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Grammar Rebel
Shout Bits Blog ^ | 02/11/13 | Shout Bits

Posted on 02/28/2013 8:40:02 AM PST by Shout Bits

Will Rogers famously wanted his epitaph to read "I never met a man I didn't like." I sometimes turn a joke on Mr. Rogers's line, and say "I have never met anyone with good grammar I did not like." Considering today's state of affairs, grammar is an unlikely metric for kinship. The nation is overrun with a socialist fever, unsustainable government obligations, and appalling corruption. Why should grammar sit with these important issues?

Man's greatest tool in building an environment to his liking is language. Every success employs communication and retrieval of archived knowledge. Employing Standard English is the least we can do to respect the foundation of society.

Also, anyone using correct grammar is part rebel. Grammar is not effectively taught in school, so anyone employing Standard English learned it elsewhere. Standard English is rarely spoken on the street, so its use is a conscious choice that sets grammar rebels apart. There are few rewards for tense agreement or proper gerund use, so the grammar rebel must do it for sport or to set an independent standard for himself. Those who claim to rebel by tattooing themselves or squatting with Occupy types are conformist and commonplace compared to a grammar rebel.

A happy nature of Standard English is its incompatibility with Political Correctness. Because the singular object is 'his,' and PC has no imagination, most people use 'their' (e.g. 'everybody lost their investments when Ponzi was arrested'). Anyone with common sense knows that when 'everybody' and 'his' are used together, females are implied. PC militants know this too, but their motive is thought control. In 1984, George Orwell warned that language laws could be used to limit expression and thought; yet the same PC autocrats that assign Orwell to their students practice the perversion of language for political gain with no apparent ironic guilt. Anyone who still speaks Standard English or dares to use anachronisms such as 'freshman' vs. 'first year student' is a rebel who must signal danger to the PC police. PC is about limiting thought and expression so that ideology falls in line. Standard English is sublime resistance.

Grammar rebels are independent thinkers beyond PC politics. NBC anchors butcher the tool of their trade nightly, as do most newscasters. NBC news president Steve Capus resigned this month, coincident with numerous ethical scandals, including fraudulent editing of tapes to make innocent people sound racist and generally insensitive. NBC actively lies to promote its agenda, a practice well beyond ordinary bias. Bias is inevitable and universal, but active campaigns of deception are inexcusable. When a grammar rebel rejects the language of Brian Williams, it shows that he is informing himself elsewhere.

Be a grammar rebel; employ Standard English. There may be no better way of demonstrating independent thought and values on a daily basis. There may not be enough time, and certainly not enough energy to fight PC and the socialist Old Media at every turn, but a grammar rebel can stand apart without hardly never trying.

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1 posted on 02/28/2013 8:40:09 AM PST by Shout Bits
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To: Shout Bits
Where's yer grammer?

She's in the kitchen baking cookies.

2 posted on 02/28/2013 8:49:49 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Shout Bits

i enjoyed this article... thank you for sharing... i know... i purposely do not use caps (except for proper nouns) when conversing on social media... nor do i use the period... i opt for ellipses to string my words together... i do know the grammar rules for writing a solid sentence and employ them when necessary...


3 posted on 02/28/2013 8:53:57 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Shout Bits

one big, blaring grammar blunder i hear daily—from newscasters to teachers to even actors on television shows (where they follow a written script) is the use of “I” instead of “me” when following a preposition... people who should know better do not, apparently...


4 posted on 02/28/2013 9:03:32 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Shout Bits
I'd like to join Commander Riker in applauding your most excellent post:


5 posted on 02/28/2013 9:04:59 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: latina4dubya
i purposely do not use caps
nor do i use the period
i opt for ellipses to string my words together

So you're either a moron or a young child.

It must be devilish hard to be taken seriously when writing like a drooling idiot.

6 posted on 02/28/2013 9:12:32 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: latina4dubya
i opt for ellipses to string my words together...

