Skip to comments.#22 The Quiet Funeral of "Bush Lied - Thousands Died!"
Posted on 03/19/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by DeprogramLiberalism
The following is an excerpt from an essay from the Nuclear Counterarguments Essay Series. It is the definitive counterargument to those who feel the invasion of Iraq was based on deliberate deceptions manufactured by the Bush administration. Anyone who perseveres through to the end of its equivalent of 43 X 300-word pages will never again doubt the sincerity of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq. The essay series is written to liberals in the first person, but it is also for conservatives.
Perhaps no other issue heats a liberals pot up to boil more than the Iraq War. Bush lied thousands died! That has been the liberal groupthink mantra. No matter how successful the war has ultimately turned out, no liberal will ever accept that it has been worth the blood, money and loss of reputation to America at least until they read this essay. I realize, American neighbor, that you have been led to believe that the Bush administration lied about the prewar intelligence to encourage the American publics support for the invasion of Iraq. The orthodox media, Democrat politicians and the liberal blogosphere have hammered home this assertion for years. But what evidence have they ever presented that supports their case? Simply repeating the same assertions over and over is not evidence. [c5jkk]  Get this, American neighbor: It is a simple fact that the conclusions of multiple bipartisan government oversight reports, as well as considerable other evidence does not support the liberal groupthink mantra. The rationalization behind the derogatory Bush lied thousands died! is just another liberalism. Now we will clear up this issue once and for all welcome to the lonely funeral of the liberal mantra, Bush lied thousands died! More here.
(Excerpt) Read more at deprogrammingliberalism.com ...
It won’t stop liberals from repeating the mantra. They care not at all for the facts. It’s all about promoting their failed ideology over everything else.
I have a strategy and tactics in the essays for dealing with liberals.
The fact is that the Iraq War basically caused this extreme leftward lurch going on in this country right now.
Spit on Bush and his Iraq War.
Perhaps you should read the essay before making that judgment on this thread. You’ll look less like an ideologue.
I believe Iraq fired the first shots at the US in 1987.
Google USS STARK.
I hate to admit it (as a supporter of the Iraq invasion), but I've also felt the whole thing contributed greatly to the GOP loss of Congress in 2006 and Obama's victory in 2008.
Frankly, I've always been pissed they found no WMD in Iraq. I'm still convinced that Saddam had WMD, and that they were all shipped to Syria; but the fact that GWB allowed the WMD to escape while doing that prolonged PC dance at the United Nations, is inexcusable. The WMD were, after all, *the* primary justification he used for the invasion.
Oh yeah - I had forgotten about that.
If you read the essay you will find out that there is much evidence to suggest that many of the WMD are still in Iraq.
So what? Precious little good that does us now. No WMD were found by GWB, and he had 5 years to do it. So GWB was discredited, as was the GOP that supported him. All of which contributed, IMO, to our losing the Congress in 2006 and the WH in 2008.
Furthermore, you cite "evidence to suggest." Evidence does not suggest; evidence proves. What you have in the essay is speculation.
The real issue was never a matter of whether Saddam had WMD, but that he would have again begun producing them and then providing them to terrorists after the sanctions were lifted. You really shoud read the essay. I am sure you will be greatly surprised at the many things you don’t know.
Liberals are mentally deseased.
We KNOW Saddam had WMD- HE USED THEM ON HIS OWN PEOPLE!!!!! THERE ARE PHOTOS!!!!!
LMAO!!! Do you recall all the time dithered away at the U.N., making the case for the Iraq invasion? Colin Powell's PowerPoint presentations? The satellite photos of convoys leaving Iraq for Syria, presumably transporting WMD out of the country? It was *all* about Saddam's possessing WMD. Present tense.
Are you seriously claiming that the GWB administration was trying to garner international support for the Iraq invasion on the basis of "Saddam might maybe someday in the future develop WMD for terrorists after the sanctions are lifted"? If so, your memory is clearly faulty.
kevao: All of which contributed, IMO, to our losing the Congress in 2006 and the WH in 2008.
