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Colorado Dem To Rape Survivor At Gun Hearing: “Statistics Aren’t On Your Side”
Dana Loesch Radio ^ | March 5, 2013 | Dana Loesch

Posted on 03/05/2013 6:41:51 AM PST by george76

During the hearing for the state’s proposed college campus gun ban, rape survivor Amanda Collins bravely shared her story of survival.

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who explained how she wished she’d had a firearm to defend herself from her rapist. Said Collins:

“As I live with the memory, weighted with the question of my life: ‘What would have been different if I had been carrying the weapon I was licensed to carry that night?’ I would like to leave you with a question: ‘How does rendering me defenseless protect you against a violent crime?’”

Hudak conflated martial arts with firearm defense without realizing that one of these tactics requires close contact with an attacker, a physical deflection. Hudak’s prejudiced characterization of women and firearms is reminiscent of Colorado Rep. Joe Salazar’s sexist remark that women were simply too hysterical to own firearms.

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Hudak’s argument that a woman could be disarmed and her firearm used on her flies in the face of FBI crime statistics and presupposes that the woman won’t fire and/or is incapable of properly using a firearm. See, Amanda Collins was overpowered, disarmed, and left to be a victim. By Nevada lawmakers. Not her rapist. Just what Hudak said would happen, though not exactly.

Quite a dangerous thing to disarm women and create more rape victims based on a dangerous, baseless assumption.

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1 posted on 03/05/2013 6:41:56 AM PST by george76
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To: george76
What is wrong with these people?! Liberalism IS a mental disease!
2 posted on 03/05/2013 6:47:14 AM PST by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: george76

Liberals will say and do just about anything to institute Socialism and Communism. Its not about equality, its about controlling the masses and keeping them under their thumbs.


3 posted on 03/05/2013 6:48:21 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: george76

I wonder how many politicians would enjoy someone else telling them what will work in their life without having to worry about the consequences of being wrong.


4 posted on 03/05/2013 6:51:38 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Casie

Have you noticed how many people on the left have or get that same “WIDE EYED” look on their face when they get challenged, as the recent mass killers?


5 posted on 03/05/2013 6:59:16 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: george76
Wow, that B***H deserves to be confronted and face the fear that this raped woman faced....without a means to defend herself. We'd see how quickly she would change her tune.

Democrat Senator Evie Hudak responded:
I just want to say, statistics are not on your side, even if you had had a gun. You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experience in taekwondo, and yet because this individual was so large and was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get than from you na possibly use it against you …”

Evie Hudak is just plain stupid and EVIL.
6 posted on 03/05/2013 6:59:16 AM PST by Girlene
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To: george76

It is irrelevant,even if it is TRUE, that a woman with a gun will likely have that gun used against her by a rapist or attacker.

The government has zero rights or powers to deny a person their choice of self-defense, even if they have chosen a poor or imperfect in unworkable self-defense.


7 posted on 03/05/2013 6:59:56 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: george76

Hudak is unmitigated evil.


8 posted on 03/05/2013 7:01:55 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Casie

I hope we can find a cure for leftism


9 posted on 03/05/2013 7:02:25 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: vetvetdoug

Being able to defend yourself against criminals
engenders too much “non-dependence” on the state
and makes you dangerous to the Statists.

They PREFER that you are defenseless against criminals.
It makes you more docile.


10 posted on 03/05/2013 7:02:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Casie
What is wrong with these people?! Liberalism IS a mental disease!

Calling leftist extremism a disease poses a problem: most of the people who suffer and die as a result of the disease don't have it. Well over 200 million people were deliberately murdered by their own leftist governments during the past century. Who has the disease? Who dies of it?

Calling leftist extremism a form of evil like slavery or Jim Crow racial segregation seems to simplify the problem.

11 posted on 03/05/2013 7:12:24 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: george76

‘How does rendering me defenseless protect you against a violent crime?’, Amanda Collins, rape victim.

