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All Of This Whining And Crying About The Sequester Shows Why America Is Doomed
TEC ^ | 03/02/2013 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 03/03/2013 6:47:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind

CryingIf we can't even cut federal spending by 2.4 percent without much of the country throwing an absolute hissy fit, then what hope does America have? All of this whining and crying about the sequester is absolutely disgraceful. The truth is that even if the sequester goes into effect, the U.S. government will still take in more money than ever before in 2013 and it will still spend more money than ever before in 2013. So it is a bit disingenuous to call what is about to happen "a spending cut", but for the sake of argument let's concede that point. Even if the budget really was being "cut" by 85 billion dollars, that only would only amount to a "cut" of 2.4 percent to federal spending. It would barely make a dent in the federal budget deficit for 2013. The U.S. government would still accumulate about as much new debt in fiscal year 2013 as it did in all the years from the inauguration of George Washington to the inauguration of Ronald Reagan combined. Our debt to GDP ratio would continue to soar. The sequester cuts would essentially only be a minor bump on the road to financial oblivion. But if you listen to Barack Obama and his allies, they would have you believe that we are facing a great national crisis because of these impending cuts. They would have you believe that hundreds of thousands of people will lose their jobs and that many government agencies will no longer be able to operate effectively. They would have you believe that "granny won't get her lunch" and "roofs blown off by Hurricane Sandy won't get repaired". Well, if all of that is true, then what in the world would our country look like if we actually cut a trillion dollars from the federal budget this year and started living within our means?

Have you ever known people that are already hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and yet go out and regularly blow thousands more dollars on wild shopping sprees?

Such debt addicts may be very proud of their new homes, their new cars, their new clothes and all of their fancy electronic gadgets, but it was all purchased with debt. When a "day of reckoning" finally arrives, many debt addicts lose absolutely everything and end up in the street.

That is what America is like today.

Our politicians like to show off all of the stuff that our government is spending money on, but the truth is that we are spending gigantic mountains of money that we simply do not have. We are literally stealing from our kids and our grandkids so that we can continue to enjoy a massively inflated standard of living that we have not earned.

But we can't stop ourselves. Americans are absolutely addicted to big government. They want a gigantic government that sends out free money to more than 100 million Americans every month, but they absolutely do not want to pay for it. They would rather steal money from their children and their grandchildren to pay for it.

This has got to stop, because we are literally destroying the future of this country.

If Americans really want a massively bloated government that takes care of everyone from the cradle to the grave then they should pay for it.

If Americans don't want to pay for it, then they should reduce the size of the government to a level where they are willing to pay for it.

But stealing money from future generations of Americans to pay our bills is absolutely disgraceful.

As I talked about in a previous article, we are stealing more than 100 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.

Is there anyone out there that is willing to stand up and defend that kind of theft?

But the vast majority of Americans don't want to do anything to stop it, because they don't want to harm "the economy" (i.e. our ridiculously bloated standard of living).

Will the sequester cuts hurt the economy a bit?

Of course.

Government spending cuts always hurt the economy.

If we raised taxes to help pay the bills that the federal government has been racking up, would that hurt the economy?

Of course.

Tax increases always hurt the economy.

But if we continue on the path that we are today, America is doomed.

The U.S. national debt is the biggest single debt in the history of the world. It is now more than 16.6 trillion dollars, and it has gotten more than 23 times larger since Jimmy Carter first entered the White House.

If our politicians suddenly decided to go to a balanced budget today, our debt-fueled "bubble economy" would disappear and we would immediately plunge into a deep economic depression.

Do the American people have the character to be able to handle that kind of an "adjustment" to our standard of living?

Of course not.

That is why so many of our politicians are scared to death of doing anything about the debt.

And even these small sequester "cuts" are freaking everyone out. Many of our politicians and many in the mainstream media are openly declaring that "the sky is falling". Just check out the following short excerpt from a recent New York Times article...

The owner of a Missouri smokehouse that makes beef jerky is worried about a slowdown in food safety inspections. A Montana school district is drawing up a list of teachers who could face layoffs. Officials at an Arizona border station fear that lines to cross the border could lengthen. And if Olympic National Park in Washington cannot hire enough workers to plow backcountry trails, they may stay closed until the snow melts in July.

