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1 posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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I think obama’s elections set a new precedence and we can’t go back. So, Cruz CAN be eligible under the “new” rules set now.

Right? :)


308 posted on 03/09/2013 10:42:10 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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Natural Born Citizen status only has relevence in regards to the qualifications for the Vice-President and the President of the United States. There is no 'right' to become President. The eligibility REQUIREMENTS were put in the Constitution to safeguard NATIONAL SECURITY, not to assuage the countless bedwetters whose feelings maybe hurt because their family or friends may not be eligible for the highest office in the land.

On FR, there are 2 types of perennial whiners regarding this issue:

1. The After-Birther Freeper mental defective league chronically rails against this requirement because they feel personally affronted by these Constitutional restrictions. It's a knee-jerk or neo-jerk emotional issue with these simpering malcontents.

2. The other half are longtime Trolls--Retreads......Obama loving knee-padding rumpswabs.


Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it.

The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.

I say, that, in order to be of the country,it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.









Is there any question why the Framers put the natural born Citizen requirement in the Constitution?

320 posted on 03/09/2013 10:49:48 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (STERILIZE OBAMA VOTERS)
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326 posted on 03/09/2013 10:55:14 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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This is completely asinine, even more so at a time when the Constitution is being shredded by the Progressives. Outside of a thirteen hour filibuster by a Libertarian/Republican Senator joined by a few others, little has been done to contest Obama’s reign. In fact the Republican elite are joined with the Democrats in attacking or disregarding the Constitution.

I guess it is more fun to nit pick arcane interpretations of the Constitution than to defend against blatant violations like the snooping and potential extra judicial murder of the drones / Homeland Security.


340 posted on 03/09/2013 11:20:26 AM PST by JimSEA
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Ted “lightning Rod” Cruz.
I hope he jumps in head first, the sooner the better.

Let’s see what he can do.


399 posted on 03/09/2013 12:31:27 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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I knew this would happen to GOP candidates in 2016, the left will challenge their eligibility. lolz, they are that hypocritical.


412 posted on 03/09/2013 12:44:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Since Cruz is Hispanic, those who question anything regarding him should be assumed to be racist. It’s the insulation president Stoner enjoys.


451 posted on 03/09/2013 1:47:24 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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I’d be happy if he runs the DOJ or DHS. Lots of sex pervs, global marxists and fascists would lose their jobs. I would feel safer from Islam’s and communism’s terrorism on the constitution and homeland. : )


483 posted on 03/09/2013 2:36:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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First:

If you think Fox News is “conservative”...you are not a conservative

Second:

If you still refuse to discuss openly and rationally about Obama Eligibility....you are an Obama Supporter

Fact is Ted Cruz is not eligible as he was born in Canada. You have to be born on American soil to be natural born.

The Democrats will hammer Cruz on his eligibility if he runs for President. Guaranteed. You are a Low Information Voter if you think otherwise


546 posted on 03/09/2013 3:56:03 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961,

I see this phrase being thrown around a lot, and I want to make sure I understand what you mean by it.

Do you mean that Obama could conceivably have applied for British citizenship, because his father was a British subject, and the mere possiblity of ever being eligible for dual citizenship is enough to render him ineligible for the office?

If that is not an accurate understanding of your position, then please correct me. But if it is, are you aware that such a criteria would prevent any Jew from becoming President? Not to mention any American who had an Irish grandparent?
569 posted on 03/09/2013 4:20:29 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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Ping for later


596 posted on 03/09/2013 5:01:17 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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This FoxNews piece doesn’t surprise me since Cruz does not fit into their ideal profile for a candidate, their candidate that is. FoxNews has become a caricature of itself. It takes itself a bit too seriously. Just becoming another tentacle of the drive-by media.


629 posted on 03/09/2013 5:49:36 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: null and void; LucyT; Red Steel; rxsid; Spaulding; edge919

ping, in case you missed this huge weekend thread where all the usual NBC suspects have turned up plus some new ones...


702 posted on 03/10/2013 6:28:40 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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Just up on BirtherReport:

“Washington Examiner’s Byron York Declares
Canadian-Born Sen. Ted Cruz Eligible To Be President”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/spokesman-senator-cruz-is-a-u.s.-citizen-by-birth/article/2523832

“In the past few days, there has been renewed buzz on the Internet about the presidential eligibility of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. Cruz has only been in the Senate for about 60 days and does not appear to be behind any of the talk. But he has certainly been in the news in recent days, and in response to a request for comment, his spokesman, Sean Rushton, sent me this note:

“’Sen. Cruz is a U.S. citizen by birth, having been born in Calgary to an American-born mother. He is focused entirely on his new role in the Senate, and on working every day to represent Texas and defend conservative principles in the Senate.’”

“Any talk about Cruz follows years of discussion about birthplace and presidential eligibility involving President Obama, Sen. John McCain, and Sen. Marco Rubio. The bottom line in the case of Cruz, who was born in Canada in 1970, is that his father was an immigrant from Cuba and not a U.S. citizen at the time of young Cruz’s birth, but his mother was born and raised in the United States. The law in effect then, and now, made Ted Cruz a U.S. citizen at birth. Although the drafters of the Constitution did not define what they meant when they required an American president to be a “natural born citizen,” it is generally thought that “citizen by birth” is the best modern-day equivalent. On that basis, Cruz appears entirely eligible — if he ever chooses to pursue the White House.”

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/03/byron-york-declares-ted-cruz-natural-born-citizen.html

SatinDoll’s post on this thread quoted and linked by BirtherReport:

“As SatinDoll points out at Free Republic: Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute (derived citizenship from parents). All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate. The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.”


963 posted on 03/10/2013 8:44:53 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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The level of ignorance on this issue is pretty stunning. Especially when it comes from those alleged to be champions of the Constitution.

Sen. Ted Cruz is a "citizen" at birth because of the particular law created by Congress at the time.

If that particular statue didn't exist at the time, he wouldn't even be a "citizen."

The Constitution gives Congress the power of "naturalization."

Ted Cruz is a "naturalized" citizen at birth. (Because of the Congressional statue).

He's obviously not a "natural born Citizen."

This isn't rocket science here.

1,131 posted on 03/11/2013 2:53:24 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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