Skip to comments.Is There an OWS Branch of the Tea Party?
Posted on 02/24/2013 1:07:35 PM PST by 6ft2inhighheelshoes
What's All This About a Grassroots Cruise? Despite "OWS" Backlash, Still Better to Lead than Lose
February 24, 2013
When the idea for this 7-day conference first began to stir among a small group of independent organizers, the first suggestion was to convene at a resort somewhere, like CPAC does. But a little research quickly revealed that an upscale Caribbean cruise was actually more economical, and probably more fun. With three volunteers, and plans for a social media campaign to get the word out, Freedom on the Sea was born.
Since 2009, activists have grabbed training any way they can to improve their ability to effect change in the political arena. The Leadership Institute, Franklin Center, American Majority and Americans for Prosperity are just a few of the groups that offer fine training and networking opportunities through classes and online interactions, but none last a whole week. For many, it can be hard to digest a lot of information in just an afternoon or weekend.
Freedom on the Sea offers innovative ideas, advanced training, and extensive contact with celebrities who are eager for interactive sessions and opportunities to talk one-on-one with participants. After the disappointments of 2012, sensible conservatives realize that the movement has to reconnect and revitalize in order to chart a course for victory.
Is it possible to pull together all the Tea Party groups with their different agendas, and find common ground with conservatives, libertarians, independents, and republicans? Can we learn how to tell the story of a conservative future, and communicate the left's attempt to recycle their past failures? Are we just waiting for a great leader, or will we challenge ourselves to lead?
One of the disappointments in promoting this event was the appearance of a hitherto unknown OWS branch of the Tea Party family tree. We've had Facebook comments that bely class warfare; Why don't you plan an event we can ALL afford, it shouldn't just be for the rich! Calls for further division; It's not a conservative cruise unless it's Christian-based! And just plain paranoid; Seems like a cruise ship full of conservatives would be a good target for government bombs-just sayin'!
Leaders don't undercut honest efforts to improve circumstances, but losers are perfectly happy to kick each other down. Yes, cruises cost money, but it is by far the cheapest conservative cruise out there. Freedom on the Sea was created for intelligent activists who recognize failure, and are willing to shift strategy and tackle challenges in order to win. It's designed for leaders, not losers.
Really like the idea....however, there are many of us on the west coast would find it much easier to make a cruise starting from west coast and cruising to Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico, or the Pacific Coast.
I have taken seven cruises and always look for the best prices and most of the time end up with a balcony or suite at much less of a price the Holland America is showing for this cruise.
Wish you much luck for the Caribbean cruise and hope a west coast departure can also be arranged soon....
So.. you're looking for the Butthurt form?
The vast majority of the tea party minded people don’t have that kind of money to blow on frivolous crap.
No, because the Tea Party doesn’t disrupt commerce or peaceable travel.
That could well be. I was just offering an alternative.
I find regular cruises really boring, but after experiencing the National Review Cruise, which is a huge elaborate event that takes place within a cruise, I decided to try the same thing for activists. With all these themed cruises you have to figure out a way to pay for the transportation costs of the celebrities, which is why it cost more than the discounted price. The price also includes taxes, fees and TIPS, which is not included in discounted cruises. Also, no speaker is paid a fee, and they work very hard all week. Amazingly, Freedom on the Sea can be cheaper than CPAC on a nightly basis.
I would love to try an Alaskan cruise next time, though.
Alaska is a great place to cruise and has beautiful scenery and quiet times which are great for introspection.
I always try to find cruises where taxes, tips, etc. are included.
Please consider me for assistance in putting together one for Alaska in the future if the first goes well....thanks.
Great idea and food for you
I am really puzzled by the critical comments.
PEOPLE this is only ONE idea and of course not everyone who belongs to a Tea party or agrees with the principles can attend.
is there any one event every person who thinks of themselves as a tea partier can attend?
OF COURSE NOT
so plan your own on the west coast
or plan something in your hometown that is free
Thanks! I will.
Just remember to take a 5 gallon bucket with you with a hole cut in the lid and some feline pine litter in it. Also take a supply of beef jerky, bottled water and a solar car fan in case the cruise ship breaks down.
The only type of cruise that would interest me is a great lakes cruise. In fact it would be a great way to hold tea party events in some of the midwest port cities kind of like tea party express tours.
