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A bridge in the climate debate – How to green the world’s deserts and reverse climate change
Watts Up With That? ^ | March 8, 2013 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 03/09/2013 1:36:27 PM PST by Rocky

Every once in awhile, an idea comes along that makes you ask, “gee why hasn’t anybody seen this before?”. This one of those times. This video below is something I almost didn’t watch, because my concerns were triggered by a few key words in the beginning. But, recommended by a Facebook friend, I stuck with it, and I’m glad I did, because I want every one of you, no matter what side of the climate debate you live in, to watch this and experience that light bulb moment as I did. The key here is to understand that desertification is one of the real climate changes we are witnessing as opposed to some the predicted ones we often fight over.

It is one of those seminal moments where I think a bridge has been created in the climate debate, and I hope you’ll seize the moment and embrace it. This video comes with my strongest possible recommendation, because it speaks to a real problem, with real solutions in plain language, while at the same time offering true hope.

(Excerpt) Read more at wattsupwiththat.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: globalwarming
Watch the video at the link.
1 posted on 03/09/2013 1:36:27 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Rocky

There is no global warming. global warming is a hoax

Look at solar cycle 25 and you will see the Earth will cool

That the governments spent decades and trillions$ funding this hoax shows government/socialism is a cancer that doesn’t work

The Sun determines the Earth’s climate. Without the sun the Earth would be -473 degrees below zero.


2 posted on 03/09/2013 1:43:08 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media

I’m not going to waste electricity watching a video that could have been explained in written words.

I’m already ahead of the game and its free.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 1:46:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Rocky

BFL


4 posted on 03/09/2013 1:53:32 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: Rocky

“Green the world’s deserts”?

So, all of the desert snakes, horned lizards, and cacti will just adapt to the new ‘green’ deserts?


5 posted on 03/09/2013 1:53:58 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Oh no! The Great Horny Toad!


6 posted on 03/09/2013 2:00:23 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Rocky

Quite a bit of the world’s oil reserves are under deserts. Green up deserts, get people living there, and voila - oil extraction will be totally off limits.

This is a twofer for anti-capitalists. Green up and cool the earth (supposedly) and choke off even more of the world’s oil supply. Drive us all into cities and force us to use public transit and where we can be more easily controlled by Mayor Bloomberg clones. Party time for them.


7 posted on 03/09/2013 2:03:26 PM PST by randita
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Oh no! The Great Horny Toad!


If you had said “Oh noez” my beeper would have gone off! As it is, I know you are a poser. : )


8 posted on 03/09/2013 2:16:29 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I presume you mean your beeber. I bet you don’t even have it on stune!


9 posted on 03/09/2013 2:19:12 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Rocky, here's the YouTube link for those who don't want to visit the 'blog:
Allan Savory: How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change

Allan Savory: How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change

10 posted on 03/09/2013 2:20:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Rocky
Green the deserts.

*sigh*

C'mon. Gonna irrigate the Sahara with saltwater? Oh wait, we'll all drag our garden hoses across the Atlantic?

The f***? I thought this Watts guy had some common sense.
11 posted on 03/09/2013 2:24:25 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Rocky
Interesting talk. I have spent many years hiking in the western US. In especially dry areas, trees and shrubs are spaced so far away that there is quite a bit of open ground in between. This soil is being held together by macrobiotic algae. It feels like a crust on top of the soil, with sand underneath.

The government tells us that this macrobiotic soil is a good thing, because it keeps down soil erosion. but this man is saying the opposite, that the macrobiotic soil causes too much runoff.

I believe there may also be another component missing, in that there needs to be more mycelium underneath and throughout the grass roots, which also help store water.

12 posted on 03/09/2013 2:30:44 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: JCBreckenridge

No, i know nothing of beepers but I heard about them, second hand, on FR! It stuned my beeper when I learned about it. : )


13 posted on 03/09/2013 2:31:12 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Rocky

Very interesting video. I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for posting the link.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 2:33:02 PM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Rocky

I’m no scientician, but if you “green” the deserts, while they would act as a heat sink, wouldn’t the excess water vapor lead to a greenhouse effect that would more than offset whatever carbon was absorbed by the flora?


15 posted on 03/09/2013 2:34:48 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Rocky

more bs. The only REAL problems we have are the government and the news media , and creeps who make up imaginary problems(mostly in the news media)


16 posted on 03/09/2013 2:34:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media
Without the sun the Earth would be -473 degrees below zero.

It's OK.
I have a wood stove.

17 posted on 03/09/2013 2:43:31 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: Rocky

I like his second approach a whole lot better than his first. I say it’s worth the effort on a bigger scale. As far as global warming, I remember as a child we were taught in grade school, that the sun would naturally warm the earth over time. Don’t think there is anything we can do about this, but this grazing approach and greening areas of the world sounds like a good idea. I’m far throwing money at this idea before giving it to a bunch of scam artist from Solyndra or Al Gore, etc.!


