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To: Natufian

You didn’t answer any of my questions. You’re just repeating the same stuff without addressing any of my content. This is why it is a waste of time to talk to you.

Lurkers (if there are any), take note.

Lurkers, the cross-check for which of us (Natufian or me) is accurate is the additional requests using the standard wording to confirm the authenticity of a copy. Bennett asked Onaka to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record” and Onaka would not verify that. KS SOS Kris Kobach asked Onaka to verify that the “information contained in” the White House image is identical to the information contained in the original record, and Onaka wouldn’t verify that. Remember, he has to verify whatever the requestor asks him to verify, as long as he CAN.

If Natufian is right, then why wouldn’t Onaka verify that the information contained in the White House image was identical to the information contained in the original record? He was not asked if the information “matched”. He was asked if it was IDENTICAL. And he would not verify that. He also wouldn’t put his own initials next to the signature stamp of those 2 verifications, nor the raised seal.

The only verification he would put his initials and the raised seal on was the one where no birth facts were asked to be verified and it was only asked if the “information contained in the White House image matches”(which would work equally well for a non-valid BC as for a valid one, because the White House image doesn’t contain any information about evidence to support a late filing or alteration).

IOW, the only one Onaka had no qualms about was the request that works equally well for a non-valid BC. Which is exactly how MDEC designed their request. Because they knew that Onaka had verified to Bennett that the record is non-valid and they knew Onaka COULDN’T verify anything except that the claims that are actually included on the forgery are also claimed on the non-valid record. The non-valid record has extra information, though, that the forgery doesn’t have - specifically the notations that the BC is late and altered. They couldn’t even switch the order of the words around, to ask if the information in the original record matches the information in the White House image, because then the request would be asking about everything that’s on the real record, including the LATE and ALTERED stamps, and that DOESN’T match what’s on the White House image, because the White House image lacks that information.


1,501 posted on 03/14/2013 5:05:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
Your questions are irrelevant or maybe I should say they are only relevant to someone who is ignoring the facts and looking to construct an extremely complex and lumpy conspiracy theory.

You can parse the wording and interpret the minutiae of the documents as much as you like but you fail to address the core of the issue.

1. Arizona SOS Bennett asked the Hawaii DOH to verify the facts of Obama's birth and listed out all the data points from the Obama BC released by the WH.

2. The Hawaii DOH sent a verification of Obama's birth back to Bennett.

3. Hawaii law states that any verification shall be considered for all purposes that the event took place as described and that all the facts of the event are as described by the applicant (Bennett).

Those three points are hard, undeniable facts and they are deadly to your conspiracy theory which is why you don't want to talk about them.

Making a song and dance about the presence or otherwise of Onaka's initials on the responses is just handwaving. They are not relevant. They neither add weight to nor undermine the legality of the verification.

Focussing on whether he used the words 'matches' or 'identical' is more posturing. They are not relevant and do not affect the legality of the verification.

That's why no one believes you.

1,516 posted on 03/15/2013 1:15:46 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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