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To: xrmusn; Pelham; Travis McGee; dixiechick2000; mrsmel

you know

I am likely the last freeper expected to defend black suffering and all that crap

but this notion here expounded by so many that the poor Irish were so beat up upon here and to equate that with chattel slavery...however benign or not it was in North America compared to say...Saint Dominingue

it is absolute hogwash to equate those two

it’s like Irish today are claiming me too...BS

and I am Scots Irish aplenty...Sullivan

every new group gets some resistance

problem is today there is no resisitance and unlike the Irish these browns don’t want to assimilate...they want to take over

and they are

My greatX4 grandma was Mary Workman..an Irish daughter of a servant at William Dunbar’s plantation* in Natchez....Dunbar arranged her as my g4grandpa’s second wife when number one blew out after 16 kids...my g4grandpa was a cattle breeder who supplied Dunbar from his cattle works over on the Leaf river bottoms about 80 miles northeast

unless you were gentry all had it hard...and gentry lost half their kids by aged 6 same as anyone

enough bitching to go around

but all had it better materially and life expectancy than from where they came...maybe the occasional first son who ventured over had it worse

including the slaves...and you won’t hear that in black history month will you?

*Dunbar was arguably the largest land and slave holder in the US at that time...he also sent a fair number back to Africa before he was stopped by fellow plantation owners...Dunbar had been pretty tough repressing slave rebellions in his younger days


19 posted on 02/25/2013 9:47:40 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy; xrmusn

My dad is reading Bernard Bailyn’s ‘The Barbarous Years’, concerning the North American Colonies from 1600-1675.

Now those were remarkably harsh times for everyone involved. You could make a case that the indentured servants of that time, mostly British, lived very rough lives, but their masters didn’t have it much better.

One interesting story I heard in New Orleans concerned the digging of the canals. The canals were dug by Irish laborers because the work was considered far too dangerous for risking slaves. Slaves were expensive, something we often don’t consider.


23 posted on 02/25/2013 11:07:52 AM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio. for Amnesty, Spanish, and Karl Rove.)
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To: wardaddy

it is absolute hogwash to equate those two
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I am/was NOT equating the two.
The Reparations remark on my part was sarcasm and, yes, not a very funny joke.

My ‘protest’ is that YES, the blacks had it rough, no one should be enslaved to anyone else and if you are of Irish descent and a ‘certain’ age you must have heard the statement “an Irishman is nothing but a ‘N’ turned inside out”.

I personally, as probably 99.99999+% of the people on this forum have never owned a slave and am (have been) getting tired of having to absorb the blame for the actions of a few people 150+++ years ago.

My statement is only to ‘point out’ that not everyone arrived in this country on the Cunard Lines in 1st class - which is what ‘they’ would have you believe - Except of course, for the Blacks.

Again, while the plight of Blacks is and was deplorable, their plight was ‘started’ by their ‘OWN’ and yes, if there were no Market, chances are we wouldn’t be having this discussion.


25 posted on 02/25/2013 2:04:10 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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