I wholeheartedly recommend that FReepers use correct grammar online.

No matter how logical our thought-patterns are: if we use lower-case letters and ellipses as sentence-delimiters we come across as breathy serial-killers.

We have a few users of ellipse-delimited sentences on our corporate intranet. I'm sorry to say that no matter how cogent they are in person; they come across as rambling psychopaths in print because they refuse to properly signal the beginning- and end- points of their sequential thought.

7 posted on 02/28/2013 9:18:42 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Shout Bits; latina4dubya

Unfortunately, insisting on propur speling and gramer is a loosing battle...


8 posted on 02/28/2013 9:22:31 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Shout Bits
Be a grammar rebel; employ Standard English. There may be no better way of demonstrating independent thought and values on a daily basis.

Amen!

If you want my attention, step right up and earn it by expressing your thoughts intelligently.

9 posted on 02/28/2013 9:22:39 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

If I can’t clearly understand a person’s first sentence due to poor grammar, spelling, or punctuation, I don’t bother deciphering the rest. I figure if their point isn’t important enough to warrant care when posting, it isn’t important for me to read it.


10 posted on 02/28/2013 9:28:01 AM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Shout Bits

One of my pet peeves is “could of/should of” instead of “could have/should have.” I see those all the time.

Also, if I see “my bad” or (God help me) “cray-cray” again, I’ll scream.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 9:33:11 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Shout Bits

Note to PC politics I don’t got good grammar,deal with it.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 9:36:50 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Shout Bits
My grammar isn't perfect but I see it as essential.Language is one of the few things that separate us from lower species.
13 posted on 02/28/2013 9:37:57 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: latina4dubya
...the use of “I” instead of “me” when following a preposition...

The most common prepositions are "about," "above," "across," "after," "against," "along," "among," "around," "at," "before," "behind," "below," "beneath," "beside," "between," "beyond," "but," "by," "despite," "down," "during," "except," "for," "from," "in," "inside," "into," "like," "near," "of," "off," "on," "onto," "out," "outside," "over," "past," "since," "through," "throughout," "till," "to," "toward," "under," "underneath," "until," "up," "upon," "with," "within," and "without."

There simply aren't that many instances where "I" could be used in the manner you suggest. In other instances it's the only choice available.
"Since I...", for example, is the only choice that makes sense, isn't it? You wouldn't say "Since me...", would you?
In most instances the speaker would sound like an absolute idiot if they used "I" instead of "me". "About I..." or "About me..."? "Toward me..." or "toward I..."?

Perhaps you could explain further what you're trying to say.

14 posted on 02/28/2013 9:39:58 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with on. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: agere_contra
if we use lower-case letters and ellipses as sentence-delimiters we come across as breathy serial-killers.

Although my grammar,over all,isn't that bad my punctuation skills...as well as my ability to construct a paragraph...is pretty bad,as anyone familiar with my posts understands.

15 posted on 02/28/2013 9:41:41 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Shout Bits

this here be a gud post...and my regards to yer granma!

Semper watching!
*****


16 posted on 02/28/2013 9:49:56 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Shout Bits

Just because you can’t learn proper American in school or on the streets doesn’t make you a “rebel.” It makes you educated and cultured. While this has some political implications, maybe, I’m sure plenty enough of our best wordsmiths are hopeless tools of the state. One of my favorite English prose stylists, Orwell, was a socialist, for the love of liberty.


17 posted on 02/28/2013 9:55:53 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Gay State Conservative

“My grammar isn’t perfect but I see it as essential. Language is one of the few things that separate us from lower species. “

I, too, make grammar mistakes; nobody is perfect. I find that sloppy language such as the misuse of “myself” creeps in, and I have to consciously cut it out.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 10:08:20 AM PST by Shout Bits
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To: Vaduz
Note to PC politics I don’t got good grammar,deal with it.

You've got to love those "Grammar Nazis" and "Spelling Freaks" that patrol message boards and threads looking for any mistakes.

