Skip to comments.Does This Finding Prove Jesusí Resurrection? New Book Offers Stunning Details About the Shroud
Posted on 03/30/2013 1:29:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Same as Breitbart.
It’s interesting that with all the modern technology, no one has been able to duplicate this “medieval forgery.”
Even if the shroud was the burial cloth of Christ, even if certified dead people came back to life speaking of the horrors of hell; if stubborn sin ridden folk don’t want to submit to God then they’ll come up with any excuse not to do so!
The Shroud of Turin proves for all time the greatest of all miracles, the resurection of Jesus, and not just that Jesus is for REAL.
The Shroud of Turin controversy is meaningless. You either believe or you don’t.
Users can magnify images, which allows them to see the hidden details, like the red and white wax drops from candle ceremonies during the burial.
Over the decades, I have read books, visited web sites and watched several excellent videos on the shroud but this is the first I've heard about wax drops.
There are also pollens in the fabric from plants which grow only in Israel near Jerusalem.
Galilee I believe.
If they don’t accept the testimony of even Thomas, will they even accept the shroud without doubt?
Reminds me of Lazarus and the rich man, ...
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(29) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
(30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
(31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
On the other hand, even in the Shroud, the Gospel is made manifest and may be used as a reference in communicating the Word of God.
Actually, the historical record from the time (e.g. the writings of Josephus, Tacitus, and others) attest to the existence of Jesus.
When the previous tests were completed on the Shroud (back in 1988 or so) I was stunned to watch the evening news and have them declare that the dating tests placed the Shroud as being from the 14th or 15th Century.
I remember asking the person next to me: "Didn't the same reporter just say the cloth was repaired using period cloth because of a fire during thin 1532?"
The person next to me said: "Yeah, that's what he said."
And both of us looked at each other, and then the TV screen where they declared the entire Shroud as a Medieval forgery.
Call me crazy, but not only was that all bad science, it was duplicitous and blatantly dishonest - by all parties involved: the scientific community, the Vatican, and the news media.
It almost seemed as if evil forces were at work.
In the past few years, using the latest computer and forensic technology, the Shroud has yielded even more evidence regarding a three dimensional image that NO OTHER piece of cloth from history has.
There are powers at work here beyond science. I believe God has left us the Shroud as a road marker of ultimate faith - either you take read the road marker and heed it, or you don't and drive off the cliff.
People should realize where that cliff ultimately leads if they do not have Christ in their lives.
It is the ultimate doom.
"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
I knew about the pollen but this is the first time I have heard anything about wax drops .. from the actual funeral. Speaking of pollen, they can trace the route of the shroud from Italy all the way back to Jerusalem from the pollen found on the shroud.
Samples of pollen collected from the Shroud by commission member Frei (1978) yielded identifications of 49 species of plants, representative of specific phytogeographical regions. In addition to 16 species of plants found in northern Europe, Frei identified 13 species of halophyte and desert plants "very characteristic of or exclusive to the Negev and Dead Sea area." A further 20 plant types were assigned to the Anatolian steppes, particularly the region of southwestern Turkey-northern Syria, and the Istanbul area. Frei concluded that the Shroud must have been exposed to air in the past in Palestine, Turkey, and Europe.
I stand corrected. Ironically, the piece that was tested for C14 was one of the patches added in the middle ages. The weave is close to the original, but not exactly the same.
What I find ludicrous about the notion of a medieval artist having painted the shroud is that during the medieval era, artists did not fully understand perspective, which is why figures look “flat” and two dimensional on the canvas. Yet on the shroud you can see depth in the figure. I could never understand how the medieval artist hoax theory ever got traction for that reason,
People who don't believe in Jesus Christ need to not believe in the Shroud.
A Jesuit priest by the name of Francis Filas used to make tours and films about the shroud. He had a brother Thomas, who was among other things was a composer of religious music that I happen to know and would sing his hymns at this small rural parish church to which we both belonged. Both brothers devoted their lives to promoting the shroud and when Tom passed away the bult of his estate went into supporting scientific examination of this sacred object.
It seems their faith in this object has been supported.
I remember watching that too.
You know what always got me: The location of the nails. Here’s an exercise for anyone who thinks it’s from the middle ages. Go to the Uffizi in Florence, or the Academia (where Michaelangelo’s David is) or even the Louve, and check out the artwork from the 12th to the 15th centuries, 100 years before and after the shroud was “made” according to the C14 results. Every third or fourth painting will be about the crucifixion, and every one shows the nails going through Christ’s palms.
All of them are wrong. The Romans didn’t crucify like that. It can’t support the body. Instead the Romans drove the nails through a point in the wrist below the thumb. Research has demonstrated this.
Now look at the shroud.
Would someone who doesn’t believe in the shroud care to explain to me why an artist depicted an accurate Roman crucifixion at a time when everyone else around him, including his patron, would have expected the nails through His palms as normal and accurate?
Jesus is also the only religious figure that, historically, we can prove existed.
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