But that is nothing compared to what others are saying. CNN is declaring that if the sequester cuts happen, "granny won't get her lunch" and "roofs blown off by Hurricane Sandy won't get repaired".

And check out these ominous warnings from Barack Obama about what will happen if the sequester cuts go into effect...

"Emergency responders like the ones who are here today -- their ability to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded. Border Patrol agents will see their hours reduced. FBI agents will be furloughed. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find childcare for their kids. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings."

The Obama administration has even decided to release hundreds of illegal immigrants in anticipation of the cuts...

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have released “several hundred” immigrants from deportation centers across the country, saying the move is an effort to cut costs ahead of budget cuts due to hit later this week.

Announcing the news Tuesday, ICE officials said that the immigrants were released under supervision and continue to face deportation. After reviewing hundreds of cases, those released were considered low-risk and “noncriminal,” officials said.

The claims about the sequester cuts just seem to get more ridiculous with each passing day. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is warning that the cuts will make the U.S. more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, and Obama recently decided not to send an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf because of "budget concerns".

Apparently he sees no problem with using the U.S. military to score political points.

And Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke says that the budget cuts will result in "less actual deficit reduction in the short run".

Really?

How stupid do they think we all are?

Yes, the sequester cuts will have an impact on the economy, but they won't cause the sky to fall.

The following is what the CBO says the economic impact of the cuts is likely to be...

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the cuts will cost 750,000 jobs and hit growth by 0.6 percentage points, assuming the cuts remain in effect for the remainder of the fiscal year. Some economists expect a slightly bigger impact.

Remember, these are actually very small cuts.

In fact, according to U.S. Representative Lynn Jenkins, the U.S. government will actually be spending more money in 2013 than it did in 2012 even if the sequester cuts go into effect...

“There’s a fact that says we are going to take in more money this fiscal year than we have ever taken in before,” Jenkins said. “The budget this year, we will spend more money this year than we spent last year even if the sequester goes into effect. We will spend more money even if the sequester goes into effect.”

So why is everyone whining and crying over such a very small amount of money?

If you want to get upset about something, why not get upset about things that are increasing our debt by trillions of dollars?

For example, according to a Government Accountability Office report that was just released, Obamacare is going to cause the federal debt to rise by $6.2 trillion.

Why aren't more people getting upset over that?

Sadly, it is because America is a debt addict. Most Americans don't really care much when federal spending skyrockets out of control, but if anyone tries to slow down the spending a little bit they throw hissy fits.

And please don't tell me that "the big government Republicans" are much better than "the big government Democrats" on budget issues. The Republicans have caved in and have gone along with all of this wild spending every single time.

On March 27th, they will have another opportunity to do something. That is when the current continuing resolution expires.

At that time, the Republicans could refuse to pass anything but a balanced budget.

Or they could at least refuse to pass anything except a budget that would cut the federal budget deficit in half.

But they won't do anything once again. They will cave in and go along with the status quo because they are cowards.

So we will continue to rip off future generations to fuel our current bloated standard of living.

Thomas Jefferson understood that government borrowing is theft from future generations. He once made the following statement....

And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

Shame on you Democrats.

Shame on you Republicans.

Shame on you America.

You are destroying the future of America for your own selfish reasons.

If future generations get the chance, they will look back on what you did to them and they will curse you for it.

For much more on our exploding national debt, please see the following article: "55 Facts About The Debt And U.S. Government Finances That Every American Voter Should Know".

Not that living within our means would be easy.

Like I said, it would mean a deep economic depression, and it would also likely mean a tremendous amount of societal chaos.

Even now, while we are still living in the boom times, things are really starting to get crazy out there. Just check out what is going on in Oakland...

Oakland’s crime problems have gotten so bad that some people aren’t even bothering to call the cops anymore; instead, they’re trying to solve and prevent crimes themselves.