18 posted on 03/09/2013 2:44:04 PM PST by classified
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To: SaraJohnson

My beeber is totally stuned.


19 posted on 03/09/2013 2:45:45 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Coolidge 2016!)
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To: Democrat_media

I can’t figure out why we need to green the deserts. They aren’t bothering me a bit.


20 posted on 03/09/2013 2:47:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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21 posted on 03/09/2013 2:53:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: fanfan
the news media tells us Earth's climate and temperature are determined by C02 a gas that is less than 0.039% of the atmosphere. However without the Sun the Earth would be -455 degrees Fahrenheit below zero so a person with a brain will know it is the Sun that determines the Earth's temp and climate. so the news media and democrats get the public to accept more government( less freedom) gov banning light bulbs, regulating and taxing everything and coming up with all sorts of save the world schemes to let government do them , save the world from a non-existant hoax called global warming. the earth is cooling : check out solar cycle 25, yes the Sun has a solar cycle (the media doesn't mention this)

http://arcana.wikidot.com/temperature-of-outer-space
Outer space is really, really cold. -454.8 degrees Fahrenheit (-270 degrees Celsius) cold. Brr… Well, that's not completely true. Only matter can have a temperature, nothingness doesn't. And space is mostly a big empty void of nothingness. However, most random objects floating deep in space will be that temperature or very close to it.

22 posted on 03/09/2013 2:55:01 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Sirius Lee

Now you’re just making sense. ;’)

Of course, carbon dioxide is only a few hundred PPM, and has nothing whatsoever to do with climate change; climate change is 100 percent natural 100 percent of the time; and having more water vapor coming off the Sahara would lead to more rain as well, transforming places like, oh, Arabia, back into verdant places as they were in early historical times, but particularly prior to Islam.


23 posted on 03/09/2013 2:57:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s just another collectivist scheme (”we’ve got to do something”) to get us to allow the government to do something else as if they don’t do enough already. I just want the government and news media to leave me alone .


24 posted on 03/09/2013 3:04:19 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media

Some deserts have been dry for millions of years and others have fluctuated with a shifting climate. Rain shadow deserts are another issue that have a physical barrier to rain.

Its all kind of pointless.


25 posted on 03/09/2013 3:11:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the link.


26 posted on 03/09/2013 3:59:37 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Democrat_media
Interesting thread on this very subject from a 2007 forum is posted here. The Qatarra Depression in northwest Egypt is 7500 square miles with an average depth of 436 feet below sea level. Flood it and you create a huge lake while generating electricity on the short trip from the Mediterranean.

Huge lake = long shoreline near a body of water which creates evaporation and conditions necessary to make rainfall on the surrounding desert.

This isn't the only large area below sea level in the world, just one of the easiest to flood.

27 posted on 03/09/2013 4:53:21 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Rocky

When someone mentions “GREEN” anything think “RED”...


28 posted on 03/09/2013 5:06:10 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wow! That was some education. My father grew up herding sheep in the high desert. I always assumed when he told me many of the same things as Mr. Savory that his opinions were colored by his distrust of the government and what they had done to his people ever since the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains first begin to attract American settlers.

Now, I'm convinced more than ever that Dad was right.

29 posted on 03/09/2013 5:21:43 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Animal population stops desertification by breaking up that top crust with their hoofs, so the water can get to the soil beneath instead of running off.

Freeper Carry_okie has a web book about this very thing. Ask him.


30 posted on 03/09/2013 5:50:13 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Vigilanteman

Yeah, that happens to me too. Not the herding part, the dad being right after all part. Of course, like everyone, he was wrong quite a bit too. ;’)


31 posted on 03/09/2013 6:21:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: tbw2

My pleasure.


32 posted on 03/09/2013 6:21:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for all those links. And for your positive take on Savory’s talk. I must say I was disappointed at the knee-jerk reactions of so many Freepers on this thread who seem to stop listening when the guy hits one of their “hot buttons” such as global warming. I think he has some important things to share, but that doesn’t mean that I support everything he says.

Desertification is occurring. He makes the point that it isn’t necessarily because of manmade global warming. He also isn’t saying that all deserts should be “greened,” only that we should stop the spread of deserts and try to reclaim some of the land which used to be fertile and now is barren. It’s a good thing, as far as I can tell. There might be something in his talk which is very important for us to learn.


33 posted on 03/11/2013 7:44:16 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Rocky; blam

My pleasure.

Herodotus regarding Lake Tritonis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1562135/posts?page=27#27
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1669466/posts?page=27#27

Libya’s Vast Pipe Dream Taps Into Desert’s Ice Age Water
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1089444/posts

interesting citation from blam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1669466/posts?page=20#20


34 posted on 03/11/2013 8:49:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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