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The next amnesty would apply to at least 40 million illegal aliens
Examiner ^ | Dec. 2012 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 03/21/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by AuntB

Just how many so-called 'new Americans' are we talking about?

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan granted amnesty .... At the time, we were told that population was about 1.5 million. However, amnesty was actually granted to three million of those who crossed our borders illegally.

Between 1987 and 2005, the average annual number of apprehensions made at the U.S./Mexican border was roughly 1.3 million, with arrests reaching a peak of 1.6 million in 2000.

However, in June 2010, former president of the National Border Patrol Council, T.J. Bonner told Fox News that for every person caught trying to enter this country illegally over the U.S./Mexican border…at least two more successfully make it here.

"We’re about 33 percent effective. It's like shoveling sand against the tide," said Bonner.

So, using Bonner’s rather conservative estimate, 41.8 million illegal aliens have entered the U.S. since the 1986 amnesty.

DHS also deports those who entered the country legally on legitimate visas, but who either committed a crime while here or simply overstayed their visa.

So, we do not know exactly how many removals involved those who crossed into the U.S., by eluding the Border Patrol. However, when the DHS is deporting 400,000 foreign nationals while an estimated 1 million crossed the border illegally that same year…it is obvious that the federal government is losing ground each and every year.

Furthermore, when you consider that all of the amnesty bills proposed since 2006, contain a provision to eventually allow each amnestied illegal alien, to then bring 4 to 5 relatives to the U.S., you are looking at a truly astounding number of individuals.

If Congress does pass an amnesty bill, the resulting chain-migration could translate into an additional 200 million new U.S. citizens, or legal residents, practically overnight.

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"Furthermore, when you consider that all of the amnesty bills proposed since 2006, contain a provision to eventually allow each amnestied illegal alien, to then bring 4 to 5 relatives to the U.S., you are looking at a truly astounding number of individuals."

FURTHERMORE...these numbers don't include the millions of anchor babies born every year and become eligible to vote DEMOCRAT every year.

The govt won't tell us the truth, because they know the American people would be outraged and would figure that the border IS NOT secure.

1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

I’d reliably heard over 20 million but have seen the government try to spin the number as 10 million.

That’s a lot of scofflaws. Who then engage in identity theft and/or falsified identity presentation. Who then engage in under the counter payments and/or underreported earnings to the IRS. Some whom them wire money back to Mexico, wonder if any of them then seek public assistance because “they have no money of their own”.

The list of crimes snowballs.

Next they will want an exemption in prohibitions on government employment and financial assistance for failing to register for selective service.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 8:30:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: AuntB

Once they get that ‘free’ Obamacare, our premiums will “necessarily skyrocket”.

thanks, Congress!


3 posted on 03/21/2013 8:31:57 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: a fool in paradise

“I’d reliably heard over 20 million but have seen the government try to spin the number as 10 million.”

Yes, that 20 million figure was in the mid 2000’s. Bear Stearns came up with it with some impressive means of figuring it.

“analysis of the Pew Hispanic Center, which reported there were 11.1 million unauthorized migrants in the U.S. in March 2005 “

If we use this number from 2005, that puts the number by now at well over 20 million.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 8:43:00 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

These numbers are much more realistic than the bogus data provided by the government.

Back around 10 - 12 years when George ‘Dubya’ Bush was pushing his illegal amnesty, we were told there were around 12 million already here, with about 1 million new arrivals every year. Even then there were non-government estimates of a more realistic 20 to 30 million.

Now we are told there are only 10 million here.

It sounds like these numbers are worked up by same people who do the calculations for Obama’s monthly employment/unemployment reports.

If you want to see a reaction from the pro-amnesty crowd just ask them if they are willing to limit their proposed amnesty to the 10 million illegals they claim are here now and to deport all those in excess of 10 million.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 8:48:37 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: AuntB

the media won;t tell the truth either as they want low info voters to be low info voters and keep the Dem party in power especially on social issues


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:48:40 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: AuntB

Why even guess?

It is insanity to give unknown millions legality without placing a numerical limit. This simply represents a total loss of control the suicide of America.

The ultimate insane entitlement.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:57:12 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: AuntB

How many of those who once were illegal aliens became US citizens one by one via individual judgements because they have US born children or some ‘hardship’ or other ‘reasons’ (e.g. Aunt Zeituni)?


8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:58:52 AM PDT by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: AuntB

China should just send a 100 million over the border for this and get it over with. Mexico probably will.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:59:56 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Iron Munro; AuntB

Bush made American citizenship nearly pointless....Were talking allowing tens of millions of illegals were allowed in during his 8 years.