Its still too rich for my blood at this point but its an idea.
C’mon, piasa, I don’t make silly jokes about avoiding car travel just because someone’s jalopy broke down in the middle of a desert-
We thought about a Great Lakes cruise, but the Caribbean is more economical, and more welcome in November. It take a whole year to plan one of these things, and we wanted to do it as quickly as possible too.
We thought about a Great Lakes cruise, but the Caribbean is more economical, and more welcome in November. It take a whole year to plan one of these things, and we wanted to do it as quickly as possible too. Maybe someone will plan one for the summer months~
I am 5 ft. 18 in. BAREFOOT
There is nothing frivolous about this cruise. I met lots of Tea Party leaders on the National Review Cruise, and I’m surprised to see that someone here actually claims to speak for “tea party minded people”. I’ve strongly supported the Tea Party, defended it, taken hits for it, and even been shoved around in a union riot because of it. I never claim to speak for the Tea party or the individuals who support it. For conservative activists who are involved in the Tea Party and otherwise, I offer an alternative training experience that has an added opportunity to interact with some very smart and interesting celebrities. I never said it was an event for everybody
Ha! Finally someone I can dance with!
There have been a couple of FReeper cruises, and we had a great time. The first was on Royal Caribbean, the second on Carnival and I think that killed it. Lesson: If you’re going to use a cruise for a meet-up and workshops, cheapness will kill you. Get a decent boat.
Thank you! Actually, We’re sailing on the Nieuw Amsterdam, the newest vessel in the Holland America Line. It is the ship National Review sailed on last November, and it is really nice, the food is great too. We’re keeping the cost down by not taking salaries, and working during the cruise.
Darn, I was thinking this meant we would all get together and poop on cop cars or sumpin’.
Lol! Sorry to disappoint you!
You threw that in with no information at all what you were talking about.
Then you put in the title area a title that is not at the link provided
OWS is diametrically opposite of the Tea Party Movement, why are you merging them?
Care to clear those things up?
Certainly. I apologize for not being a very good writer. OWS spent a considerable amount of energy disparaging anyone who had planned and saved money. Freedom on the Sea is a cruise that starts at less than $200 per night, and include all the food you can eat, 24 hours a day, a beautiful and large, very clean stateroom, and all associated expenses; taxes, fees, tips. There’s a $500 deposit and the balance is charged in August, giving people some time to save up. I myself took an extra job just to save money for the National Review cruise last year, so I know this is doable for some.
For this, I got weird comments from some who were purportedly from the Tea Party ranks, like: You shouldn’t have an event that poor people can’t attend, and you should have this event in a campground, so all the people can be there, and this is only for the rich, how dare you, you’ll get blown up, blah blah blah. some of these folks seemed to be upset that activists might actually have some fun and relaxation on this cruise.
So I’ve made the suggestion that some people who represent themselves as tea partiers have something in common with the OWS- a destructive and counter productive nature that wants to punish those who have more resources for whatever reason. These crazed commenters made it difficult to remain on a friendly facebook page that was trying to support us, and if the conservative movement can’t even support a group of volunteers who are trying to put together a cruise, then we are in very deep trouble.
We need to overcome the temptations of class warfare and bickering between tea party groups, or we are lost. And quite frankly, no one is out there trying to save the conservative movement. It was a tough break in 2012, but we have to buck up and figure out what to do next, and that takes leaders, not the losers who insist on kicking us from behind.
What in the heck does OWS stand for?
Old Western Scrounger. A source for hard to find ammo.
The group that leaves trash all over the place, rapes women in their “encampments,” poop in public and in some cases on a police car.
Called themselves the "99%ers"
Police gave them a wide birth and let them continue sometimes for weeks at a time, while at the same time stopping Tea Partiers from gathering when ever they could.
The ones that Obama praised for being relevant while at the same time he and his minions called the Tea Partiers racists haters.
If the Tea Party aligns with OWS, I am no longer associated with the Tea Party. OWS is the enemy and stands against everything we are supposed to stand for. I want nothing to do with those scum.
Occupy Wall Street
The leftist, Che worshiping, V mask wearing, occutards.