Well stated, Ms. Collins.


12 posted on 03/05/2013 7:17:21 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Casie

I read this as “Colorado democrat to rape survivor at gun hearing.”
The den was going to rape a survivor of gun violence at the hearing. I believed that just might happen as they rape us survivors of other democrat crimes as often as they can.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:32 AM PST by cotton
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To: Casie

I read this as “Colorado democrat to rape survivor at gun hearing.”
The den was going to rape a survivor of gun violence at the hearing. I believed that just might happen as they rape us survivors of other democrat crimes as often as they can.


14 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:33 AM PST by cotton
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To: Casie

I read this as “Colorado democrat to rape survivor at gun hearing.”
The den was going to rape a survivor of gun violence at the hearing. I believed that just might happen as they rape us survivors of other democrat crimes as often as they can.


15 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:33 AM PST by cotton
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To: Casie

I read this as “Colorado democrat to rape survivor at gun hearing.”
The den was going to rape a survivor of gun violence at the hearing. I believed that just might happen as they rape us survivors of other democrat crimes as often as they can.


16 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:45 AM PST by cotton
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To: Casie

I read this as “Colorado democrat to rape survivor at gun hearing.”
The den was going to rape a survivor of gun violence at the hearing. I believed that just might happen as they rape us survivors of other democrat crimes as often as they can.


17 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:45 AM PST by cotton
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To: george76

Only criminals fear weapons in the hands of the innocent.


18 posted on 03/05/2013 7:26:20 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: GeronL

The only cure for leftism is a severe case of lead poisoning.


19 posted on 03/05/2013 7:28:57 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Girlene

Put him and her in a ring and see if that assumption is true.


20 posted on 03/05/2013 7:35:31 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Standing Wolf
A person with a mental disease can and will enthusiastically kill people. Sure, it would be wonderful if only the diseased person was effected! But if you prefer to see Liberalism as plain evil, that's cool too. Though I personally like to keep hope alive and believe that some liberals are capable of growing up, opening their eyes, seeing truth, and curing themselves!
21 posted on 03/05/2013 7:37:00 AM PST by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: george76
Something that is not often discussed or recognized by both sides of the gun issue is:
With the 10 of millions of guns and their long shelf life plus the billions of rounds of ammunition, just how can a gun-grabber believe guns would disappear tomorrow if completely outlawed? They can dream about confiscation, but there are not enough resources to go door to door to take them from every law-abiding citizen. And what do they do about the black market where most criminals get their guns? Also, what about the black market of imports that would arise. Think the failed war on drugs.

Unfortunately, we are a violent culture. That said, I believe every responsible person above the age of 18 should be allowed to open or conceal carry. As we all know, more guns equals less violent crime. I read EVERY day about someone defending their lives. No guns equals more crime...just look around the world.

The stats (including FBI) are out there but the FEEL GOOD liberals think with their hearts rather than their heads. They will never change this gun culture that was determined by our Revolution against tyrannical King George. We are who we are and no amount of wishful peacenik thinking is going to change that.

22 posted on 03/05/2013 7:40:40 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: george76

Pens? Girls just want to have guns

Posted: Monday, March 4, 2013 8:59 pm

If you stood face to face with a rapist in the middle of the night, what would you prefer to use to defend yourself: a ballpoint pen or a handgun?

About two weeks ago, the Colorado House of Representatives passed a statewide ban on concealed-carry weapons on public college campuses, and the bill is now being considered by the Colorado Senate. In response to questions concerning women and their right to defend themselves, legislators were quick to come up with silly, petty alternatives to prevent a rapist from attacking them.

Representative Joe Salazar claimed that passive resistance is the way to go. While speaking on the House floor, he stated women don’t need guns because “we have call boxes … safe zones … whistles.”

But how safe are you in a “safe zone?” And what’s a rape whistle really going to do if you’re about to be assaulted with no one else in your vicinity?

