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Does This Finding Prove Jesusí Resurrection? New Book Offers Stunning Details About the Shroud
The Blaze ^ | March 28, 2013 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 03/30/2013 1:29:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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I don't need proof, but this seems real.
1 posted on 03/30/2013 1:29:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If The Blaze was not so cluttered, I'd go and read the article.

Same as Breitbart.

2 posted on 03/30/2013 1:31:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s interesting that with all the modern technology, no one has been able to duplicate this “medieval forgery.”


3 posted on 03/30/2013 1:32:35 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even if the shroud was the burial cloth of Christ, even if certified dead people came back to life speaking of the horrors of hell; if stubborn sin ridden folk don’t want to submit to God then they’ll come up with any excuse not to do so!


4 posted on 03/30/2013 1:42:53 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Shroud of Turin proves for all time the greatest of all miracles, the resurection of Jesus, and not just that Jesus is for REAL.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 3:23:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Shroud of Turin controversy is meaningless. You either believe or you don’t.


6 posted on 03/30/2013 3:26:15 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Biggirl; Swordmaker
Just read an interesting article from Rome Reports.

Users can magnify images, which allows them to see the “hidden” details, like the red and white wax drops from candle ceremonies during the burial.

Over the decades, I have read books, visited web sites and watched several excellent videos on the shroud but this is the first I've heard about wax drops.

Source

7 posted on 03/30/2013 3:32:10 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

later...


8 posted on 03/30/2013 3:34:17 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: NYer

There are also pollens in the fabric from plants which grow only in Israel near Jerusalem.


9 posted on 03/30/2013 3:35:49 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: mkmensinger

Galilee I believe.


10 posted on 03/30/2013 3:40:34 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: mdmathis6

If they don’t accept the testimony of even Thomas, will they even accept the shroud without doubt?

Reminds me of Lazarus and the rich man, ...

Luk 16:27-31
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(29) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
(30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
(31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

On the other hand, even in the Shroud, the Gospel is made manifest and may be used as a reference in communicating the Word of God.


11 posted on 03/30/2013 3:44:21 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Biggirl
“The Shroud of Turin proves for all time the greatest of all miracles, the resurection of Jesus, and not just that Jesus is for REAL.”

Actually, the historical record from the time (e.g. the writings of Josephus, Tacitus, and others) attest to the existence of Jesus.

12 posted on 03/30/2013 3:45:37 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Swordmaker
I am certainly no expert on the Shroud, but I have read about it extensively and seen several documentaries.

When the previous tests were completed on the Shroud (back in 1988 or so) I was stunned to watch the evening news and have them declare that the dating tests placed the Shroud as being from the 14th or 15th Century.

I remember asking the person next to me: "Didn't the same reporter just say the cloth was repaired using period cloth because of a fire during thin 1532?"

The person next to me said: "Yeah, that's what he said."

And both of us looked at each other, and then the TV screen where they declared the entire Shroud as a Medieval forgery.

Call me crazy, but not only was that all bad science, it was duplicitous and blatantly dishonest - by all parties involved: the scientific community, the Vatican, and the news media.

It almost seemed as if evil forces were at work.

In the past few years, using the latest computer and forensic technology, the Shroud has yielded even more evidence regarding a three dimensional image that NO OTHER piece of cloth from history has.

There are powers at work here beyond science. I believe God has left us the Shroud as a road marker of ultimate faith - either you take read the road marker and heed it, or you don't and drive off the cliff.

People should realize where that cliff ultimately leads if they do not have Christ in their lives.

It is the ultimate doom.

"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

John 20:29

13 posted on 03/30/2013 3:47:13 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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There are also pollens in the fabric from plants which grow only in Israel near Jerusalem.

I knew about the pollen but this is the first time I have heard anything about wax drops .. from the actual funeral. Speaking of pollen, they can trace the route of the shroud from Italy all the way back to Jerusalem from the pollen found on the shroud.

Samples of pollen collected from the Shroud by commission member Frei (1978) yielded identifications of 49 species of plants, representative of specific phytogeographical regions. In addition to 16 species of plants found in northern Europe, Frei identified 13 species of halophyte and desert plants "very characteristic of or exclusive to the Negev and Dead Sea area." A further 20 plant types were assigned to the Anatolian steppes, particularly the region of southwestern Turkey-northern Syria, and the Istanbul area. Frei concluded that the Shroud must have been exposed to air in the past in Palestine, Turkey, and Europe.

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14 posted on 03/30/2013 3:48:20 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I stand corrected. Ironically, the piece that was tested for C14 was one of the patches added in the middle ages. The weave is close to the original, but not exactly the same.


15 posted on 03/30/2013 3:49:40 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I find ludicrous about the notion of a medieval artist having painted the shroud is that during the medieval era, artists did not fully understand perspective, which is why figures look “flat” and two dimensional on the canvas. Yet on the shroud you can see depth in the figure. I could never understand how the medieval artist hoax theory ever got traction for that reason,


16 posted on 03/30/2013 4:00:53 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
People who believe in Jesus Christ do not need to believe in the Shroud.

People who don't believe in Jesus Christ need to not believe in the Shroud.

17 posted on 03/30/2013 4:21:43 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Justifiable homicide.)
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To: knarf

A Jesuit priest by the name of Francis Filas used to make tours and films about the shroud. He had a brother Thomas, who was among other things was a composer of religious music that I happen to know and would sing his hymns at this small rural parish church to which we both belonged. Both brothers devoted their lives to promoting the shroud and when Tom passed away the bult of his estate went into supporting scientific examination of this sacred object.
It seems their faith in this object has been supported.


18 posted on 03/30/2013 4:24:32 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: SkyPilot

I remember watching that too.

You know what always got me: The location of the nails. Here’s an exercise for anyone who thinks it’s from the middle ages. Go to the Uffizi in Florence, or the Academia (where Michaelangelo’s David is) or even the Louve, and check out the artwork from the 12th to the 15th centuries, 100 years before and after the shroud was “made” according to the C14 results. Every third or fourth painting will be about the crucifixion, and every one shows the nails going through Christ’s palms.

All of them are wrong. The Romans didn’t crucify like that. It can’t support the body. Instead the Romans drove the nails through a point in the wrist below the thumb. Research has demonstrated this.

Now look at the shroud.

Would someone who doesn’t believe in the shroud care to explain to me why an artist depicted an accurate Roman crucifixion at a time when everyone else around him, including his patron, would have expected the nails through His palms as normal and accurate?


19 posted on 03/30/2013 4:56:28 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Biggirl

Jesus is also the only religious figure that, historically, we can prove existed.


20 posted on 03/30/2013 5:23:55 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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