us, Schumer said. If you are a veteran or not and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.
“a veteran OR NOT” says Chuck U
This popped up on the net about 4 months ago. I contacted several of my retired buds, one who owns a gun shop, and could not find any that had received a call or letter.
Have anyone of you contacted a vet or are a vet received a call or letter to date? I have sent out another email to about 20 of my contacts who are retired military trying to see if anyone of them have received such a contact. I also asked them to ask all of their contacts the same question.
I do not put it past the FERAL Government to do this. They have violated every article in the Bill of Rights and want to disarm us or piss us off into starting CW2, but I want to here that this is actually happened from one of my buds.
If the feds say they are incompetent to handle their own affairs and own firearms then they probably can’t tell right from wrong and will get off when charged with murder. Unintended consequences.
This is how the Obama administration will disarm America. With Obamacare the government will have access to everyone’s medical records and anyone with a “mental disorder” or deemed “unstable” will simply have their guns confiscated and be denied the ability to purchase firearms. The government’s criteria for who can have their guns confiscated will become so broad that taking any kind of anti-depressant, being a combat veteran or even telling your doctor about any family problems will be cause you to be deemed mentally unstable.
I know these letters are pretty standard for vets that have been approved for the Aid and Attendance pension. This is for vets who need assistance with one or more of the daily activities of living. Typically they are elderly and facing some sort of dementia issues. My father is on the program and got this letter. A family member can be appointed as the vet’s fiduciary.
“Report: Vets may be deemed incompetent without due process, cannot own firearms”... and vets with such illnesses as PTSD will not be able to get law enforcement, fire dept. jobs etc.
Here’s a site that ran the story http://redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition. If you look at the PDF file at the bottom of the story, it shows a letter sent to a Vet in Oregon dated 20 Dec 2012. I had to laugh when I saw this because the VA Team manager who signed this has had quite a few of his teams disability rating decisions overturned at the Federal Level. There is another story at Red Flag News that can be found by going to the site home page that talks of a growing support for a class action lawsuit. Hope this helps.
This group of veterans fought at the food court at SF downtown mall, [there are no confirmed account of who threw the first cannoli] in the first known engagement it is noteworthy that the of 1st Hair Dresser Battalion the 69th LGBT division stood proud ignoring that they had been penetrated and took everything thrown at them unflinchingly; ... You Go Boys!!!