Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.
wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....
Fox has become ridiculous.
Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.
Obama Sr however never had allegiance to anyone.
Look.
Here is the wider point.
If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?
And exactly how did this keep the Kenyan interloper from being elected to be HMFWIC twice???
I have a feeling that the people who will jump on Cruz’s “ineligibility” the most will be Obama’s demoncraps.
We lost the last election because of fixated single issue voters.
I would continue to push Cruz. Let’s see how the Democrats react. If the Democrats set a precedent with Obama, I don’t see why we should undermine Cruz.
Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!
What does Sen. Cruz have to say about this?
I don’t have a TV but it seems, based on what I read, Fox is getting kinda nutty.
It’s because of the double standard. Do u think the Rats/media will let Cruz get away with a court decision saying he’s eligible?
You are making Sarah Palin cry.
Several reasons: 1. Because they can. 2. Because Cruz is a Republican. 3. Because Cruz is not a Democrat. 4. Because Cruz is not one of them. 5.Becuse they worship,love, and adore,either latently or openly, obama.
“because his fathers British Nationality ‘governed’ his birth status in 1961,
You don’t know the meaning of the word ‘governed’. Putting it in single quotes doesn’t make some magical definition for it.
Two Americans abroad give birth to a US citizen. Trying to redefine “natural” is also a stupid blunder by people trying to sound intelligent.
At least he’s honest about the circumstances under which he was born. It’s not like he’s manufacturing a fake birth certificate or anything. Just sayin’
“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”
Your baby would be a “born” citizen but not a natural born citizen. There was a question as to John McCain’s eligibility due to this same definition.
Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen either due to his parents not being citizens at the time of his birth. But just watch the GOP band together to try to get him nominated in 2016. If they let Rubio run they have to let Cruz run. Neither one of them is eligible. They can both serve their country in the Senate or as Governors.
But of course if you are half black and a Democrat its OK that you can’t really prove where you were born and your Dad was a Kenyan.
I don’t think so.
Children of American citizens born overseas are indisputably American citizens. It’s a question of their being ‘natural born citizens,’ as called for in the Constitution as a prerequisite to presidential eligibility that is in dispute.
He wasn't but it doesn't matter. Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother's U.S. citizenship. He didn't have to naturalize. If he wants to run for President, the Senate will extend to him the same courtesy they did McCain and pass a resolution declaring him eligible. Birthers might stomp their feet and file a bunch of lawsuits that go nowhere but there won't be any serious legal obstacles that Cruz will have to overcome to get on the ballot.
He seems like a personable fellow, with some common sense and a good work ethic, but always find myself having to turn him off sooner or later.
And I won't be turning him back on for a while. That bit with Ted Cruz was the last I could handle.
We have enough stupid educating the ignorant as it and he took it to a national audience. Cruz sorta lawyered out of it, accurate, but not.
Fine. Rand Paul can make Cruz Attorney General. Works for me! Allen West can be VP.
Damn, I thought “Natural Born” meant not by “C-Section”.
I like your line-up!
Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!
Why do you think there was a Senate Resolution declaring John McCain a “Natural Born Citizen” before the 2008 election? He was born of two American citizen parents, but not on American soil. And before you say it, McCain was not born in the American Canal Zone. He was born in a Panamanian hospital.
Many people think there is a difference between a “Natural Born Citizen”, a Citizen, and a Naturalized Citizen. Otherwise why would it be specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
You would ;)
YEAH!!!
They did it, so we can do it too!!!
Wrong. Obama is ineligible because his father was not citizen and his mother wasn’t eligible by laws at the time to confer citizen by herself alone.
How old Ted Cruz’s mother was at his time of birth, along with immigration laws at the time is what makes his eligible or not.
Bingo.
And only idiots (there are many here at Free Republic) ever said the issue was over anything else.
Oh for the love of God!! stop attacking our own.
This is why we lose.
Ted Cruz is just what we need and here we are launching a preemptive strike on him.
EVERYTHING about Obama is a mystery shrouded in anti American notions and communism, yet he is the POTUS.
If we must argue about “natural born” let us argue about Obama, who clearly has convoluted allegiances.
