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Medical Preparedness with Doomandbloom - an AAR
Self, with doomandbloom ^ | 25 FEB 2013 | Old Sarge

Posted on 02/25/2013 7:31:42 PM PST by Old Sarge

Greetings, Folks!

Today I'd like to share with you what The Bride and I did over this last weekend, because it was pretty exciting stuff.

The Bride had the opportunity to enroll in a Medical Seminar geared to disaster medicine, including suturing, stapling and wound care, taught by none other then Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy of DoomandBloom.net.

On Sunday, we made the trek to Weston, FL, just west of Ft. Lauderdale. In the class were eighteen people (including three MD's) learning how to suture wounds using stitch and staples; nine folks were in the back of the room, schmoozing and drinking coffee, and gazing longingly at the medical bags that Doc and Amy had available.

Sarge listened in on the lecture given by Doc and Amy, as The Bride sat down at the student station. They were a joy to listen to; each one played off the other's knowledge, and the humor banter was delightful. After a 20-30 minute talk and slide show by Doc, the students got to practice their stitching skills, and not a few learned new stuff. Doc and Amy had provided pigs' feet at each station for the students to stitch up; that gave an added realism that made the class that much better.

As The Bride showed off her knitting to an appreciative Nurse Amy, Sarge got to talking with various watchers and others who drank coffee in the back. Sarge struck up a conversation with a former Marine who had extensive medical equipment knowledge. The Marine also told much of what he knew about the situation in south Florida, from a prepper's perspective (for which Sarge took copious notes)...

After the stitching was examined and judged by Doc and Amy, each participant was awarded a certificate. Sarge and The Bride got to have an extended conversation with Doctor Bones and Nurse Amy; The Bride sharing her career exploits, and Sarge quizzing Doctor Bones about comments he made during the lecture.

It seems that, according to Doctor Bones, several polls have been conducted among medical first responders across the nation. If you search on the phrase, "willingness to respond to work during catastrophe" you can find some of these articles. Doctor Bones stated that in major population centers, anywhere from 30% to 55% of first responders and medical personnel would NOT report for duty in a catastrophe situation, be it natural disaster, pandemic, or mass casualty event. In light of this, he went on, it was all the more imperative that those people with medical training and knowledge be prepared not only with supplies and equipment, but also with the knowledge that THEY might be the only medical help responding, that they might be fully on their own.

Folks, that to me is chilling. We have heard talk of Law Enforcement circling the wagons and not taking action; I've written a few articles underscoring historical events that saw that very thing. In such a situation, many of the prepper community have steeled themselves to the challenge of self-defense and community defense. We see here the increased likelihood that the medical personnel might not report as well. This knowledge should be (I would strongly recommend) incorporated in any and all disaster plans that you, or any group you're with, are developing.

I would recommend this seminar and anything taught by Doctor Bones and Nurse Amy to anyone who can make the effort. The seminar itself was $60 per participant; we dropped $70 in gas round trip, and $30 in food (Cracker Barrel on the way home). WELL WORTH the investment of time and money.

I now yield the floor for discussion.

SARGE


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: doomandbloom; preparedness; prepper; vanity
Comment away, Folks, I'll answer anything I can!
1 posted on 02/25/2013 7:31:52 PM PST by Old Sarge
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To: Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ChocChipCookie; ...

Prepper PING - Sarge and The Bride LIVE with Doctor Bones and Nurse Amy!


2 posted on 02/25/2013 7:32:52 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge
The Patriot Nurse .com

Who Will Die First when SHTF: A WARNING

3 posted on 02/25/2013 7:41:27 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

Believe all you posted Sarge yet you commented on the medical bags they had.

Were these for sale or just demonstration ?

If I was selling Fords then I would tell you Chevy’s don’t run per se ....

BTW last refresher cert class I went to took my surgical stapler away from me saying to pack the wound vs closure to preclude infection.. ? They saying to close the wound now ??

Stay safe !

Just saying ......

Thanks for the info.


4 posted on 02/25/2013 7:46:49 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

please watch, it’s well worth the time it takes to watch... http://thepatriotnurse.com/surgery-in-shtf-realistic-or-not/


5 posted on 02/25/2013 7:50:07 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Thanks for the link....will go peek now !


6 posted on 02/25/2013 7:55:32 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Chode

Um that link was an advertisement for her seminar ...... was it the right one ??


