Skip to comments.Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.
It is not part of the US Constitution.
Let me see if I understand. John McCain, a child of two U.S. citizens, born in Panama because his father was an admiral in the U.S. Navy and there due to orders, would not be eligible to be president?
LOL You’re working this thing aren’t you?
John McCain was born in what was a U.S. unincorporated territory. His citizenship derives from his parents, both U.S. citizens, and from the statutory U.S. citizenship granted by Congress. He is not, however, a Natural born Citizen and has never been eligible to be President.
Sorry Longbow, you’re mistaken.
Ever heard of it?
Look, this entire NBC thing is not the cornerstone of America.
George Washington was not a NBC a she was born in Popes Creek which was at the time a British holding.
How the **** could he be a naturalized citizen when the country it self had yet to be born?
The closest definition we have to the founders was the Naturalization Act of 1790 which stated that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”. (Act to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, 1st Congress, 2nd session, March 26, 1790, 1 Stat.L. 103 at 104, 2 Laws of the U.S., ed. Bioren & Duane (1815) 82 at 83.)
It has been interpreted and reinterpreted by various laws and court decisions ever since, with people on various sides of the issues clinging to whatever interpretation that suits their point. This one is the closest to the founders as it was in part written by Madison and other founders who were in congress at the time.
If FReepers can’t even agree on the interpretation of this issue, we shouldn’t expect any legal traction out of it.
1. Unless and until Obama submits to unbiased DNA testing we will never know who the actual father was. The VERY best BET at this time is Frank Marshall Davis,...but without definitive proof we're all just guessing.
2. If Marshall was his real father then he is a Natural Born Citizen under anyone's interpretation of any statute.
3. If he actually is a Natural Born citizen then he was and is eligible to be POTUS
4. The question then becomes did this marxist fraud claim that he was a 'foreign' student to gain admission to U.S. colleges and to receive preferential treatment, grants, and tuition plus room and board allowances he WAS NOT ENTITLED TO!??????? I have no idea on the statute of limitations on fraud and mail fraud.
5. If he was the actual son of Barack Obama Senior then he his NOT eligible to be POTUS under any scenario. Period.
Why is Ted Cruz the only hope?
Rand is a decent and good quirky fellow, but you are correct.
Cruz is focused and dangerous.
Because breach of the law is not binding precedent. True, over the course of time, a law can be so completely ignored that it has no practical effect. For example, it is against the law to play cards on Sunday in Alabama. Good luck getting that one enforced. But it is still valid law.
And that’s the point. “Rule of law” means we treat everyone equally under the law and don’t make exceptions except by legal means (amending the Constitution, for example). I am not taking a position on the Cruz eligibility question. What I am saying is it delegitimizes all our lofty claims to be upset over Obama’s flagrant disregard of the law we say we cherish, if we turn around ourselves and disregard that same law for one of our own. That is devolving to a nation of men, not laws, and such lawlessness is the taproot of tyranny.
THANK YOU!... and well said!
Let’s assume that we are in a Constitutional crisis over the Punk’s eligibility. Will the crisis deepen if Cruz, who was born to an American citizen, is elected? Positively not. If Americans elect him, I’ll be very proud to call him President. Bob
Yeah, but Canada is sort of America-Lite, except for Quebec.
“Fox is in bed with someone, who is not on that list.”
Amen Brother. Amen.
Because we aren't crooked Democrats. The law is the law. I don't even know if this is all accurate, I'm too lazy to go look up the birth date and read the laws definition of "natural born" at that time. If he gets nominated to run for President, I'll take the time and do the homework. But, if he doesn't fit the description, then he is not eligible. Pretty simple.
Sheesh! Read the Constitution! George Washington was grandfathered in!
If his mother was a citizen and his father was a citizen, then he is a natural born citizen. We conservatives have played this game with citizenship logic so much that this should be obvious. Instead, we end up with the absurd.
I can’t find his father’s name, but it appears the dad came to the US from Cuba in 1957. Cruz was born in 1970, so that gave the dad 13 years to gain US citizenship. His mother was born an American.
Cruz was born in Alberta Canada, and as far as I can tell, unless his parents renounced their US citizenship while there, then Ted Cruz is a natural born US citizen.
By the way I’m a Natural Born Citizen and if you elect me POTUS I’ll put Obama, Biden, his entire cabinet and czars, and Pelosi and reid in federal prison. So vote for me!
How many otherwise qualified children of people in the military or in missionary service would be ineligible for the Presidency?
If he were born on base, then some people feel that yes, he would be a natural born citizen.
If he were born elsewhere, then he would be a citizen, not a natural born citizen.
However, if we use the currently popular standard for natural born citizenship, then McCain would have also been a natural born citizen of Panama, just as many say an anchor baby or a child born here to illegal aliens is also a natural born citizen.
These days? As they used to say in the 70s while slowly exhaling, "It's whatever you want it to be, man. Whatever you want it to be." Onward through the fog!