KPIX 5 cameras caught up with a half dozen neighbors in East Oakland’s Arcadia Park neighborhood Monday as they walked the streets on the lookout for crime. The vigilance has never seemed more necessary than now; 25 homes in the neighborhood have been burglarized over the last two months alone.

In a neighborhood that has started to feel like the wild west, people have even started posting “wanted” signs.

“You have to walk around in your house with a gun to feel safe here,” said Alaska Tarvins of the Arcadia Park Board of Directors.

If this is how bad things are now, how bad will they be when a day of reckoning for our economy arrives?

And a day of reckoning is coming.

Our politicians can try to keep kicking the can down the road for as long as they can, but eventually time will run out. Just take a look at what is happening in Greece and Spain. Meanwhile, all of this can kicking is just making the eventual crisis even worse.

We can borrow our way to prosperity for a while, but in the end there is always a very bitter price to pay for doing so.

I would love to tell you that there is a chance that all of this will be turned around, but the truth is that all of this whining and crying about the sequester shows that America is doomed.

I hope that you are getting ready.

Cry



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Society
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1 posted on 03/03/2013 6:47:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The president himself has caused the fears and whining by flying around the country beating the drums of doom.


2 posted on 03/03/2013 6:51:18 AM PST by Rapscallion (The people sense what Obama has in store for America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As long as the low information Obama voter base continues to grow, we are toast as America.


3 posted on 03/03/2013 6:53:35 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

And a day of reckoning is coming.
Obama&Co at it finest.


4 posted on 03/03/2013 6:54:21 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Can you imagine Reagan doing this?


5 posted on 03/03/2013 7:01:56 AM PST by dubyajam (t "Life is Hard ... It's Even Harder When you're Stupid" --- John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind
The truth is that even if the sequester goes into effect, the U.S. government will still take in more money than ever before in 2013...

Aha! So it's NOT a revenue problem.

Somebody should ping Ubama. Somebody's been feeding him false information.

6 posted on 03/03/2013 7:04:06 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Te?xas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

You have to wonder why they use the word, “sequester,” instead of “budget cuts.”


7 posted on 03/03/2013 7:05:21 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You have to wonder why they use the word, “sequestration,” instead of “budget cuts.”


8 posted on 03/03/2013 7:05:45 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: KeyLargo

They’re not “low information voters”. They’re ignorant, lazy, indifferent, and/or apathetic parasites. There’s no reason to parrot some idiotic “phraseology” in describing these worthless POS socialist-loving scumbags, just because Rush is too gutless to say what they actually represent.


9 posted on 03/03/2013 7:05:56 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101

“Obama voter base continues to grow, we are toast as America.”

If you find that distasteful then my opinion stands as:

“Obama voter base continues to grow, we are toast as America.”

Get back to me when Hillary is President in four years.


10 posted on 03/03/2013 7:14:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Jack Hydrazine
You have to wonder why they use the word, “sequester,” instead of “budget cuts.”

Because they're not budget cuts. They're reductions in the amount of annual spending; these departments are all receiving more funding than they received last year, just not as much as they were expecting. In addition, they keep using the word "sequester" because the a$$ clown empty suit believes that he has successfully convinced the ignorant masses, with the willing assistance of his media propogandists, to lay the blame of the detrimental effects he plans to unleash on the clueless and gutless Repukelicans.

11 posted on 03/03/2013 7:14:34 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine what will happen when the time comes (not if, when...) where we are forced into having serious cuts like Greece and all the people receiving welfare, social security, and retired as well as current government employees receive their check and it’s half what it was the month before....


12 posted on 03/03/2013 7:15:23 AM PST by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind
"I hope that you are getting ready."

I see more and more people making some type of preparations.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 7:15:53 AM PST by blam
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To: KeyLargo

There is a moment approaching when we shall have to, as a nation, decide if this mutual suicide pact covering the territory known as “the United States of America” shall continue on its trajectory, or a number of small republics get spun off as the burden of governance becomes too great for any possible recovery.