In fact, Bush welcomed in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades...legally.

Government intentionally divided the once united.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 9:05:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Williams

“China should just send a 100 million over the border for this and get it over with. Mexico probably will.”

Since China has become Mexico’s favorite trade partner, Mexico is FULL of Chinese. Plenty of them are crossing the border too!

And the worst part is, China won’t take them back, so they are set lose on our streets.

Sharp rise in Chinese arrests at U.S. border - Los Angeles Times
articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/05/nation/na-chinese-smuggling5
Oct 5, 2009 ... Sharp rise in Chinese arrests at U.S. border ... an almost tenfold spike in the
number of Chinese people caught in the southern Arizona desert, ...


11 posted on 03/21/2013 9:06:13 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

This thread will be as popular as a public pay phone with the assorted GOP goofballs, frauds, insiders and party cheerleaders.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 9:07:49 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Hi Dragnet2! You are right AGAIN.


13 posted on 03/21/2013 9:08:31 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: dragnet2

Oh, you missed the good one!! Real live Frobl!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998880/posts?page=122#122


14 posted on 03/21/2013 9:10:11 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Bush made American citizenship nearly pointless....Were talking allowing tens of millions of illegals were allowed in during his 8 years.

In fact, Bush welcomed in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades...legally.

Government intentionally divided the once united.

Here's the big "Red" state below...

Dallas Texas 2006, Embolden by Bush, 500,000 illegals and their supporters march on Dallas and many other cities, making demands and threats while waving foreign flags....

DURING WARTIME~

15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:11:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AuntB

Fester is a Midwest leftist to the core...

He’s the in-house token open borders liberal.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 9:22:03 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AuntB

What we have is a political system led by the corrupt with the aid of the ignorant in selling the country out at every opportunity for it’s own benfit.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:26:33 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: AuntB; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

And the Sheeple still believe the 10-11 Million figure espoused by ABCNBCCBSCNNFOX every day.

18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:26:35 AM PDT by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: AuntB

Hmmm somewhere between 600,000 and 700,000 people required to make a new congressional district. That adds up to a whole crapload of new democrat districts.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 9:26:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dragnet2
In fact, Bush welcomed in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades...legally.

All of the points you make are sad to recall but oh so true.

Even on the day of the 9/11 attacks when Dubya issued a no-fly order for the entire country he gave personal permission for the Saudis to receive special treatment.

He allowed them to fly aircraft out loaded with Saudi citizens who did not have to go through any kind of inspection - no ID check, no checks for belongings, items being transported, etc.

I would still vote for him over Gore or Kerry but it would be still be close to a Hobson's Choice, just like it was back in 2000 and 2004 - the lesser of two evils.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 9:29:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: dragnet2; AuntB

Nice pic of the poor wee illegal aliens hiding in the shadows...

Do you have a zoomed in version where we can see the fear in their innocent eyes ???


21 posted on 03/21/2013 9:30:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; dragnet2

“Nice pic of the poor wee illegal aliens hiding in the shadows...

Do you have a zoomed in version where we can see the fear in their innocent eyes ???”

Right!! In the shadows!!! Like they were at the ACU sponsored CPac..

[snip]”NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — Spanish-speaking wait staff hustled around the Conservative Political Action Conference ballroom Thursday evening, laying out cups and silverware with such precision and speed the room echoed with the sound of clinking wine glasses, rolling food carts and pounding plates.
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2013/03/go-for-short-listwho-has-not-sold-out.html


22 posted on 03/21/2013 9:34:43 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: HiJinx

That 11 M figure went to the wayside decades ago, but it sounds “manageable” and less threatening.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 9:35:22 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: dragnet2
In fact, Bush welcomed in more Muslims after 911 than the previous two decades...legally.

I see from the news this morning that the investigation of the murder of the Colorado prisons bigwig seems to be leaning toward muslims upset with the sentencing of the islamderthal who had a slave.
24 posted on 03/21/2013 9:38:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AuntB
Spanish-speaking wait staff hustled around the Conservative Political Action Conference ballroom Thursday evening, laying out cups

Like Bush's Homeland Security boss, Chertoff was found to have people who had entered the U.S. illegally, wandering around the inside of his private residence...During wartime yet...

It's one big farce, a wide open conspiracy specifically met to divide the once united in an effort for government to gain more control, in it's march towards total control and Socialism...It worked extremely well.

It would be like flooding the country with trillions in counterfeit currency..Oh wait...