19 posted on 02/28/2013 10:10:36 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: philman_36
Perhaps you could explain further what you're trying to say.

yes--i can explain further... i can see i was not clear... it is when it is used with the pronoun, "you." for instance, "...between you and i." "she went off on you and i." "they will never make it without you and i." "those lowlifes are beneath you and i."

20 posted on 02/28/2013 10:17:41 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Shout Bits

I know that a preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with. I have been known to occasionally split an infinitive. :=)


21 posted on 02/28/2013 10:18:36 AM PST by Bob
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To: Shout Bits

I know that a preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with. I have been known to occasionally split an infinitive. :=)


22 posted on 02/28/2013 10:18:37 AM PST by Bob
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To: agere_contra
No matter how logical our thought-patterns are: if we use lower-case letters and ellipses as sentence-delimiters we come across as breathy serial-killers.

hahahaha!

btw--i hear you... i've been doing the ellipses thing since i first started using email back in 1989 or so... and i would never do this in a formal email, corporate correspondence, etc... and even if i am sending a very causal email, i do take into consideration the recipient... if i think my casualness will come across as offensive, i opt for proper writing...

23 posted on 02/28/2013 10:22:51 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: humblegunner
So you're either a moron or a young child. It must be devilish hard to be taken seriously when writing like a drooling idiot.

oh humblegunner... we've had this conversation numerous times... if those comments were coming from someone other than you, i would care... btw--do tell, my fellow drooling idiot, why do you not capitalize "humblegunner?"

p.s--i do not have the problem of being taken seriously here nor anywhere else... but you do have that problem... i witness it often...

24 posted on 02/28/2013 10:28:39 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya
... i can see i was not clear...
That's an understatement.

"...between you and i." "she went off on you and i." "they will never make it without you and i." "those lowlifes are beneath you and i."

I understand now. That's a far cry from your initial statement. Your examples are single issue examples. It's more the simple misuse of "I vs me" than anything else.

25 posted on 02/28/2013 10:35:05 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with on. Benjamin Franklin)
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26 posted on 02/28/2013 10:46:16 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Slump Tester

27 posted on 02/28/2013 10:48:54 AM PST by Cuttnhorse (God made man but Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: philman_36
I understand now. That's a far cry from your initial statement. Your examples are single issue examples. It's more the simple misuse of "I vs me" than anything else.

yes--i admitted to not being clear in my initial response... i am in the middle of a couple of important tasks, but i wanted to share mis dos centavos... and i did it without being as thoughtful as i should have been... i am very sorry for both the inconvenience and the angst i have caused you...

28 posted on 02/28/2013 10:49:45 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya
do tell, my fellow drooling idiot, why do you not capitalize "humblegunner?"

Because when I first got the name, I couldn't afford any capital letters.

29 posted on 02/28/2013 10:51:55 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: latina4dubya
i am very sorry for both the inconvenience and the angst i have caused you...

Why do you presume that you've caused me either angst or inconvenience?

It appears, judging by your caustic retort, more that you're simply miffed because somebody challenged you and forced you to clarify yourself.

But, then again, I could be wrong.

30 posted on 02/28/2013 11:04:10 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: humblegunner

It appears you can’t afford much of anything.


31 posted on 02/28/2013 11:07:47 AM PST by scripter
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To: humblegunner
Because when I first got the name, I couldn't afford any capital letters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

32 posted on 02/28/2013 11:08:11 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: latina4dubya
As to why I didn't capitalize philman_36, just in case you're curious, I'm unconventional at the time and place of my own choosing.
33 posted on 02/28/2013 11:13:22 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Shout Bits

Hear! Hear!


34 posted on 02/28/2013 11:18:20 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: scripter
It appears you can’t afford much of anything.

Send money.