There is a possible solution in that the electoral map of the most recent voting patterns be separated by “red” and “blue” regions. The “red” region, which is nearly contiguous, could be resolved and consolidated into one republic, while the “blue” regions, scattered and badly fragmented, may have to be constituted as a number of separate little republics. The “red” region would be dedicated to maintaining the spirit and meaning of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution as originally written, and amended as needed over the years (leaving out the 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments, and eliminating the 21st, which was only necessary because of the 18th).

The “blue” republics could go ahead and form whatever cockamamie set of rules they wanted to operate under. But NOBODY could come from these little “blue” republics and try to change the governance of the “red” region.

Low-information voters in the “red” region would be exiled, forcibly if necessary, to one of the “blue” republics.


14 posted on 03/03/2013 7:18:24 AM PST by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is already trying to walk back the fear mongering from“immediate, painful spending cuts”a week ago because he was trying to scare people into supporting a repeal of sequester and trying to intimidate the Republicans into caving to him once again to “It’s conceivable that in the first week, the first two weeks, the first three weeks, the first month … a lot of people may not notice the full impact of the sequester” when they held firm under the weight of the propaganda war. I don’t know if the GOP could have won political points with a backbone in the past, but this is sure a damn good place to start.


15 posted on 03/03/2013 7:23:22 AM PST by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind

No one seems to want to recognize that we are on the ‘Titanic’ and all this sequestration crap etc. is just chair arranging.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 7:23:39 AM PST by Misterioso (The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap. - Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm pretty sure that the entire ‘sequester’ cut could be covered by simply ending every federally paid employee health program and instead handing a check to each employee for the federal contribution made in FY 2011. Employees could go out and buy whatever health insurance they wanted, and pocket the difference. Exception would be active duty soldiers.

Additional ‘cuts’ that would help: Limit federal worker holidays to 7 each year, cap vacations at 2 weeks per year, cap rollovers of sick days to two weeks, end retirement benefits for any appointed or elected official, end health benefits for any employee, appointed or elected official who earns more than $100k, etc.

But of course, that's not how the ‘cuts’ will go in. They will be targeted to have the maximum impact on the public. Why stop the coffee service at the federal office and replace the $100 a month coffee maker with a $20 Mr. Coffee when you can reduce by 20% the number of TSA agents conducting illegal searches of citizens at the airport?

Always, the onus is on the public to make ‘sacrifices’ upon the altar of federal employee largess.

Yes, I know the biggest cost in the federal budget is ‘entitlements’. But maybe, just maybe, if our elected officials had to pay for that latte instead of thinking THEY were entitled to it, they MIGHT just start thinking like a normal citizen again.

17 posted on 03/03/2013 7:23:51 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sequester


18 posted on 03/03/2013 7:25:36 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Rapscallion

The last 4 years have done tons more damage than this puny sequester. It’s just another straw upon the back to find out where the breaking point is.


19 posted on 03/03/2013 7:26:25 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

What really spelled doom for the country was the balance-shift of ‘takers’ overwhelming ‘makers.’ That, and America’s continued downward spiral into cultural degeneracy, as symbolized by the push for homo marriage. The country is a pathetic shadow of what it once was. The question for me has gradually been changing from ‘how’ to salvage the country to whether, at this point, there’s anything left of it even worth salvaging.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 7:27:59 AM PST by greene66
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To: SeekAndFind
If we can't even cut federal spending by 2.4 percent without much of the country throwing an absolute hissy fit, then what hope does America have? All of this whining and crying about the sequester is absolutely disgraceful.

You keep posting these "happy happy joy joy" threads about the Sequester, when the first line of this drivel sounds like the drumbeat propaganda from Sean Hannity.

He does not seem to able to apply 4th grade math concepts.

It isn't 2.4% across the board - 62% of all mandatory entitlement spending is EXEMPT.

You know this because I have told you so.

It hits the military with a 13% cut in the middle of a fiscal year, and most of that cut has to come from Operations and Maintenance, which will be gutted.

Sequestration only touches 1/3 of our budget, which is discretionary spending.

Do you not fathom these facts, or are you just being disingenuous?

21 posted on 03/03/2013 7:28:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: kingu

“...if our elected officials had to pay for that latte...”

They don’t, and neither do their constituents.