25 posted on 03/21/2013 9:45:20 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“It would be like flooding the country with trillions in counterfeit currency..Oh wait...”

LOL...yep!

You may have missed all the CPAC discussion. Al Cardenas, head of the Amer.Conservative Union is ALL out for amnesty, as is his cohort Grover Norquist. NOTHING conservative about that bunch! We are SO sold out!

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2013/03/conservativestea-partyclean-out-your.html


26 posted on 03/21/2013 9:57:33 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Iron Munro

“Back around 10 - 12 years when George ‘Dubya’ Bush was pushing his illegal amnesty, we were told there were around 12 million already here, with about 1 million new arrivals every year. Even then there were non-government estimates of a more realistic 20 to 30 million.”

Are you sure about your dates. I would swear those numbers were used while Bubba and Jezebel were P.
The floodgates were wide open from the end of RR’s last term and Pappa Bushs term.


27 posted on 03/21/2013 10:04:09 AM PDT by winodog
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To: AuntB
"analysis of the Pew Hispanic Center, which reported there were 11.1 million"

From their own website, their mission statement begins:

"Founded in 2001, the Pew Hispanic Center is a nonpartisan research organization that seeks to improve understanding of the U.S. Hispanic population..."
When the truth (a higher estimate) was incompatible with their mission of 'improving understanding' of the Hispanic population, you can bet the house the truth had no chance!
28 posted on 03/21/2013 10:06:45 AM PDT by drpix
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To: winodog; Iron Munro

“Are you sure about your dates. I would swear those numbers were used while Bubba and Jezebel were P.
The floodgates were wide open from the end of RR’s last term and Pappa Bushs term.”

Actually, Clinton was pretty good at workplace enforcement until 1998. Gingrich, Chambliss, Isaacson, the entire Republican Georgia delegation wrote a formal letter demanding workplace enforcement be stopped because it was upsetting their big Vidalia Onion producers. It’s been downhill since.


29 posted on 03/21/2013 10:11:35 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: winodog
Are you sure about your dates. I would swear those numbers were used while Bubba and Jezebel were P.

I'm not sure it wasn't before Dubya's time also - you may very well be right.

I can only say with certainty that I remember numbers like that being thrown around during his terms as well.


30 posted on 03/21/2013 10:14:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Williams

This bullshit is ridiculous.

There aren’t even 100 million Mexican folks total.

China FWIW can’t spare the people, they have a shortage.


31 posted on 03/21/2013 10:14:27 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“This bullshit is ridiculous.

There aren’t even 100 million Mexican folks total.”

Population of Mexico is around 112 million, ranking as 11th most populated
country of the world.

All illegal aliens aren’t Mexican. There are 50 thousand illegal alien Irishmen! Just Irish!


32 posted on 03/21/2013 10:21:24 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JCBreckenridge; Williams
"This bullshit is ridiculous."

Don't be so sure that all the high estimates have to be wrong.

"150 Million Adults Worldwide Would Migrate to the U.S" - gallup.com

And 150 million does not include the spouses and children of the "150 million adullts."

33 posted on 03/21/2013 10:23:42 AM PDT by drpix
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To: JCBreckenridge

Let’s keep adding:

“Our best estimate is that there are 75,000 to 125,000 illegal Haitian immigrants in
the country. In 2000, the INS estimated there were 76,000 illegal Haitian .”

We’ve got a lot more since their big floods...so let’s say 125,000. JUST HAITIANS

59 percent of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. Other countries in the top 10: El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, China, the Philippines, India, Korea, Ecuador and Vietnam.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 10:26:33 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: drpix

That’s worldwide. China being, say, 1/6th or so, would be about 25 million from China. Which is high - but not 100 million from just China.

There are reasonable numbers, and there are unreasonable ones. Saying that 100 million Chinese are going to just come to America is just not going to happen.

This number btw - is going to go down as time goes on. I know people say that it is impossible but it can and will. There will come a time when there is no immigration demand to the US whatsoever.


35 posted on 03/21/2013 10:27:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“This number btw - is going to go down as time goes on. I know people say that it is impossible but it can and will. There will come a time when there is no immigration demand to the US whatsoever.”

I agree...WHO is going to want to come here when we’re just another 3rd world dump????


36 posted on 03/21/2013 10:30:32 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

And how many Mexicans total? There’s only 115 million in Mexico! You’re telling me that more than 4/5ths of Mexicans would pack up and leave to come to America? Not happening.