Colorado State Senator Jessie Ulibarri suggested that during the 2011 Tucson, Ariz., shooting, some people were able to defend themselves using “ballpoint pens” instead of guns. Representative Paul Rosenthal furthered these ridiculous alternative strategies by saying the buddy system and learning “judo” were adequate forms of self-defense.

It seems it’s male politicians who are at the forefront of taking away a woman’s right to own a concealed-carry weapon and telling her to use weaker or silly alternatives.

Not only are politicians suggesting ineffective ways to defend yourself, but several universities have listed ineffective tips to dispel attackers.

For instance, the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs’s public safety department urged students to “tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating.” According to the department, using your bodily fluids is a very effective way to protect yourself: “Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.”

At Oregon State University, the public safety department suggests students take 16 to 20 hours of training in martial arts or street fighting. The state university also claims that you can discourage your attacker by “claiming to be sick or pregnant” and “fainting” or “acting insane.”

I’m sorry, but don’t politicians and universities support female empowerment? I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t feel empowered to protect myself if I knew menstruation was my only weapon. And urinating may not even stop a sick, deranged rapist from assaulting me — but a bullet would.

As a woman, I feel offended that politicians expect me to use such impractical, hopeless methods to defend myself from someone who wants to take away my dignity. According to many universities, I’m just a young girl who should act insane to prevent rapists from violating me. As many feminists may say, “This is anti-choice.”

From my life experiences, empowerment never came in the form of urinating, menstruating or acting pregnant. It came in the form of shooting a Beretta DT10 for the first time.

Regardless of whether a woman wants to own a concealed-carry weapon on a college campus, politicians and institutions shouldn’t be making the decision for women nor telling them they can just pretend to menstruate and everything will be fine.

The fact is, gun ownership among women is on the rise. A Gallup poll, from 2005 to 2011, showed the proportion of females who had guns in their households rose 10 percent. Today, almost a quarter of American women own guns.

Sooner or later, we need to realize taking guns away from the law-abiding does not prevent criminals from possessing guns. The idea that women should play dumb or stand back when they are about to be raped only perpetuates sexist judgment. By simply telling women to use pathetic, unsuccessful forms of self-defense, we are only weakening the American woman’s mentality when she is faced with her violent, brutal attacker.

Caroline Carlson is a sophomore government and politics and information systems major. She can be reached at caroline.crlsn@gmail.com.

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/opinion/article_62a57c34-8538-11e2-a0de-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=print


23 posted on 03/05/2013 7:43:39 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Girlene

Agreed. I was afraid a weapon could be taken from me, and used against me, so I took martial arts. What I learned doing TKD with men, is that I never, never, never want to have to fight a man. A small man with my level of skills and viciousness is still stronger than me. A big man is much stronger than me. A big fat man doesn’t even feel most of my blows and he can just squash me. If attacked I would far rather shoot him from ten feet away.

Martial arts is better than nothing but it’s no equalizer.


24 posted on 03/05/2013 7:44:30 AM PST by heartwood
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The list of those who would gladly prevent the innocent from defending ourselves has grown, my FRiends:

Dem. Rep. Claire Levy 303-866-2578 claire.levy.house@state.co.us
Dem. Rep. Rhonda Fields 303-866-3911 rhonda.fields.house@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Morgan Carroll 303-866-4879 morgan.carroll.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Evie Hudak 303-866-4840 senatorhudak@gmail.com
Dem. Rep. Beth McCann 303-866-2959 beth.mccann.house@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Lois Tochtrop 303-866-4863 lotochtrop@aol.com
Dem. Rep. Jenise May 303-866-2945 jenise.may.house@state.co.us
Dem. Rep. Lois Court 303-866-2967 lois.court.house@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Rollie Heath 303-866-4872 rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Mary Hodge 303-866-4855 mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. John Morse 303-866-6364 john.morse.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Jessie Ulibarri 303-866-4857 jessie.ulibarri.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Irene Aguilar 303-866-4852 irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us
Dem. Sen. Lucia Guzman 303-866-4862 lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us

Vote them ALL out!


