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To: BipolarBob

They didn’t teach that in History class.
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I ‘learned’ that in History class.
I also ‘learned’ or was aware that the ‘slave transporters’ did NOT go into the bush or shanghai potential ‘cargoes’ as they were readily provided - at a cost - by the Natives of the African Ports where the ‘cargo’ was loaded. Also, so long as the ‘slaves’ were PAID for, the chances of any but the ‘MOST’ rowdy had to be kept in a physical condition as to be worth a resale value upon arrival at the destination.
Owning slaves was expensive, as it was your ‘responsibility’ to make sure ‘they’ were able to perform certain duties on a daily basis, so as to get a return for the ‘investment’.

A good portion of the original Irish were indentured servants, whose accommodations on the ‘crossing’ were somewhat less than that ever popular steerage and in the beginning, the Irish Immigrant was not favored much higher than the African Immigrant with the Irish ‘doing the jobs that Americans wouldn’t do’ and the Irish did ‘favor’ slavery, in as much, that freed slaves would mean fewer jobs for the Irish.
Of course those of us of Irish descent are eagerly awaiting reparations etc, but I don’t think I will ‘hold my breath’ in bated anticipation.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 8:13:12 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn
xrmusn wrote:

the Irish Immigrant was not favored much higher than the African Immigrant

...but we don't want the Irish!

10 posted on 02/25/2013 8:31:09 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: xrmusn
the Irish Immigrant was not favored much higher than the African Immigrant with the Irish ‘doing the jobs that Americans wouldn’t do’

My understanding was that if the job was significantly dangerous they would use the Irish as apposed to African slaves. Slaves represented a capital investment of up to $600 dollars, which in today's dollars would be in the thousands. If an Irish man was killed or seriously injured nobody was out any money.

13 posted on 02/25/2013 9:00:16 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: xrmusn

The idea that white slavers went into the bush to catch slaves was given to us by the movie ( and possibly the book, I didn’t read it ) “Roots.” The African chiefs who sold slaves wouldn’t have stood for it. They had armies of jungle fighters to stop any poachers. White slavers who went ashore would have been in “Indian Country” the whole time and lucky to escape with their lives. IIRC there were a couple of islands and select ports where slaves were sold, the only places outside ships could land.


14 posted on 02/25/2013 9:01:16 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: xrmusn
and in the beginning, the Irish Immigrant was not favored much higher than the African Immigrant with the Irish ‘doing the jobs that Americans wouldn’t do’ and the Irish did ‘favor’ slavery, in as much, that freed slaves would mean fewer jobs for the Irish.

"Alright, we'll give some land to the n@ggers and the ch@nks.....But we don't want the Irish."

17 posted on 02/25/2013 9:31:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: xrmusn; Pelham; Travis McGee; dixiechick2000; mrsmel

you know

I am likely the last freeper expected to defend black suffering and all that crap

but this notion here expounded by so many that the poor Irish were so beat up upon here and to equate that with chattel slavery...however benign or not it was in North America compared to say...Saint Dominingue

it is absolute hogwash to equate those two

it’s like Irish today are claiming me too...BS

and I am Scots Irish aplenty...Sullivan

every new group gets some resistance

problem is today there is no resisitance and unlike the Irish these browns don’t want to assimilate...they want to take over

and they are

My greatX4 grandma was Mary Workman..an Irish daughter of a servant at William Dunbar’s plantation* in Natchez....Dunbar arranged her as my g4grandpa’s second wife when number one blew out after 16 kids...my g4grandpa was a cattle breeder who supplied Dunbar from his cattle works over on the Leaf river bottoms about 80 miles northeast

unless you were gentry all had it hard...and gentry lost half their kids by aged 6 same as anyone

enough bitching to go around

but all had it better materially and life expectancy than from where they came...maybe the occasional first son who ventured over had it worse

including the slaves...and you won’t hear that in black history month will you?

*Dunbar was arguably the largest land and slave holder in the US at that time...he also sent a fair number back to Africa before he was stopped by fellow plantation owners...Dunbar had been pretty tough repressing slave rebellions in his younger days


19 posted on 02/25/2013 9:47:40 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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