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To: Rebel_Ace
I observe a baseball being thrown. The photons bouncing off of this object are the same photons that would be bouncing off the ball regardless of if I was watching the ball or not. Hence my observation or lack of observation does not effect the ball.

If a tree falls in the woods the mass of the tree will strike the ground causing noise, regardless of their being an observer there or not.

23 posted on 03/07/2013 8:43:36 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

But as you were moving into position with your camera you startled a bird who flew up into the tree and ever so slightly altered the direction that it fell.


24 posted on 03/07/2013 8:49:16 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Durus
"I observe a baseball being thrown. The photons bouncing off of this object are the same photons that would be bouncing off the ball regardless of if I was watching the ball or not. Hence my observation or lack of observation does not effect the ball.

If a tree falls in the woods the mass of the tree will strike the ground causing noise, regardless of their being an observer there or not "


You have no argument from me. Like I said in my post, I was NOT supporting his argument, just trying to understand what he was putting out there.
25 posted on 03/07/2013 9:00:34 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: Durus

Switch the baseball and the tree for subatomic particles, and things change.


27 posted on 03/07/2013 9:22:54 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Durus

But if you weren’t there to watch the pitch those photons would have landed somewhere else, resulting possibly in something else.

It’s the photon wave particle experiment that actually proves observation changes results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
because the results change depending on how you chose to observe.


40 posted on 03/07/2013 2:24:28 PM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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