They’ve all brought themselves to the position of being brilliant, intellectual geniuses who are above the rest of humanity in their superiority, and everyone else has to pay for the honor of having them around.

Isnt’t it marvelous to have these beings dictating to everyone else? (Absolutely marvelous, darling.)

/S/

IMHO


22 posted on 03/03/2013 7:33:55 AM PST by ripley
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To: Texas Eagle

The amount taken in and the amount going out are two different things now. A better statement would be despite the screaming about these cuts they still amount to less than 10% of the annual deficit. Even with the sequester we will still have a deficit that is higher than any President before Obama. The 2009 deficit liberals try to blame on Bush wasn’t voted on until Obama was in office, and included the disastrous stimulus waste for nothing.


23 posted on 03/03/2013 7:34:46 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is enough blame to go around but I believe the group most responsible for allowing us to get into this condition are the members of the news media.

Our founding fathers gave they special protection in the Constitution with the understanding that they would be the last defense against a corrupt government.

However, instead of being watch dogs they have become lap dogs.

They no longer “report” or “investigate” stories, they promote what ever the socialist in government want, and demonize anyone that dares challenge them.

Since socialism can not possibly work, this house of cards they have built will eventually collapse. When that happens there is going to be turmoil and when that happens no will be able to predict the outcome. I somehow do not think they will enjoy this brave new world they have created.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 7:35:13 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: alloysteel
Low-information voters in the “red” region would be exiled, forcibly if necessary, to one of the “blue” republics.

So. the 'solution' is a dictatorship? That's what's coming but there is no way to predict what life will be like for us.

25 posted on 03/03/2013 7:36:35 AM PST by Misterioso (The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just wait until real cuts come.
The ones that will not reward you for having unwanted fatherless children, cutting back on foodstamps and medicare and medicaid. When the money runs out to pay unemployment what will people do? There will be cut backs in social security and obama phones will be a thing of the past.

This little cut is nothing.


26 posted on 03/03/2013 7:37:54 AM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s like I’ve been saying, Obama is just a symptom of the disease. It is the American voter that has gotten us into this predicament.


27 posted on 03/03/2013 7:38:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jack Hydrazine
You have to wonder why they use the word, “sequestration,” instead of “budget cuts.”

A caller to the Mark Levin show pointed out that “sequester” means "kidnap" or "hijack" in Spanish. Food for thought.

28 posted on 03/03/2013 7:46:25 AM PST by matt1234
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To: SeekAndFind; Madame Dufarge
I'm 69, Dufarge is... nevermind, but we're both on SS (legit, not SSI :O) ) and Medicare and we'd both gladly go for some kind of reform in both programs.

My opinion is this; they robbed SS for years, opened Pandora's Box when SSI, originally meant for minors robbed of a working parent through death or dismemberment, was degraded to the point where drunks, junkies and fat people with "anxieties" live the life of Riley on the taxpayers back.

W tried getting SS reform on the agenda, but iirc 911 intervened and by the time reform got near the table again the Rats had retrenched.

As for Medicare, imo it should never have come into existance.

I could go on a full blown rant here on GodGov omnicience, prescience and all around general wonderfulness but the preacher/choir thing reins me in.

29 posted on 03/03/2013 7:47:15 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: SeekAndFind
All Of This Whining And Crying About The Sequester Shows Why America Is Doomed

Geez, the whining and crying is coming from a fraction of a few percent of the population and most of that fraction are Democrat news media types or Democrat politicians.
30 posted on 03/03/2013 7:49:48 AM PST by aruanan
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To: SeekAndFind

In their personal lives,every one of those elected officials ( with the exception of Hussein) knows that you start with LUXURIES when cutting back on expenses-not necessities. You don’t tell the kid they can’t have dinner so you can go to the Superbowl. So why aren’t these politicians cutting foreign aid and $ to the United Nations before cutting the pay of Joe Sixpack?? Would they rather enrage millions of American citizens before our enemies( who are perpetually outraged anyway?) If that’s what they want- they’ll get it. They are CHOOSING to hurt those at the bottom-and eventually Les Miserables will rise up.