7 posted on 02/25/2013 8:03:07 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

more good video from the Patriot Nurse...

http://thepatriotnurse.com/first-aid-for-gunshot-wounds/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/all-about-gunshot-wounds-2/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/advanced-shtf-medical-equipment-2/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/medical-kit-on-a-50-budget-2/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/medical-kit-a-nurse-gets-you-ready-part-1-2/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/medical-kit-a-nurse-gets-you-ready-part-2-2/

http://thepatriotnurse.com/medical-kit-a-nurse-gets-you-ready-part-3-bonus-round-2/


8 posted on 02/25/2013 8:03:22 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

bookmark.


9 posted on 02/25/2013 8:07:08 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Squantos
it was an ad but also the first part was about how unrealistic it is to spend hundreds of dollars on medical equipment that most people have no idea of when, why or how to use...

the videos in post #8 are much more useful

10 posted on 02/25/2013 8:07:20 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

Sheesh, it’s time to reacquaint myself wlth some very
old training. Thanx for the links.


11 posted on 02/25/2013 8:10:54 PM PST by theneanderthal
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To: Old Sarge

Ping for later...


12 posted on 02/25/2013 8:14:15 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Squantos; Bride Of Old Sarge

Squantos, the gear they had in the room was for display and for sale. They had a bag from Voodoo tactical that they recommended, but the rest of the bags were available on their website.

They have trauma bags, crash kits, and a dental bag as well. Be warned that the prices aren’t cheap by any means, but the gear is great quality.

I’ll let The Bride answer the medical side...


13 posted on 02/25/2013 8:20:05 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Chode

Very Good ..... With our Blizzard today in the Panhandle I have plenty of time to watch !

My Blow Out Kits carried forever have such as baggies and iodine to irrigate, sanitary napkins and tampons as blood stoppers verses expensive IDF blood stoppers, super glue, Hibaclense, ace wraps, Kling Gauze etc ... store bought stuff is Celox and Quik Clot for bleeders, decompression needle, Nasopharyngeal Airway, Asherman chest seals, One Hand tourniquets x 3, sharpie Markers, Eye Wash Cup etc ...

Thats gist of my kits at home, work and vehicles....

Grateful !


14 posted on 02/25/2013 8:26:16 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Old Sarge

Thanks Sarge !

Stay safe !


15 posted on 02/25/2013 8:27:17 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos
Hello Squantos,

Sarge asked me to answer your question. If you had your fun toy taken away, and was told to pack the wound, then there was possibly signs of infection or the wound was too big or maybe even too deep to close. I'm not sure what type of class you were in but part of making the decision to either suture, staple or pack is to check signs of infection. If the edge of the cut was warm or hot, red, swollen, or showing signs of pus (inside also), you don't want to close the wound until the infection is gone. Doing a wet-to-dry dressing would help the wound to heal (and the person would be happier that you didn't induce more pain). Just remember to clean the wound before you make your decision.

16 posted on 02/25/2013 8:33:06 PM PST by Bride Of Old Sarge (I'm sweet and innocent...just ask my birds...and my cats....and my dog....just don't ask my kids....)
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To: Marcella

ping


17 posted on 02/25/2013 8:39:00 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Squantos

That sounds like you have a good bag going there for ya. You can even use clean water and a couple of drops of bleach to clean the wound too. I learned this yesterday. I have super glue (Nurse Amy suggests the gel vs the liquid). Gel won’t go all over the place like the liquid.

Thanks!


18 posted on 02/25/2013 8:42:14 PM PST by Bride Of Old Sarge (I'm sweet and innocent...just ask my birds...and my cats....and my dog....just don't ask my kids....)
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To: Bride Of Old Sarge

Yes Ma’am that was the issue. The USAF PJ instructor said to pack the wound vs close it as even as much as we “think” we cleaned such in the field to close it encapsulated the bug that would infect later. Still have the staplers but just am not quick on the draw with that solution after irrigation of the wound.

clorox ? Good suggestion ....Thanks I learned something !

Stay Safe and I am Grateful for yer time !