Did you know that the TFR in Mexico is just 2.27? That means that over a period of 20 years, there would be just 9.3 million Mexicans more than what is needed to keep the population stable. So I’d estimate total Mexican immigration demand to be around a half a million a year, assuming almost all go to the United States.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 10:31:46 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: AuntB

“I agree...WHO is going to want to come here when we’re just another 3rd world dump????”

It’s called falling birthrates. Look it up sometime and educate yourself. People aren’t going to come to America because the people just aren’t there. That’s why there’s not much immigration from Europe.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 10:33:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: AuntB
Also never mentioned is the admin nightmare another amnesty would cause. Only “solution” would be for more expansion of government agencies to deal with the increased workload. I'm talking double or triple the people we have now.

A couple of years ago, a caller to Rush gave out a shocker. He wouldn't give out which government agency he worked for but said that they're still dealing with administration and paperwork from the Reagan amnesty as of that year. So the last one is now going on at least 26 years.

39 posted on 03/21/2013 10:33:26 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: TurboZamboni

And us Conservatives will be whittled down to nothing more than minor pockets of resistance.


40 posted on 03/21/2013 10:33:31 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: AuntB

Levin was all over this like white on rice yesterday. He had a great fact that 2/3 of the Mexicans in US that are ALREADY eligible for citizenship are not applying for it.

Nearly two-thirds of the 5.4 million legal immigrants from Mexico who are eligible to become citizens of the United States have not yet taken that step. Their rate of naturalization—36%—is only half that of legal immigrants from all other countries combined, according to an analysis of Census Bureau data.

http://www.pewresearch.org/2013/02/06/immigration-tip-sheet-on-u-s-public-opinion/

So Amnesty is provability the great train robbery of the 21st century. The people that it is for don’t even want it! This is about domestic U.S. politics. The elites want to control the middle class and this is one of the ways to do it. Nothing short of treason on the part of the GOP to go along with this.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 10:35:38 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: AuntB

50 thousand is a drop in the bucket.


42 posted on 03/21/2013 10:37:04 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“You’re telling me that more than 4/5ths of Mexicans would pack up and leave to come to America? “

I NEVER said that. Since you can’t follow a conversation, I won’t bother with you again.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 10:37:19 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Yeah you did. You said 100 million Chinese + Mexicans.

Which is ludicrious - there aren’t even 25 million that would willingly go to America.

At least we’ve established that your positions are based on hysteria and not evidence.


44 posted on 03/21/2013 10:39:04 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Yeah you did. You said 100 million Chinese + Mexicans.”

NO, I did not! BE careful about someone elses quote, I said NO SUCH THING. If you can’t keep up, GET OUT!

Show it or SHUT UP.


45 posted on 03/21/2013 10:42:22 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JCBreckenridge; All

“Yeah you did. You said 100 million Chinese + Mexicans.

Which is ludicrious - there aren’t even 25 million that would willingly go to America.

At least we’ve established that your positions are based on hysteria and not evidence.”

C’mon, smart guy...point out where I said there are 100 million chinese in this country!!! NOW!

All you’ve got is insults! WHAT is your point???? If you’re for amnesty or open borders, just say so! But STOP LYING about what people say!


46 posted on 03/21/2013 10:44:35 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I didn't post to specifically support the 100 million Chinese number.

In fact the link I posted estimated "22 million" Chinese "would likely come" - but to this you would have to add their spouses and children (and maybe their parents and siblings).

I mainly posted to give a grasp of how the HIGH the worldwide numbers really are and how CLUELESS Rand Paul is when (in his recent speech on idea of immigration reform) he said:

"If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you."

47 posted on 03/21/2013 10:47:57 AM PDT by drpix
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m waiting!!!


48 posted on 03/21/2013 10:55:29 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Which is ludicrious - there aren’t even 25 million that would willingly go to America.

How funny, it's estimated there are 25 million more Chinese men entering marriageable age than Chinese women.

though you're probably right; Chinese think American women are ignorant sluts.

49 posted on 03/21/2013 11:00:21 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: drpix

To put it in perspective, present migration rate is just over a million and a half people a year, or about .4 percent. Demand at present is about 6x this, or what would be 2 percent immigration per year.

However, this is just at present. Those numbers are going to change. Thanks to Obama, America now has a long term deficit of about 600k people per year, about 40 percent of the present immigration rate.

If the people shortage increases while the immigration demand to the United States drops, it would be quite possible to see US total immigration demand be less than the present worker shortage (as we see in China, Japan and most of eastern Europe).

Paul might be wrong today, but he won’t be wrong for long.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 11:46:10 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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