Let everyone in Congress and the Senate work for a token amount-most are lawyers with lucrative careers anyway. Hell, let’em go on foodstamps, see how it feels! The fact is there is a large percentage of WORKING Americans who already know how to do a lot with very little-and do it every day. They will survive. It’s the instant gratification and government Iphone crowd that will suffer most. They can’t survive on potatoes and eggs, they HAVE to have steak and beer and satellite TV. This can only end one way...the way all totalitarian dictatorships do.


31 posted on 03/03/2013 7:50:12 AM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d feel disgraced by the Americans whining about these “cuts” but they already sucked what disgrace I had left out of me by putting that retard in the White House.


32 posted on 03/03/2013 7:53:12 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of the biggest problems, in every country dealing with debt crisis, is that the fiscal situation ever got to the point of crisis in the first place. Hard decisions, belt tightening etc. needed to be done long ago, when it was easier to implement without having major impact on peoples lives. People adjust, but adjustment is much easier when done over time rather than overnight.

I'm quite sure there are loyal FReepers who believe in limited government, personal responsibility, and economic freedom who have been or are going to be affected by decreased government spending (e.g. government grants, medicare payments, decreased military salaries and/or benefits, loss of government contracts etc.). We all understand the necessity of doing these things, but when politicians, and those who vote for them, kick the can down the road incessantly, or use federal dollars to buy votes, they put us all in the position of ultimately having to deal with the inevitable financial issues in a ‘crisis’ situation. Just another example of irresponsibility.

33 posted on 03/03/2013 7:58:05 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: kingu

Spoken like a true MORON. Free coffeemakers, where does that BS come from. We bought our own coffeemaker and coffee is $0.25/cup to pay for coffee and repairs to the coffeemaker. Okay this is a small point, but Idiots like you who don’t know the truth sound just like the rest of the low informed voters. As a 24yr DoD federal worker I for one am sick and tired of being the target of jealous, ignorant, uninformed, simple minded idiots at the end of a keyboard. Damned Right, CUT ENTITLEMENTS!! Starve the leaches and illegals, then we can talk cuts to the rest of teh budget.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 7:58:49 AM PST by OHPatriot (I WILL NOT COMPLY !!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The country is not whining and crying, the corrupt politicians are because there is nothing left to steal.

Sucks to be them...


35 posted on 03/03/2013 8:00:27 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All of this is drama is based solely on the fact that the political class let one of their schemes to bilk more money out of the people get out of control, and a few people in congress took it and ran with it. Obama whines and threatens, boehner cries crocodile tears, and the sleight of hand drama goes on and on. 85 billion is a drop in the bucket for the feds. This is all about control; a race to blame those who lost it, and a strategy on how to get it back.


36 posted on 03/03/2013 8:04:58 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: OHPatriot
As a 24yr DoD federal worker I for one am sick and tired of being the target of jealous, ignorant, uninformed, simple minded idiots at the end of a keyboard.

Why thank you for informing me how your office is somehow different from every federal office I've ever visited. It's good to know that someone out there has just a tiny bit of responsibility. As your employer, I also greatly appreciate your gracious correction.

37 posted on 03/03/2013 8:27:34 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: metesky

“I’m 69, Dufarge is... nevermind, but we’re both on SS (legit, not SSI :O) ) and Medicare and we’d both gladly go for some kind of reform in both programs.”

I agree.

However those that think like us conservatives are in the minority of our generation that spawned the likes of the Clintons and their followers and the current Obama senior administration advisors and officials that grew up in the 60s.

We are outnumbered by those millions of us in early baby boomer generation that grew up in the “Me” era and now want millions in the generations that have followed to pay for all of their excesses.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 8:39:40 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: dfwgator

What concerns me is the inevitable blood-in-the-streets crisis. I have no doubt that very small group of determined communists have a plan in place to (attempt) to take power. I hope we have equally prepared patriots with plans in place to defeat them.