25 posted on 03/05/2013 7:46:26 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: george76

If a ‘Pubbie said this, he’d be publicly eviscerated on TV. But a Democrat gets away with it.
Ain’t Media Bias great?


26 posted on 03/05/2013 7:49:52 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Only if you’re talking about the “ruling class”. There, there’s no cure but to eliminate them from positions of power.

However, there’s nothing like a bit of hunger in a “work or go hungry” situation to turn a “liberal” into a conservative.


27 posted on 03/05/2013 7:50:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: RandallFlagg

Notice how most of ‘em are female?


28 posted on 03/05/2013 7:55:21 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Little Ray
Notice how most of ‘em are female?

Yeah, but you wouldn't know it by LOOKING at 'em.

EWWWW!!!
29 posted on 03/05/2013 7:59:14 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Girlene

bump

The gun grabbers are deranged assholes.

Too bad they won’t have Senate hearings that concern the children killed by illegals.


30 posted on 03/05/2013 8:00:11 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: vetvetdoug
iberals will say and do just about anything to institute Socialism and Communism. Its not about equality, its about controlling the masses and keeping them under their thumbs.

Once people are dependent upon the State to protect them, the govt can extort unlimited money by simply having police be the first to be cut in any budget shortfall.

31 posted on 03/05/2013 8:02:03 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: mbarker12474
It is irrelevant,even if it is TRUE, that a woman with a gun will likely have that gun used against her by a rapist or attack

By that logic, policewomen should not be armed because they will just have their guns taken. Or you could just train people in weapons retention techniques.

32 posted on 03/05/2013 8:08:27 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Girlene
Evie Hudak is just plain stupid and EVIL.

I'd just say "Stupid". She's not smart enough to be evil.

That having been said, all she's capable of doing is repeating the mantra. She can't question the theology, since that would risk her social status, bring scorn upon her from people whose opinion she values, and frankly, bring into question everything she believes.

Truly, liberalism is a harsh religion, and its master is an unforgiving one. Makes me glad to be a conservative, and strong enough to form my own opinions.

33 posted on 03/05/2013 8:14:59 AM PST by wbill
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To: Girlene
Newt: My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are.

Ripley: Yes, there are, aren't there?

Welcome to reality Ms. Hudak!


34 posted on 03/05/2013 8:22:22 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: george76

Hey Hudak, the 1st Amendment protects your stupidity, and the 2nd protects us from it.


35 posted on 03/05/2013 8:28:53 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: george76

Another case of projection by RATs. It is the RATs that wage war on women. It is RATs that are anti-semitic. It is RATs that segregationists.

But then, I’m preaching to the choir.


36 posted on 03/05/2013 8:34:03 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: george76

If this were the other way around, Dems would be all over TV claiming Pubs “want women to be raped”.


37 posted on 03/05/2013 8:34:47 AM PST by orlop9
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To: george76

One wonders what the headlines would be if a male Republican said this.


38 posted on 03/05/2013 8:38:24 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: george76; All

As with everything in life, it is a choice.

You either CHOOSE to obey them... Or you don’t.

You are the master of your own life and your fate - not these political martinets.

Choices have consequences, obviously.

But the consequences of being disarmed, attacked, possibly murdered also puts your FAMILY at risk - your attacker/killer now has your car keys, your address, your cellphone, house keys - access to your family.

By being disarmed, you leave your loved ones vulnerable.

If armed, you at least have a fighting chance to survive. Disarmed, you’re definitely finished.

Life is a series of choices. Which choice you make affects more people than just yourself.

Carry anyway.

If we are to call ourselves Free People, we should act and behave as Free People - in spite of what the assholes of our society try to dictate to us.


39 posted on 03/05/2013 8:43:23 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: george76

I blame the racist republicans for not passing a budget in the Senate and now we have to make an equester!

(did you post that one on FR? The comments would be priceless....)


