Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
They break the law, then so should we, once we take over we can start obeying the Constitution right?
When has that ever happened? Power seized by a government is rarely if ever voluntarily relinquished.
No two anything can give birth. An individual female being in the mammalian category gives birth.
One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952 and...
The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.
It is the truth.
4 million single issue Repubs did not vote.
Good job /s
Where are we now? I will tell you where we are now.
We are doing a preemptive strike on one of our brightest rising stars.
And here I am pinching my nose and wondering why.
From Wiki: Martin Van Buren (Dutch: Maarten van Buren pronunciation (help·info) ; December 5, 1782 – July 24, 1862) was the eighth President of the United States (1837–1841). Before his presidency, he was the eighth Vice President (1833–1837) and the tenth Secretary of State (1829-1831), both under Andrew Jackson. Van Buren was a key organizer of the Democratic Party, a dominant figure in the Second Party System, and the first president not of British or Irish descent—his family was Dutch. He was the first president to have been born a United States citizen,[2] his predecessors having been born British subjects before the American Revolution.[3] He is the only president not to have spoken English as his first language, having grown up speaking Dutch,[4] and the first president from New York.
I was born in America to an American father and an Italian mother. My mother naturalized when she was 50 years old, and I was 13.
I have never considered myself eligible to be President.
I can be a Senator, like Cruz, or a Congressman, but not President.
I don't have a problem with that.
I have been here a long time and that is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read. This is a Republic and it is governed by laws, not mob rule!
And that interpretation bothers me, because, for example, it also excludes children born to people with a job requiring a temporary position abroad. At the same time we bestow US citizenship on the children of those that sneak into the US while mantaining citizenship elsewhere.
When the Constitution was written people didn't jet off to foreign lands for a vacation or quick visit, the travel was long and arduous. The trip was probably taken because you wanted to immigrate to a new country or had to serve in an official capacity as a representative of the government.
In the case of yldstrk having to give birth while vacationing in the Bahamas we have (I presume) two parents that are US citizens with true faith and allegiance to the same, temporarily out of the country and will return home. It doesn't make sense to me to consider that child ineligible for the Presidency.
“Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen either due to his parents not being citizens at the time of his birth.”
Rubio is the legal equivalent of an “anchor baby” as is Jindal as was the drone-killed al Awlaki who had exactly the type of dual loyalty at birth that the founders feared.
Yet 99& of the elite legal establishment has decided, and all lower courts have resisted any effort to affirm that anything more than being born on US soil is needed to be NBC POTUS eligible.
I hope that Dems or a GOP primary challenger will challenge Rubio or Cruz’s NBC eligibility and that SCOTUS will finally rule. Better yet, I hope that new evidence of Barry’s likely Kenyan birth comes out. That would prompt a SCOTUS ruling ASAP! I do not presume to know whether SCOTUS would affirm the Minor v. Happersett NBC definition or give Barry a Mulligan based solely on his US citizen mom regardless of where he was born.
John McCain was not born on base. This has been posted endlessly and yet we have misinformed posters declare this fallacy again and again. To what purpose?
It really comes down to the notion that just because they did it, we should too. When that happens the Oath to defend and Protect the Constitution become meaningless. I for one will not travel that oh so popular road, now that we have our own clean and articulate ineligible Presidential Candidate.
God Bless the Republic.
Look harder.
We're not talking about mere citizenship here. This requirement is specified only for the presidency.
One citizenship is derived from one parents not ones place of birth. At least that is my view, and my argument for my children of illegals are not natural born citizens. And for why children born abroad of two US citizens in the service of our country or simply temporally away are natural born citizens.
Rafael Cruz didn’t ”escape from Cuba” because at the time he left, PRIOR to the Castro takeover, any Cuban could just pick up and leave whenever they wanted to. Cruz has deliberately misrepresented his father’s history in an attempt to tie him into the flight-from-communism diaspora. He was found out and confronted by an Austin newspaper.
I am sincerely doubtful that the U.S. Supreme Court would rule Cruz eligible. They do not like over ruling a former Supreme court’s holding. See my post at #133.
The following is often used to support Marco Rubio, but the facts disputing the supporting argument can also be applies to Ted Cruz:
“The First U.S. Congress included in the 1790 Immigration & Naturalization Act language to alert the State Department to the fact that Americans born abroad are “natural born citizens” and are not to be viewed as foreigners due to foreign birth. They were not granted citizenship via that US statute rather their automatic citizenship was stated as a fact that must be recognized by immigration authorities. They were not citizens by any other means than natural law, and statutory law was written to insure that their natural citizenship was recognized.”
This is not a reasonable explanation. It fails to recognize that Congress only has powers over naturalization. Congress has no power to define “natural born Citizen”, which has nothing to do with naturalization. Furthermore, if Congress wants to tell the State Department something, they don’t have to enact legislation to do it.
But more important is that all of the following naturalization acts, 1795, 1802, etc., were also passed to naturalize the children of U.S. citizens born abroad. And the words “natural born” were repealed in the 1795 Naturalization Act and never returned again.
Actually, the courts have never ruled on it. If the issue is ever presented to the courts (i.e. SCOTUS), I expect they will rule that citizenship granted at birth by statute does make one eligible for the presidency.
Such citizens enjoy the same rights as natural-born citizens except there are retention requirements.
At this point who really gives a crap. I’d certainly prefer someone like Cruz to be POTUS then who we have, or McLame, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, and a whole host of other RINOs.
Hmm... The U.S. Constitution was adopted in what? September of 1787, I recall? So, wouldn’t Martin Van Buren be covered under both the grandfather clause AND the Natural Born Citizen requirement?
Just wondering.
Cheers!
Yes, America is governed by laws and the law is that the voters and their electors rule upon the qualifications of candidates.
If you want to live in a country in which some special elite group gets to decide who can run for president, you should move to Iran where all candidates must be approved by their "Guardian Council." We don't have any Guardian Councils in this country. Presidents are picked by electors and electors are picked by the voters.
If you don't like our system, then amend the Constitution.
Insults are unnecessary.
The courts have never ruled on the issue. Statutory citizens at birth may or may not be eligible for the presidency. There is no definitive ruling and therefore no “Gospel.”
“He’s not a natural born citizen.”
Wrong. If he was born to parents who were citizens and one was overseas on military orders that is still considered natural born.
McCain meets those criteria as he was born in Panama.
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