39 posted on 03/03/2013 8:41:34 AM PST by HogsBreath
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To: greene66

What really spelled doom for the country was the balance-shift of ‘takers’ overwhelming ‘makers.’ That, and America’s continued downward spiral into cultural degeneracy, as symbolized by the push for homo marriage. The country is a pathetic shadow of what it once was. The question for me has gradually been changing from ‘how’ to salvage the country to whether, at this point, there’s anything left of it even worth salvaging.

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And it all comes down to these two things: uncontrolled immigration and demographics. They are getting in, and they are having babies, at an unsustainable rate. Americans are still having babies, but only as many as they can truly afford — unlike the immigrants, who have as many as they want and expect the State to take care of them.

THIS is it. THIS is what’s killing us, and what will finish us off in the end — in addition to the chain migration as well.

No cuts to Medicaid ..nosiree! Medicaid is going to BALLOON. Same thing in Europe. Everyone knows it, but no one talks about it or want to fight it in any way.


40 posted on 03/03/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: SeekAndFind

“This has got to stop, because we are literally destroying the future of this country.”

Not gonna happen. Just keep buying food and ammo.


41 posted on 03/03/2013 9:10:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"If we actually cut a trillion dollars from the federal budget this year and started living within our means?"

Hey if your family was short of 'means' you wouldn't put your family on cat food and throw grandma off the bridge. You would find another way to increase your means. Tariffs works for me on these boatloads of tax-free goods.

42 posted on 03/03/2013 9:21:20 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: HogsBreath
I have no doubt that very small group of determined communists have a plan in place to (attempt) to take power.

Huh? That small group of determined Communists you speak of, already pulled off their coup in 2008. We're living under their dictatorship now.

43 posted on 03/03/2013 10:04:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Misterioso

Why would anyone think that exile of individuals that have no interest in and are unwilling to support the aims and objectives of the locality where he resides is the definition of a “dictatorship”?

Low-information voters are by definition those who have no interest in and no support for the aims and ideals that founded the country they found themselves in.


44 posted on 03/03/2013 10:04:45 AM PST by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: Common Sense 101

Cuts, reductions...what else can you name it as other than what it really is?


45 posted on 03/03/2013 10:09:15 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: matt1234

So what would Obama and the Dems be kidnapping or hijacking?


46 posted on 03/03/2013 10:11:01 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Windflier

The gloves are still on. It will take riots or something similar to get ‘real’ communism. Night arrests, road blocks, travel papers, charges for thought crimes, etc.


47 posted on 03/03/2013 10:31:54 AM PST by HogsBreath
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To: SeekAndFind
The "Greece syndrom" has finally hit the US.

Every cut will now be demogogued by the liberals/commies just as they were in Greece.

48 posted on 03/03/2013 10:40:42 AM PST by what's up
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To: HogsBreath
It will take riots or something similar to get ‘real’ communism. Night arrests, road blocks, travel papers, charges for thought crimes, etc.

They'll never pull that off without disarming the citizens first. Good luck with that.

49 posted on 03/03/2013 10:40:42 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Misterioso; alloysteel

alloysteel wrote:
“Low-information voters in the “red” region would be exiled, forcibly if necessary, to one of the “blue” republics.”

And Misterioso replied:
“So. the ‘solution’ is a dictatorship? That’s what’s coming but there is no way to predict what life will be like for us.”

I’ve posted for quite some time here on FR about a possible breakup of America into several “red” and “blue” areas.

I’ve also posted about how with the continuing “polarization” of the nation, we will see an increasing migration of citizens (of both red and blue persuasions) towards the areas that will best serve them.

I can’t say whether “dictatorship” is a solution, but there will certainly need to be some “strong coercion” to persuade “those of the blue” (i.e., the “low-information” types) that their lot would be better off in the blue areas. Such cooercion could include the removal of ALL “benefits” to which they may now “entitled”, perhaps even providing a “transportation stipend” and “papers out”. Remember that after a separation, we will no longer be “one nation”, but several nations, with real “international borders” between.

Misterioso, you really don’t expect that we could somehow magically transform those “low-information voters and benefit consumers” into productive citizens, do you?
Well… do you?


50 posted on 03/03/2013 10:46:32 AM PST by Road Glide
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