No, I don’t think there is a merger happening, but I guess even within the tea party you’re going to get class warfare rhetoric. If some tea partiers think events shouldn’t happen unless they’re free, well it’s no wonder Obama won.
I helped with a big event at a church a couple of years ago. we charged $50 for a day long event with three tracks of panels and training. Everyone agreed the content was great, but they were angry about the ticket price for a church venue-which they incorrectly assumed was free. We barely broke even on expenses.
Tea party people may let you know they would like other venues more affordable but they in no way would act at all like OWS rapists and public poopers.
Why you would put OWS in the title and make any mention of them in your article, as I said before, makes no sense at all unless you want to make the tea party look bad.
You need to do some research on the TPM and find out a little about the character of members and then maybe write an article with some knowledge of the movement.
I see you took the opportunity of the reply of my post to try to sell me a cruize, not interested thanks.
"So Ive made the suggestion that some people who represent themselves as tea partiers have something in common with the OWS- a destructive and counter productive nature that wants to punish those who have more resources for whatever reason. These crazed commenters" etc etcWell tea partiers don't have ANYTHING in common with OWS scum, period.
And here some people on this thread have taken you at your word that you had had bad experiences with tea partiers when you didn't, you were scammed.
"No, I dont think there is a merger happening, but I guess even within the tea party youre going to get class warfare rhetoric. If some tea partiers think events shouldnt happen unless theyre free, well its no wonder Obama won."They are NOT tea partiers!
Read my last post to you and please stop posting the anti Tea Party rhetoric.
Only big “cruise” I do each year is a week long landcruiser trip across Nevada from the Utah border to the California border without touching pavement. Be great for freepers to come and see some of the best terrain in the world. You just stop wherever you want at any good scenic looking place to set up camp for the night and sleep under the stars. The only unfortunate thing I’ve noticed is it seems the amount of time to get going, and get anywhere seems to double for each extra vehicle added to the trip, get more than 4 vehicles and you might as well be herding cats.
Mighty big of you to take a cruise and not demand to be paid for the privilege.
Do you have any idea of how stupid you sound? I don’t even get to “take” the cruise-I get to “work” the cruise. You obviously have no clue how much hard work has already gone into this.
humblegunner, why does it bother you so much that some lady put together an event on a cruise ship because it was the least expensive way she to get activists together with top notch trainers and speakers for a week? Why are you denigrating this?
Not denigrating “this”.
I’m denigrating anyone who thinks so highly of themselves
that they reckon the ignorant little nobodies should pay
them to take a cruise and share the rare wisdom that obviously
is borne of nothing more than hubris and an inflated ego.
No, your comment was obviously aimed at me, because you assumed I threw together a cruise just to have some fun.
Ignorant little nobodies? Are you saying you’re insulted? Just what did you do in the last election cycle, and how effective was it?
I’m amazed and impressed if you already know how to put together an anti-fraud voter program like Catherine Engelbrecht, and you don’t need advanced training in anything. Perhaps you were part of the right-to-work victory in Michigan. Many of my fellow conservatives have asked for help in camera interview techniques, reporting skills, and constructing local initiatives. And some just want to relax with other conservatives. Why do you treat it as if it were a crime?
I’m just an event planner, but the people who are guest speakers do have wisdom and experience to share, and they’re working for freedom. Which is more than I can say for old crabs who sit around complaining.
You’re simply so smart and awesome and well-connected that you deserve a free cruise.
Makes perfect sense.
Boy, this really bothers, you, doesn’t it? I’m just a middle aged lady who volunteers for events, doesn’t make any claim to wisdom or particular skill, and am just informing people who might be interested in a really good event.
You seem to be intent on discouraging me and others with sarcasm. I really wonder why.
Easy to figure out, sweetiecakes.
It's largely due to your attitude of thinking you are
somehow better and smarter than others and that you are
qualified to TEACH the ignorant masses gems of your wisdom.
You've already admitted that you're "sacrificing" by not
demanding to be paid for taking this cruise.
Were keeping the cost down by not taking salaries
Bottom line, you think you are "all that" and that everyone
else should be glad to pay your way just to hear you pontificate
about how much more "special" you are than they.
Well to hell with that.
Clear things up for you, sweetiecakes?
