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Civil War And The Litmus Test - "Will you shoot Americans?"
Youtube ^ | 3/27/13 | Dr. Jim Garrow

Posted on 03/30/2013 10:28:42 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: Nachum
The military has many advantages over a civilian population

Armed US civilians: 100 million
Armed US military personnel: 1.5 million

You figure the odds...

21 posted on 03/30/2013 11:54:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Just for a little thought exercise, consider this.

The US Military used a surprisingly large fraction of their assets and 250000 soldiers in Iraq, a geographic area less than the size of Texas, to combat what was never more than 10,000 jihadi armed primarily with short to medium range AK 47 assault rifles and RPG anti tank weapons.

After 5 years, the only reason we actually defeated them was because the local tribes got tired of being tortured and abused by foreign born fighters who were also demanding their daughters as tribute which was the final straw.

Since Obama was elected in 2008 something like 34 million guns have been sold and about 10 million have been sold in the last 6 months since the 2012 elections.

Annual civilian ammo purchases are several billion rounds per year.

Our military totals about 1.5 million men and women, most of whom are fighting FOR their country and have no intention of fighting against their country.

While I have no doubt that Obama and many others in his administration and the Democrat party would love nothing more than to turn their Brown Shirts loose on the American people and were actively working in that direction, I think that their behavior over the last 6 months has backfired on them and they have been stunned buy the reaction of the American people who have a pretty good idea of whats going on.

Even a lot very liberal people are very worried about the actions of the Obama Administration and are buying weapons to protect themselves.

The recent run on guns has stunned the political class and really scared the c**p out of the Politicians in Washington on a lot of different levels, not least because they can do the same math listed above.

22 posted on 03/31/2013 12:11:19 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: FreedomStar3028
Lots of Americans will I believe. But the media isn’t going to report on it, so people that are on the fence are going to have no one to follow for the sole fact that they won’t know there is someone to follow.

They will once the most left-wing and enabling of those journalists start dropping like flies.
23 posted on 03/31/2013 12:16:52 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Windflier

Armed US military personnel: 1.5 million


A large number are REMF’s.


24 posted on 03/31/2013 12:22:37 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: laplata

The MSM will be one of the first targets of the resistence.


History shows that when faced with irreconcilable differences, bad things can happen.

The Press and other Media have essentially become the propaganda arm of the Left over the last decade or so and much of what they have done is viewed as treason in many circles in the flyover country they so detest and disdain.

They seem to be getting worse and worse in their partisanship and their lying to protect their political allies.

It’s gotten so bad that the basic facts that the Mainstream Media are propagandists for the Left is not even in dispute any longer- it just depends on whose side you are on.

They are loved by the left because they are propagandists for their Marxist agenda and they are hated by the rest who oppose their propaganda supporting the Lefts Marxist agenda.

If things get sideways they are not going to act in an unbiased fashion and they are going to choose sides with the Left.


25 posted on 03/31/2013 12:24:49 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

You’re exactly right.

And they’ll be afraid to go out in public.


26 posted on 03/31/2013 12:27:26 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: Nachum

We will be massacred. History says indeed people will savagely kill “the enemy” whilst smoking and joking. It is imperative that we do two things, one do not allow ourselves to be called the enemy. Two, keep connecting with one another, especially our military. A person must either experience a psychotic break or break the human bond to kill another.


27 posted on 03/31/2013 2:02:47 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: DesertRhino

I suspect it is a reference to a picture that recently gained global attention from the Syrian civil war of a dead child left to lie on a street corner for days.


28 posted on 03/31/2013 2:45:19 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: tet68

DITTO!


29 posted on 03/31/2013 3:37:53 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: All

That this question is even asked speaks volumes about the state of Acirema today. That it is a topic of discussion is even more telling.

Of course, the military will do as they are told. We need look no farther back into history than Germany, 1933-1945 to see how the miitary will act.

Those who disagree MUST follow Robert E. Lee’s example and that of the cadets who followed him - resign and leave. Take as many guns and rounds of ammo as they can and prepare to defend freedom.


30 posted on 03/31/2013 4:41:14 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: FreedomStar3028
I’m so tired of all the doom porn.

OK, tell us the good news, i.e., how the country is going to be turned around and there will be nothing but sunshine and roses in our future.

31 posted on 03/31/2013 4:48:19 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Nachum

Chicago and Detroit are soft targets?

The people in those cities are used to pointing a weapon at another human,and pulling the trigger.

Not too many places like that in the US.

I would try Brentwood, Greenwich, Wellesley first.


32 posted on 03/31/2013 4:56:34 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: DesertRhino
“The DHS and TSA is in the process of being conditioned to accept a violent response from civilians. They will fire on any resistance. “

Of course they would fire upon resistance. “Resistance” of course, being what they would encounter when they start actions. What they are not prepared for, is to be the prey. If a government ever went totalitarian against an armed populace, they would indeed create a few Wacos and Ruby Ridges.
“But once a certain line was crossed and there was wide understanding of what was happening, there would be nowhere safe for the oppressors, their families, and their enablers. (if the history of such nasty conflicts around the world is any guide)

This is a truly horrifying future to contemplate, let us hope our government deviates from the course of centralizing power that they have started down under Obama.”

Keep in mind a few boxcutters took down the World Trade Center. All it takes is one box cutter to neuter one traitor at a time! That is what real soldiers have to keep in mind In Civil War, there is not quarter asked and none given. That is why civil war has been an infrequent occurance north of the Rio Grande sine 1865!

33 posted on 03/31/2013 5:09:53 AM PDT by texican01
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To: DesertRhino
there would be nowhere safe for the oppressors, their families, and their enablers

I trust this includes the enabler-in-chief.

35 posted on 03/31/2013 5:17:00 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: laplata

And a large number of trigger-pullers aren’t down for the whole totalitarian thing.


36 posted on 03/31/2013 5:20:45 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Nachum; All
the military asking the question "will you shoot Americans if they won't give you their guns?"

Every LEO/Military gun grabber would have to lay their head on a pillow each night.

As do their families.

Imagine the blow to morale if something bad happened. Or happened a few times around the country.

Just imagining what could be if they push it.
37 posted on 03/31/2013 5:26:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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38 posted on 03/31/2013 5:33:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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39 posted on 03/31/2013 5:35:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomStar3028
I think folks over estimate the capabilities of Uncle Sugar.

Remember, the average Joe is very well armed, more so than other societies throughout history that have fallen to tyranny.

Take the American deer hunter, crack shot at hundreds of yards. How many deer hunters are there in America?

Freedom to an American is like bloody flesh to a bear, once you've had a taste, you'll defend it with ferocity.

Y'all don't UNDER estimate the average Joe-six-pack. If that line is ever crossed, it will be ugly, but freedom loving Americans will prevail...no doubt in my mind.

40 posted on 03/31/2013 5:59:52 AM PDT by servantboy777
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