He isn’t. But Sarah Palin is though.
Is that you Ron Ely?
Not to mention unfit.
I recall when my sis was born in Ramstein in the early 60’s and we learned in school that she was eligible to be P. It was a very big deal back then.
If both parents are US citizens (US passport holders only, not dual citizens) then the child is a natural born US citizen regardless of where the child was born. McCain is a NBC.
Thanks Cold Case Posse Supporter.
Thank you Chaplain. I was trying to bring a little levity to this inane conversation by saying C-Section babies weren’t “natural born”. You however, have managed to inject a little sober truth to the discussion that probably wont do anything to those who don’t want their closed minds to be confused with facts. I think it is time for the Cadillac Open on TV. Have a good day.
I should have mentioned I learned that in on base school in Ramstein, not a regular school
There is no such paperwork that refers to a born citizen becoming a “native born citizen.” Why? Because there is NO distinction between a born citizen and a “NBC”. There only born citizens and naturalized citizens.
It continues to amaze me that both parties have such difficulty in finding a single candidate born in the U.S.A. of parents who are also citizens!
Sheesh! I figure over 90 percent of Americans fit that bill. And, the parties can’t find enough people from that pool to run for Prez???
No wonder our government is so screwed up; they’re all a bunch of foreigners, LOL!
You do not have to be born in the US to be a NBC.
You simply have to be born without citizenship to any other country except the US.
The NBC requirement to be president was manly done as a way to prevent war like the wars that had taken place in Europe for centuries as the ruler of one country laid clam to another country simply because of their “birth right”.
No president of this country could ever make the claim to another country as his “birth right”.
That’s incorrect. The following text is from The State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual.
7 FAM 1113 NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEANING OF IN THE UNITED STATES
c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:
(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
You have my vote LOL
“If he wants to run for President, the Senate will extend to him the same courtesy they did McCain and pass a resolution declaring him eligible.”
The Senate explicitly deemed McCain eligible based on:
1. having TWO US citizen parents and
2. on his father being US military on active duty and
3. the Panama Canal being pseudo-US territory.
None of these three distinguishing facts regarding McCain apply to Cruz.
Whether Democrats object to Cruz’s eligibility will depend on whether Barry is found to have been born in Kenya sometime before the 2016 election.
If proved to have been born in Kenya, Barry would have similar eligibility status as Cruz: born on foreign soil having only one US citizen parent, the mother, although Cruz’s mom met the residence prior to birth requirement to pass US citizenship, while SADO did not.
Barry’s legal defense team and the Congressional Research Offiece have already cited the case Marguet-Pillado in the 9th Circus to justify NBC status for any person having a mere biological tie to a US citizen at birth, so Cruz supporters in the GOP would be expected to embrace this dubious legal lower court precedent as well:
In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his III Analysis dicta, states: No one disputes that Marguet-Pillados requested instruction was an accurate statement of the law, in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements. On March 1, Sheriff Arpaios Posse re-opened the possibility that Obama was born in Kenya by announcing that it had found probable cause to believe that Obamas long form birth certificate was forged, newspaper birth announcements were unreliable, and that there was now no proof that Obama was born in the USA. A week earlier, with full knowledge of what the Arpaio Posses findings would be, constitutional scholar Obamas legal team suddenly started citing the Marguet-Pillado case in multiple PA and GA ballot eligibility state appeals. The following language is included by Obamas lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings: President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth inHawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have beenmet. Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009); see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011). There is no basis to question the Presidents citizenship or qualifications to hold office. www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/.../10-50041.pdf
Like I said in my earlier post. Please point to case law or the writings of the Founding Fathers that support your definition of Natural Born Citizen.
Please also explain the other Presidents (IE Not including OBama) who failed to live up to your standards of Natural Born Citizen.
Well, other than the crimes he committed in perpetrating this massive hoax in order to get elected.
That is a law that needs fixin.
My question was to make Freepers think. Too many get fixed on one person to save us all. I know better. I have been here a while.
Canadians are Americans.
LOL! Tell that to every SCOTUS that has mentioned the phrase “Natural Born” in their rulings. They admit that there is such a thing as a Natural Born Citizen, but are reticent to define exactly what it is.
What part of the Constitution states that a person must be a "breath of fresh air" to be eligible for POTUS? Don't get me wrong, but "breath of fresh air" is not the eligibility test.
That is just unethical.
So If Pa and Ma are in the service of the country and sacrifice comfort and prosperity to serve the country, their offspring are penalized?
That just aint American.
Or at the very least it should not be American.
I would continue to push Cruz. Lets see how the Democrats react. If the Democrats set a precedent with Obama, I dont see why we should undermine Cruz.
Cruz should be used in this manner to shove the Obama is Ineligible FACT way down the liberal throats in the media, we should call them the pejorative “Birthers” for a change!!!