Hi Syncro, I just saw your post, and I’m sorry I am only now getting back to you. When did I say anything bad abut the tea party? I’ve been helping tea party organizers since 2009, and the first time I ever heard of this weird, angry class warfare rhetoric among *purported* tea partiers that I’m talking about was over the past few weeks over this cruise.
All the Tea Party people I know personally are fantastic, supportive classy people. I don’t know for sure who these people are who are so negative but claim they are tea party. And I don’t know you, either.
I suspect that most of the people who are freaking out over a conservative cruise are trolls.
This in itself is a big problem for the tea party.
I am very, very tired of all this, and yes, I’m angry that after getting encouragement from my fellow tea partiers, and working my butt off, I now have to deal with a few who prefer to be nasty. I really don’t need complainers on the ship, so if you don’t want to go on a 7-dat trip with John Fund, Steven Crowder, Anita MonCrief, Deroy Murdock, James O’Keeefe, etc., please DON’T. If you want a different kind of event, then for Heaven’s sake, plan it yourself.
Oh, what Tea Party organizations are those?
"I dont know for sure who these people are who are so negative but claim they are tea party. And I dont know you, either.
"I suspect that most of the people who are freaking out over a conservative cruise are trolls."
Well that was precisely the point I was conveying to you. And it looked bad that you just assumed they were tea partiers earlier with out knowing that tea partiers do NOT act like that.
So it seemed you had no real knowledge of what the TPM is all about and the character of it's members.
Now you seem to be including me in with those trolls (glad you finally recognize them as such) because you seem to have decided that I am "freaking out over a conservative cruise."
I've done no such thing, just called you on trying to push selling the the cruise to me when ever you reply to my posts.
I now have to deal with a few who prefer to be nasty. I really dont need complainers on the ship, so if you dont want to go on a 7-dat trip with ...[removed more promotion]...please DONT. If you want a different kind of event, then for Heavens sake, plan it yourself.There you go again, making it seem I am dissing your event so I can promote my own.
I have been in on the planning of hundreds of tea parties and rubbed elbows with hundreds of thousands of tea party type people and NEVER believed for one second when any of them acted like OWS, while you seem to have accepted that those types could be legitimate tea partiers
Any tea partiers I know would have spotted the false intruders in a nano-second when they acted like OWSers. You, on the other hand, decided to diss tea partiers by seeing the OWS types as legit.
So again, what tea party organizers (and which tea parties) have you "helping with" since 2009?
First of all, I’m concerned about the tea party looking bad, as you are. My friend who posted on her big fb page got huge blowback from people who are long time followers, who purport to be tea party. They made lots of deprecating comments about the cruise being for the rich, suggested I was getting something for free, were mad they couldn’t afford it, insisted we do something else, like a campground event, and suggested that cruisers were in danger. Some of the comments made the writers look like nuts.
I wondered, do some of the people out there claiming to be tea party actually have more in common with OWS? When I read all the class warfare rhetoric in these fb posts, it infuriated me, because I couldn’t figure out where it was coming from.
In all my time with tea party networks and groups in my home state as well as my work with national groups, I’ve had mostly good experiences. I’ve worked closely with AFP, Leadership Institute in D.C., American Majority, and Franklin Center, as well as a state-wide CPAC. I’ve also managed a state senate campaign. I got kicked around a little during the union riot in Lansing Michigan, when union thugs knocked down the AFP tent. I participated in the first big tea parties of 2009, and continue to support the tea parties today. I’ve done a lot of documenting for tea party rallies throughout my state over the years.
Just because someone says they’re tea party doesn’t mean they’re not divisive. I am trying to bring attention to the fact that this crabbing about my event is an example of a negativity that is not good for us. The left is laughing at us. The divisiveness will destroy the movement if we’re not more circumspect.
I would think that nice tea party folks wouldn’t automatically try to shoot down ideas from fellow conservatives. Hence my confusion and anger when they apparently did.
We’re really on the same side, Syncro. I didn’t know you did events too until your last post. I’ll make you a deal: you organize a conservative event, and I’ll help you promote it. I don’t care what kind of an event it is, and I don’t care if you make money on it. i don’t care if we disagree on details of whatever platform you stand on. I will promote it.