Why Target Cruz? Cruz has been a breath of fresh air.
He defines the immigrant experience.
His Heart is with America as was his Fathers.
no, not killing innocent babies is a foundational issue
Correct!
“Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.”
Rafel Cruz escaped from Cuba in the 1950’s and was a legal immigrant/resident of the USA at the time of Ted’s birth. He did not become a U.S. citizen until 2005.
Cruz’ mother was born in Delaware.
Both parents were temporarily living in Calgary (for work purposes) at the time of Cruz’ birth in 1970.
I am not sure if the laws at the time would make Cruz a “natural born citizen” for the purposes of eligibility for Presidency - any legal scholars here?
Shoot that young firebrand between the eyes before he gets started.
Yeesh.
If Allen West will not run again, a future president has to appoint him to a position..
Exactly.
And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.
The slippery slope tells me that eventually, the UN will make everyone a natural born citizen and anyone can be president.
If Obama was legal then Cruz is legal.
One thing is certain, Cruz and his parents held allegiance to America.
That what the dispute is about. It is amazing. If you were to have asked people 7 years ago who de Vattel was, only about 0.5% of the people might be able to tell you, now everyone is a expert.
My husband is a soldier and we were stationed in Germany at the time of my son’s birth. I was told by the US Embassy when we received his “American Citizen Born Abroad” birth certificate that the ONLY thing he couldn’t do was become POTUS.
So yeah. Tough cookies. He’s not a natural born citizen.
Some of you birther people are just head cases. Getting somewhere? It's like your determined to find people who aren't ineligible to run for President. Ted Cruz is an excellent Senator and absolutely someone who may have a presidential future. Fox News is very likely WRONG in this case.
Here is a discussion about this very subject in the LA Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/01/news/la-pn-questions-about-the-qualifications-of-ted-cruz-the-gops-newest-star-20120801
The TLDR version is that Cruz has an American mother so he's obviously an American citizen, and people with similar birth situations (outside the US) such as McCain and George Romney would have been eligible if they had won. So far no one has challenged a presidential candidate born outside of the United States. I think Ted Cruz is probably eligible and based on what I've seen so far, I hope at some point he runs and wins.
Hmmm. Why did Obama feel compelled to state that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment?
Cruz would be a statutory U.S. citizen, not a natural born Citizen. A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).
That is not so. Once your son resides in US for more than 14 years, he will be eligible.
Charles Francis Adams, a son of John Quincy Adams, was almost nominated for President in 1872 by the Liberal Republicans (the anti-Grant faction) but lost out to Horace Greeley. His mother was born in London in 1775 to an American father and an English mother. His supporters in 1872 clearly did not see him as disqualified.
FNC hit piece?
born in the USA and age requirment finishes.
no three types of citizenship, just two.
John McCain was born on base. It was declared ‘US soil’, thus he is eligible. My son was born in a German hospital. He is not. He was born on foreign soil.
Yes. Children of service members who are born abroad of two US Citizen parents are NOT eligible to be POTUS. (At least that’s what I was told by the US Embassy when my son was born.)
LOL! Everyone talks about 'natural born' yet acts as if it only takes a single parent to make a baby.
Cruz is a statutory citizen, but not a 14th Amendment one. 14th Amendment statutory citizens stem from a perversion of the purpose of the Amendment itself in the mid 1960's. Despite what Congress syas, children of foreigners are NOT Citizens of the United States under the Original Intent of the 14th Amednment.
Natural born refers to your natural parents. Cruz's natural parents were Cuban and American, so he was a dual citizen at birth and became a naturalized American when he chose which nationality he would claim upon reaching the age of majority.
He is not eligible for the Office of President...although I sincerely wish he was.
In your scenario, your child would be born a U.S. citizen, just not eligible to fill the office of President. For that he must be born in the U.S. to two naturalized American citizens. Though not defined within the Constitution itself, the term “naturalized citizen” historically has come to be defined as “born within the Republic”.
My question is:If Fox is attacking Cruz’s eligibility why aren’t these yellow coward sons of beech’s attacking Obama?
“And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.”
That is something we must fight to stop from happening. It goes against our founders original intent.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.