a paintball gun can do the same thing from thirty+ yards...
Posted on 03/16/2013 12:58:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee
The sighting of a Department of Homeland Security Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) at a gas station near Ybor City, Fla. on Wednesday is raising questions, concerns and fears about what the federal government is foreseeing in terms of likely needs for such armed and armored transports.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Let’s rattle your cage a little...
The Marines can be deployed inside the United States and are exempt from Posse Comitatus.
Not suitable for the Nut Job Conspiracy Theory Ping List. It’s out in the open.
Why not try the Bring out Your Dead Ping List? We may be needing that.
I'm sure they'll get right on it as soon as they finish writing their expose on the FBI machine-gunning Branch Davidians attempting to escape the flames on that dark April day in 1993.
Rattle my cage?
When someone expresses the rational view that we should decide if DHS has actually bought 2700 MRAPs that right now seem to actually be for the military, before we start freaking out, what does that have to do with being an opponent, or calling for a cage to be rattled?
a paintball gun can do the same thing from thirty+ yards...
I didn’t say anything about waiting for an explanation, I am waiting to find out if it is even real, and wondering why a responsible conservative reporter doesn’t just give the facts.
Post 34 shows the Marine Corps ordering 2717 MRAPS a year ago, how does that relate to this rumor?
They are getting ready to go after these “Jews”! Who are these “Jews”? If you have to ask, you are probably in one of the categories of the nrw “Jews”. But as the judas goats on this forum continually remind us,”Don’t worry, there is an explanation...
"Of course I am waiting to learn if DHS bought 2,000 MRAPs or if the Marine Corp bought them,..." - ansel12 post #22
A tagline worthy of replacing my current "Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny."
Whatever Obama is preparing to put on us, he knows we will either accept it or fight it.
Perhaps Americans are more clever than Afghanis when it comes to taking out armored vehicles...
post #7 shows a DHS MRAP in Ybor City, Fla.
post #23 has a link to a Youtube video of a DHS MRAP in El Paso, TX.
yes, I am waiting for the FACTS, did DHS even buy them.
It is you who thinks that the facts are in, and now you want an EXPLANATION, I am waiting to find out if anything happened at all, for me, until I learn that it exists, then there is nothing to explain, how do you explain something that never happened at all.
"Of course I am waiting to learn if DHS bought 2,000 MRAPs or if the Marine Corp bought them,..." - ansel12 post #22
Why not try the Bring out Your Dead Ping List? We may be needing that.
I'm stumped here. Doesn't fit any of my ping criteria very well.
But you said...
I didn’t say anything about waiting for an explanation,...
Yes, that is what is especially troubling to me. If these vehicles were being distributed around the country to respond to some 9/11 terrorist act, but stayed in the back of the police garage until some dreadful act occurred, I would be much less resistant to these. But that isn't what is happening. It is human nature that when you get one of these hammers , the bar of what constitutes a nail will keep getting lower and lower.They will keep using them to justify having them.
I have posted these to references before, these two experiments are critical in understanding what will happen and the public's reaction.
Milgram's Obedience to Authority Experiment
The government is creating a gestapo/peasant class division, just as the Stanford prison experiment created a warden/prisoner division. People will act the parts, it is human nature to do so. This means that insteading of obtaining these MRAPs in order to fight terrorism, they are obtaining them in order to cause it. The only response a free people should have to these is to shut them down, as peacefully and quickly as possible.
I couple of weeks ago I did some digging, asking ad nauseum to my elected officials and even some outside my district, specifically those in the DHS committee...One of which was Lamar Smith’s (R-Tx) office, who directed me to the actual DHS committee office...
I spoke to one staffer who was fielding these questions, and said that 16-17 of these MRAP’s were “given” to the DHS for their use, and retrofitted to their needs/specifications...
That aquisition was confirmed by the office of Jeb Hensarling (R-Tx), he happens to be on the House Finance committee who should have pretty good access/oversight on these matters, dispite that there has been no budget passed in over 4 years, and no real congressional oversight...
Now...Here is where I put a little reality into this equation...
Even thought I have heard from two credible (ahem) congressional sources, and two staffers from the actual DHS committee, one of which was a guy who is the DHS/ICE staffer...He is an ICE officer assigned to this staff as an advisor...
I am still skeptical of the validity of this information, but who does it benefit to deceive the public which is paying attention to these issues???
Knowing I could have simply asked my congressman Pete Olsen, who I think has had his pilot light blown out recently...I knew he would not have access much less get me an answer to a legitimate question...And I could have pinged Mike McCaul the chairman of the DHS committee...But I went to a couple of guys I have met and had a lot of success getting to the bottom of a few things in recent years...
But I still feel like we are being sold a bill of good here, and things are still not adding up...
My suggestion is to continue to keep out eyes and ears peeled and on the lookout for these vehicles and these SRT teams...They may not all travel in these easy to spot vehicles, but since I do not tweet on that twitter thing, the only recourse we may have is finding another possible place on the web to report these sightings, and other details, like vehicle tags, who is deployed in these vehicles, what they are doing as far as PR type work, which we have seen videos of recently...
Get a feel for where and what they are doing...
Thats about all we can do at this point, in my opinion...
So far, I have only heard of one vehicle and SRT team that is assigned to the El Paso, Texas area who’s area includes New Mexico and on up to Amarillo, Texas in its balliwick...
This sighting in Florida is new to me, and I have no doubt of its validity, and I am not so sure this is the same vehicle and crew from El Paso...
I believe the idea here is to simply get the ignorant people in this country to get used to seeing these vehicles, and disperse what few they have all around the country to make it appear that they have a lot of these teams running around, when they don’t for right now...
Make sure when they do any PR in your area, you note names, vehicle tags, unit numbers, and any other identifying characteristics to see if they do tend to change the deck and try to appear to be bigger than they are...
A suggestion till we may get a place to note this info, other than here, we start a thread with the tagwords “MRAPspotted”, and simply noted any details on who, what, where, when, and how many, etc etc etc...that way and archive search can gleen anyone the info they need to study this and draw your own conclusions...
Just my opinion...
I am not asking for someone to explain WHY they bought them.
I am trying to establish a fact, DID they buy them?
If I find out that DHS bought 2700 MRAPS, then I would seek an ‘explanation’ for why.
Do you understand? There is nothing to explain until we find out if it happened at all.
That wouldn't be an explanation?
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