Please don’t reply back with demands for more details of proof of my affiliation with the tea party is. I believe you when you say that of the hundreds of thousands of TPM you’ve rubbed elbows with, no one acted like OWS. That’s been my experience too. Once again, I referred in my article to internet blowback, and one conservative lady that snarled at me. I didn’t accuse tea partiers of bad behavior, just bad opinions that are similar to the class warfare rhetoric of the OWS. Once again, this is not good for us.
The cruise isn’t for everyone, just as a camping event or trip to D.C. isn’t for everyone. I never said it was.
I’m just an event organizer, not one the presenters or speakers. I don’t teach anything, and I don’t know the answers. :)
Since you seem to be riling people up about this across multiple platforms, perhaps the underlying problem is your tone.
I see my words seem to be falling on deaf ears.
It WAS not tea partiers. They just do not act like that. Oh some that call themselves that do, such as the Tea Party Patriots (who tried in the beginning to shoot down other large tea party orgs,) but their main purpose is to be seen as the leaders of the TPM and making money.
I still have no idea what tea party groups you worked with, except AFT which is a good organization but I don't think they call themselves a tea party group.
Which tea parties did you go to in 2009, we may have seen each other as I was at many tea parties in that year.
OWS and the TEA Party ar probably closer cousins than either side would really care to admit. Talk of “crony capitalism” is, after all, not that far off from decrying the Wall St. oligarchy. Too much power does indeed rest in the hands of a relative few, and massive wealth generally determines who that few are.
Where the two groups diverge is on how to address the problem. OWS wants more government in an effort to control and punish “the 1%” and to redistribute their wealth. (Two fundamental flaws in this approach, by the way: 1) it ignores the fact the the government is intertwined with the wealthy interests, and by no means is interested in harming its buddies, and 2) even if they were able to do as they wish, they become more dependent on “the 1%” than they already claim to be, as a parasite depends on its host.)
The TEA Party, on the other hand, recognizes that the government making policy to specifically affect their friends and allies is a major part of the problem. They want a smaller government that gets out of the business of picking winners and losers.
Thoughtful post, kevkrom. May I add that I think the greatest strength and greatest weakness of the tea party is the fact that there is no central leader or organization that determines the platform? It’s a huge strength because the leftists have never been able to target and destroy s central leader. However, all these tea party groups that formed in 2009-2010 have diverged in their goals, and at least here in my state, groups have fractured because of internal disagreements and personality conflicts. One friend likens running a tea party group to “herding cats”, because tea party activists tend to all be leaders. Several of the original tea party folks I trained with in DC have just called it quits.
Another poster had a negative comment about the Tea Party Patriots, so there is disagreement even here on who lives up to the ideal tea party model.
My original point was that I had received some blowback on a tea party FB page for planning a conservative event. The administrator told me she was shocked by the comments, and even deleted some as being too crazy. She assured me that these people had followed her site for years. The general tone of the negative comments (which were a small, but vocal minority) seemed to center around the notion that an event like this was only for the “rich” and therefore not anything a decent tea partier would have anything to do with. Considering the fact that I got the cruise idea from some tea party leaders, I can only conclude that there are people out there who have been active in tea parties, but harbor some sympathy to class warfare. They felt perfectly comfortable making remarks designed to make conservatives ashamed of having the audacity to combine a vacation with a conference.
I strongly support the tea party ideal, and part of that is I don’t say things like, Good luck with that expensive CPAC where all those rich people and Conservative leaders could be taken out with a drone! or, People like you are just trying to get rich off the poor with this event.
For Heaven’s sake, no matter what event I volunteer to help with, there’s always someone who gripes about the cost, and it’s usually because they don’t know the financial details.
At our state CPAC 2 years ago, we charged $50 for a great daylong event-but some people complained bitterly, thinking that because it took place in a church, the organizers must have profited. Well, like most tea party events, it actually lost money, but the bills were picked up by a generous benefactor.
I guess my point his that you’re always going to get people who disagree, or who don’t have all the facts, or who make wild assumptions, but we need to all agree to be careful about shooting down each other’s events and ideas. We should not support class warfare rhetoric. Our biggest challenge is creating a unified front so the lefties can’t divide us further.
If we could only learn to say, I don’t agree with everyone on the details, but we all agree that #1 Government is too big, Freedom is too small, and we need to balance the budget. And refuse to engage in political conversations about abortion, gay marriage or any other issues by referring back to #1
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