40 posted on 03/05/2013 9:14:40 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

“By that logic, policewomen should not be armed because they will just have their guns taken.”

Plus we should send female soldiers into their newly approved combat roles without any weapons!


41 posted on 03/05/2013 9:23:18 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: george76

Statistics mean nothing when they happen to you.


42 posted on 03/05/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: heartwood

Sadly, there are far too many women that believe they can just kick a guy in the nuts. One girl (friend) actually thought she could “kick my ass”, so I gave her the opportunity - just a friendly fight. It took me about 2 seconds to completely over power her and tie her down, no ability to move. I could see she was a little disturbed, she really didn’t know the difference in strength.

I cringed when seeing a drunk freshman (hot) girl surrounded by “10 guys with beers”...most guys are ok but it only takes one, or a bad group. The TV is also responsible for this overestimation of capability, there’s a dozen shows that depict a female that’s unstoppable, where no man can beat her.


43 posted on 03/05/2013 9:28:05 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: george76

There comes a point where debate must end and free people must go about exercising their liberties without any discussion of whether it is “permitted”, as though those from whom permission is sought are somehow anything other than mere fallible human beings.

We spend far too much time getting tied up in knots arguing with idiots who don’t care what we think. We concede, comply and cooperate far too much when it is not necessary and not in our best fair interests.


44 posted on 03/05/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: heartwood

You are far better prepared than most women would be if attacked, but you are right, martial rights is not an equalizer. A gun gives a woman a much better chance of walking away unharmed.


45 posted on 03/05/2013 9:45:00 AM PST by Girlene
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To: 444Flyer

Great visuals, 444Flyer! I love the last one.


46 posted on 03/05/2013 9:47:59 AM PST by Girlene
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To: heartwood
Good for your martial arts efforts. However, below are some other options for us older guys, women, and responsibly trained children who don't have the strength or the time to train:

Best Stun Guns

I carry the Blast Knuckles (think brass knuckle configuration with rubber coating) in my pocket whenever the wife and I go out. While I would prefer to have tazer for distance, they are bulky and not as quick on the draw. Simply pull the Blast Knuckle out of your pocket while wrapping your fingers into the finger holes, switch the safety off with your thumb and pull the button next to your index finger to zap the bad guy to the floor. And no, the voltage does not transfer to you if he has a hold of you. The best thing about them is they would be all most impossible to wrestle out of your hand grip.

Of course, I would really rather carry a concealed Taurus Judge or similar, but living in California, good luck getting a CCW permit. The above products at Best Stun Gun offer alternatives to being completely defenseless. And since they are legal in California, pretty sure they would be legal in most States if not all.

Take a look at their products. They ship quickly. No, I'm not affiliated with the company.

47 posted on 03/05/2013 9:48:49 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: 444Flyer

Great graphics and messages. Thank you.


48 posted on 03/05/2013 9:50:55 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: george76

At 1:15 mark...

“What are trying to here tonight is not to protect ourselves from violent crime. What are trying do here tonight is keep students and teachers from feeling uncomfortable.”

Just reply that over and over and over again.

Incredible!


49 posted on 03/05/2013 9:52:39 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: heartwood
"...A small man with my level of skills and viciousness is still stronger than me. A big man is much stronger than me. A big fat man doesn’t even feel most of my blows and he can just squash me. If attacked I would far rather shoot him from ten feet away."

Add to that an evil dude high on bath salts, PCP etc. and you may be dealing with a walking zombie with a high pain tolerance level. Not favorable for any female no matter where her martial arts skill level may be.

BTW Kudos to you for being trained to defend yourself physically. Your instincts, the way you walk, carry yourself and take notice of your environment is more than half the battle in not becoming a potential victim.

Women always need to be aware of their surroundings and disallow for distractions such as cell phones, searching for keys in purses, etc. when out and about.

50 posted on 03/05/2013 10:02:19 AM PST by 444Flyer
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