Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!
Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US Natural Born Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!
Why do you think there was a Senate Resolution declaring John McCain a “Natural Born Citizen” before the 2008 election? He was born of two American citizen parents, but not on American soil. And before you say it, McCain was not born in the American Canal Zone. He was born in a Panamanian hospital.
Many people think there is a difference between a “Natural Born Citizen”, a Citizen, and a Naturalized Citizen. Otherwise why would it be specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
John McCain was born on base. It was declared ‘US soil’, thus he is eligible. My son was born in a German hospital. He is not. He was born on foreign soil.
Yes. Children of service members who are born abroad of two US Citizen parents are NOT eligible to be POTUS. (At least that’s what I was told by the US Embassy when my son was born.)
All three of my kids were born overseas. My sons were born in the U.S. Army Hospital at Camp Zama, Japan, and my daughter was born in a British hospital (private insurance, not on the NHS). Since both of their parents are natural born US Citizens, they can hold any office.
Too many people have somehow gotten it into their heads the laws of the US apply to every other country, and they don’t.
IIRC the US is one of the few if not the only country in the world that makes you a citizen simply by being born in the country.
Just like some countries don’t recognize a woman as having the right to pass citizenship to the child only the father does. In that case the mother not being an American citizen would make no difference since by the laws of her country she couldn’t pass citizenship to the child.
So saying a person is or isn’t a NBC isn’t as open and closed as everyone thinks it is.
It depends on the laws of the other country as to whether or not the child is a citizen of the country.
His father being from Cuba was more than likely stateless at the time so he couldn’t pass Cuban citizenship.
If Canada doesn’t make you a citizen simply by being born in the country, then his citizenship would fall to his mother only.
You too are either a troll or guilty of the same myopia as yldstrk.
It’s not an issue of US Citizenship - it’s NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP, which was DISTINCTLY referenced in the US Constitution for ONE and ONLY ONE issue - Qualification of ANYone to be POTUS.
No one is saying a baby born abroad to a US Citizen is not a US Citizen. BUT, if they’re not born on REAL (ie the 50 states or territories) US Soil or Virtual US Soil (ie military base or diplomatic premises), then they ARE NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and hence are NOT qualified to be POTUS.
That’s incorrect. The following text is from The State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual.
7 FAM 1113 NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEANING OF IN THE UNITED STATES
c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:
(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
Even if both parents are natural or native US citizens, and they while travelling abroad etc have a child, the child may not be a natural born US citizen by virtue of the country of birth.
Only persons abroad on Official US duty are provided that specific relief for a child born overseas in conjunction with that duty.
Simply travelling aboard is not included.
US Immigration laws cover these issues and you can dig in and find the citations if you want to....
Example, McCain was born to US parents who were serving in the Canal zone, so by virtue of that duty, John is a natural US citizen. My son was born in West Germany while I was stationed there, his birth is recorded by the US consulate and he is a natural and native born US citizen by virtue of the same duty as Adm. McCain.
Joe and Sally hanging out in Italy for the summer having a child is not the same.
My understanding from years ago was based upon my father being in WWII (42 INF), the Korean War (24th INF) , and; he was in Vietnam for two years (MACV x2). Yes, I was there also in high casuality unit, but; three wars is a tip of the beret. The deal I understood was like McCain, in that if both parents were US citizens and serving this nation overseas, every military brat born in Germany, Spain, Taipei. etc. or whatever military overseas US military hospital to two US citizens was a native born citizen. Obama does not fit this.
No Retired Army Guy, McCain was ineligible and so is Cruz. McCain was born on unincorporated territory, a Congressional oversight. The Canal Zone was incorporated as sovereign territory in 1937, a year after McCain was born. It seems unfair, but what a mess we would have if "fairness" trumped laws. The most recent evidence that players in Congress understood this is S 2678, sponsored by Obama and his campaign chair, Clare McCaskill, and co-sponsored by Hillary, Leahy, Webb, and later, Menendez, in Feb 2008, the Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. The bill failed to pass.
It's objective was to make McCain appear to be eligible. It could not have had effect because only the Supreme Court may interpret provisions of the Constitution. It didn't pass so questions of constitutionality could not be asked. I agree that Article II Section 1 should be amended to cover children of military citizens, but carefully, since the concerns held by our framers hold today. Being President is not a right. The objective of the Constitution is to compile the natural law that applied to protecting our individual sovereignty from enemies foreign and domestic. The threat from foreigners was particularly important to our framers, and their prescience is remarkably valid today.
There has never been doubt about the citizenship of a child born on our soil of citizen parents. He/she is a natural born citizen. FR has thousands of citations of the five chief justices and almost thirty supreme court cases, so I won't duplicate them. Today we have immigrants, born to illegal aliens, who are naturalized as "anchor babies" - the mother reaches the US to have her baby in one of our hospitals. The child's allegiances, probably like Obama's, could be, like many Hispanics who won't salute our flag, strongest to the country of origin of his mother or father. That child is a "Native-born citizen of the US", exactly the term used by Obama on his web site to define his birth status. That is a 14th Amendment naturalized citizen. Obama is not eligible to the presidency, but his daughters are, I don't question Rubio's or McCain's or Jindal's or Cruz's allegiance, but our framers decided it was unwise to leave the president's criteria, designed to minimize the chance of a devious enemy of our Constitution, someone whose secret goal it is to replace our form of government, up to political arbitration.
Don't you wonder why our GOP hierarchy are floating naturalized citizen after naturalized citizen as fresh blood for future elections? When citizens learn that they have been deceived about what is clear from dozens of Supreme Court cases, the Republican mainstream will be seen as guilty of enabling Obama's tenure in office, even though he, Obama, always described his class of citizenship as naturalized. He knew he would never be asked. Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, have all shown their unsuitability for office by failing to honestly answer who were natural born citizen.