19 posted on 02/25/2013 8:49:22 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


20 posted on 02/25/2013 9:41:15 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
My personal recommendations: Elite First Aid Large M17 Medic Bag

Contents List:
1 EFA First Aid Book
20 Pill Bottles
100 Bandage Strips, 1"x3"
14 Pain Relievers
10 Bandage Strips, 2"x4"
4 Triple Antibiotic Packages
10 Knuckle Bandages
4 First Aid Cream Packages
10 Butterfly Strips
2 Burn Aid Packages
4 Bandage Gauzes, 2"x6 Yards
1 SAM/Universal Splint
4 Elastic Bandages, 6"
1 EMT Shears, 7.25"
2 Triangular Bandage
1 Pair of Tweezers
3 Field Dressings
1 Stethoscope
4 Multi Trauma Dressings 12"x30"
1 Tourniquet
1 Blood Stopper Kit
1 Scalpel handle #3
4 Sterile Pads, 4"x4"
2 Scalpel Baldes
10 Sterile Pads, 2"x2"
1 Skin Probe
10 Abdominal Pads, 5"x9"
2 Stainless Steel hemostats
2 Eye Pads
1 Pen Light
15 Alcohol Wipes
2 Suture Sets
15 Iodine Wipes
5 Tape, Rolls, Adhesive, 1"
15 Antiseptic BZK Wipes
2 Tongue Depressors
15 Clean Wipes
2 Airways
6 After Bite Wipes
2 Ammonia Inhalants
1 Burn Spray
1 CPR Mask
1 Petroleum jelly
2 Irrigation Syringes
1 Lip Treatment
3 Instant Ice Packs
1 Calamine Lotion, 6 oz.
6 Safety Pins
1 Sterile Flushing Solution
1 Box of Sponges, 4" x4"
1 Hand Sanitizer
1 Box of 100 Cotton Tips
1 Hand Soap
6 Pairs Latex Examination Gloves



21 posted on 02/25/2013 9:52:08 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Prepper bump.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 9:54:41 PM PST by blam
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To: Old Sarge

What did you speriment yer sewing skeelz on?

Baby pigs?

I do need to take a course like this. My aunt stitched the bottom of my foot when I wuz a lad of 11 years.

1.5”s and I don’t ever think of it.

Had stichin on my fore finger and years later cuz made into a walking zipper when a failed appendectomy resulted in me opened from pelvic bone to diaphram. pretty kewel for a couple of weeks and odd feeling when they pulled staples.

I look like eyez been in a knife fight or sumpin ...


23 posted on 02/25/2013 11:26:55 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

They had laid out pig’s feet, one to a student. So they had real flesh to work on with the needles and the staples.


24 posted on 02/25/2013 11:52:01 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Vendome

Chickens work well for suture practice and are more easily obtained. (Remove sutures before cooking.)


25 posted on 02/26/2013 1:19:14 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Old Sarge

Good info. How about a list of theirs and other comparable seminars around the country? I’m looking for one in DE-PA-MD-NJ area.


26 posted on 02/26/2013 3:27:36 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: outofsalt

Good idea. I like to roast whole chickens and turkeys.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 4:20:56 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Old Sarge

And if your bacon-on-the-hoof ever gets hurt real bad, you’ll be able to take care of it.


28 posted on 02/26/2013 4:41:45 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NTHockey; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ...
Okay, here's a list right off of Doomandbloom.net for their upcoming road show:

Lectures and Suture/Staple Classes, April 26/27 2013 Arlington TX Arlington Conv Center, times TBA

Booth June 1/2 2013 Puyallup WA Mother Earth News

Free Lecture June 8-9 Bakersfield CA, location and times TBA

29 posted on 02/26/2013 5:04:49 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge
Bttt.

5.56mm

30 posted on 02/26/2013 5:14:14 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Old Sarge

Thanks for the list of upcoming shows. I will without a doubt be attending!


31 posted on 02/26/2013 8:11:31 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Old Sarge

“The Marine also told much of what he knew about the situation in south Florida, from a prepper’s perspective (for which Sarge took copious notes)...”

As a resident of south Florida (Palm Beach County) I would love to know what this guy had to say. Can you share any of it?

Thanks in advance.


32 posted on 02/26/2013 8:42:20 AM PST by PatriotGirl827 (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee)
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To: Old Sarge

bookmark


33 posted on 02/26/2013 3:02:53 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: Old Sarge

any idea of a class similar located in the Upstate of SC or Western NC?


34 posted on 02/26/2013 3:08:49 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: Kartographer

Dump all that stuff into an ALICE pack. The M17 bag can be a PITA to move around.


35 posted on 02/26/2013 6:32:12 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Old Sarge

bttt


36 posted on 02/27/2013 9:20:28 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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