35 posted on 02/28/2013 11:21:46 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: philman_36
It appears, judging by your caustic retort, more that you're simply miffed because somebody challenged you and forced you to clarify yourself.

i am very sorry... i am not at all miffed... i have no problem clarifying anything i am not clear about... i agree i was not clear, and indeed owed further explanation... rethinking this, i should not have used the word angst... it's just that because i was not initially clear, i caused you to go through the trouble of listing all of those pronouns, and caused you to think of ways in which, what i first said, would apply...

i appreciate your pointing out to me that what i first said did not make sense... i do not revel in trying to be "right," when i am not... i appreciate correction when and where i need it... so thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain myself... again, i am truly sorry...

36 posted on 02/28/2013 11:23:22 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: humblegunner
I'm unconventional at the time and place of my own choosing.

...something we have in common!

37 posted on 02/28/2013 11:25:16 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: humblegunner

What you’re missing can’t be purchased with money.


38 posted on 02/28/2013 11:55:02 AM PST by scripter
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To: latina4dubya
i am not at all miffed

Thanks for clarifying that. I'm glad you aren't. I hope you can understand why, and how, I came to that presumption.

...I'm unconventional at the time and place of my own choosing.

That was my statement, not someone else.
You've assigned it, and attributed it, to the wrong person.

...something we have in common!

Perhaps.

39 posted on 02/28/2013 12:00:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: latina4dubya
As philman_36 stated, I'm unconventional at the time and place of my own choosing as well.
40 posted on 02/28/2013 12:04:56 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dragonblustar

There are those who (in your words) “patrol” threads looking for the least offense. I personally am not one of those.

However: there are those of us who are reading threads and find most egregious grammatical errors and comment about those same errors.

Those who love our language are always going to take offense when a major misspeak occurs. I GRATE every time I hear the word “decimate” used when the writer means “destroyed, obliterated, utterly ravaged, razed to the ground”.

Decimate literally means “reduced by 1 in 10”, for heaven’s sake!

“Irregardless” is as much a word as “irredundant!” You either mean *regardless* or *irrelevant*.

There, their, and they’re MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS!

Rant off. I have dozens of grammatical/spelling issues, but I have to get back to work tonight.


41 posted on 02/28/2013 12:07:23 PM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“cray-cray”?

You’ve got me there, what could that possibly mean?


42 posted on 02/28/2013 12:08:18 PM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: Shout Bits

Yea, i agre :-)


43 posted on 02/28/2013 12:08:44 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
21 Beatles songs - same 3 chords (A D E)
44 posted on 02/28/2013 12:14:22 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: humblegunner
"It must be devilishly difficult to be taken seriously when writing like a drooling idiot."

There you are! I repaired it for you! ROFL

45 posted on 02/28/2013 12:16:17 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Politicalmom

“If I can’t clearly understand a person’s first sentence due to poor grammar, spelling, or punctuation, I don’t bother deciphering the rest. I figure if their point isn’t important enough to warrant care when posting, it isn’t important for me to read it.”

i agre


46 posted on 02/28/2013 12:18:16 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Shout Bits
I, too, make grammar mistakes; nobody is perfect. I find that sloppy language such as the misuse of “myself” creeps in,

*********************************

I must confess that the improper use of the word "myself" is something that drives me bonkers. I have another pet peeve, which is that few people today seem to use the words "that", "have" and "of", other than when they use them incorrectly.

I've also recently heard quite a few people on various TV shows say "I'm oona" instead of "I'm going to", which makes me cringe.

47 posted on 02/28/2013 12:20:23 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Shout Bits

Predictable jokes, predictable responses from militant illiterates. They’ve got their reasons, doncha know!


48 posted on 02/28/2013 12:21:06 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: dragonblustar

“You’ve got to love those “Grammar Nazis” and “Spelling Freaks” that patrol message boards and threads looking for any mistakes.”

Hay! watch it ther! Do’t git I involved in ths!


49 posted on 02/28/2013 12:22:26 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: trisham

I should of said that. ;-) Before anybody has a cow, this is satire.


50 posted on 02/28/2013 12:50:57 PM PST by scripter
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