Yep to both of you. And that loss of the WH might turn out to be permanent. It is one thing to argue over whether Bush II should have invaded Iraq: Did Saddam really have significant WMD's targeted against the West, or was he just posturing to scare his mortal enemy, Iran?
But beyond that, Bush needed to win the war QUICKLY and CLEANLY. He did neither. Everything about the occupation was bungled, including the disastrous appointment of that idiot Paul Bremer.
Of course I remember that the media and liberals made a huge political issue out of Saddam having MDs. But again, the real problem behind the scenes was not whether he had them. It was whether, even if he didn’t have any at the time, would he get the opportunity to make them again. And the answer to that question was definitely yes. There was a very widespread and stromng movement to have the sanctions against Iraq lifted that would have allowed Saddam carte blanch to again manufacture tham and then distribute as he pleased.
Bumped to read later.
The record is clear. The argument for the invasion was that Saddam *possessed* WMD. Present tense. Not that Saddam might, perhaps, someday in the future, maybe manufacture WMD....
If what you are saying is true -- that behind the scenes the judgement was that Saddam might not necessarily have any WMD at the moment -- then GWB lied to the American people and to the world community in justifying the invasion. In which case, he set himself up for certain failure, knowing he would never be able to produce any WMD.
The fact remains, GWB sold it as a necessity to disarm Saddam, and he found nothing in Iraq to substantiate his WMD claims. It was an epic failure that, as noted earlier in this thread, was very likely a contributing factor to our losses in 2006 and 2008.
The war was won cleanly....it was the aftermath that was the cluster-you-know-what.
Yes that was the politcal argument of the day. Bush didn’t lie. But there was much more to it than you know. Please just read the essay instead of arguing with me about issues clearly explian in it.
What article are you talking about? I clicked the link. It took me to a Web site where I clicked the link to the supposed article. It is one long paragraph. That’s it. The link preceding the paragraph takes me nowhere. And in the middle of the long paragraph is a citation link, which takes me to a blog.
WMD weapons were indeed found...but not in the huge quantities originally talked about. Two Senators, Santorum and what’s his face...can’t remember.sorry) held a press conference in June 2006 (?) in which they described how our forces had found over 500 shells of nerve gas. Old shells, but still capable of killing thousands.
Didn’t see more than a tiny paragraph here and there in the MSMedia...but you can still read/watch it online.
Right you are. The generals and the troops won the war cleanly, but Bush and Bremer completely FUBAR'ed the occupation.
And it's the occupation's effects that will matter most in the end.
Yes, I remember reading an article about that find right here on FR back then. And I remember thinking it was a somewhat anti-climatic find three full years after the Sturm und Drang build up to the 2003 invasion.
Your new link takes me to the same place as the previous one. Is this a joke? Why not just post the entire essay here?
By the way, thank me very much for all the hits I’ve given your site if you’re pimping.
I have tried it in both IE and Chrome and it works fine. Hundreds of other Freepers are visiting it. Maybe you have a cache problem. If you can get to my website home page http://deprogrammingliberalism.com/ the essay is #22.
How do you know this?
Website stats. It’s my essay, my website.
You know, of course, that it is in very poor taste to link a post back to your own website.
If you have something to share from your own website, just paste it all here.
Actually, it looks like you are turning out to be a common blogpimp.
Post it here and folks will read it.
Post it here.
And don't assume that you're the only one who isn't ignorant on the topic.
Please just post the whole thing here.
Nobody wants to visit your blog.
I wonder if a moderator could again remove "blogpimp" from the keywords list in this thread. Thank you.
Post your full content and save yourself some grief.
If your essay is too long to read on FreeRepublic, what makes it more readable on your website?
Does it magically condense itself?
Or maybe you used “too many notes?”
Make like Mozart and just cut a few of them out.
He doesn't get any hits if the "essay" is read here.
I have explained the reasons for my actions in posting an excerpt of an essay that is essentially a booklet in size. I won’t be responding to any more complaints about it unless they come from official sources.
If anyone wishes further address, I suggest they take it up with Admin Moderator whose recommendations I am following.