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1 posted on 03/31/2013 8:00:51 AM PDT by Amerisraelhere
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To: Amerisraelhere

Thank you for the well-chosen excerpts of MacArthur’s work as an explanation for the pickle we are in at this time.


2 posted on 03/31/2013 8:04:25 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Amerisraelhere

For some reason MacArthur didn’t think there were 300,000 Chinese military on the border of North Korea before they invaded.


3 posted on 03/31/2013 8:09:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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It would have been better if he would have been given the authority to nuke those 300,000 Chinese as they came pouring over the border. This more than likely would have collapsed Mao’s new Chi-Com government and allowed us to re-install Chang Kai-shek.


4 posted on 03/31/2013 8:13:06 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Amerisraelhere

Those same principles apply to dealing with the left.


5 posted on 03/31/2013 8:13:46 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Amerisraelhere
Judging MacArthur is a complex business. I will say this: The USA used to fight wars to win. We did whatever it took, and if the other side suffered, it was just evidence that messing with the USA was a bad idea. MacArthur wanted to win in Korea, and if that meant taking on China and/or using nukes, then he was ready and willing. The politicians (Truman) decided that in the name of political expediency, perhaps a lighter touch would be desirable.

Haven't really won a war since.

6 posted on 03/31/2013 8:13:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Amerisraelhere

“But with regard to his handling of the illegal Chinese military involvement and attack against U.S. and allied troops in Korea, Truman was flat out wrong.”

I have only one problem with the statement quoted above, and that is with just one word in it - the term “illegal”. That is only acceptable if one accepts the United Nations as a binding “legal” authority, which in the first place I do not and in the second place China was not a member at the time.


8 posted on 03/31/2013 8:20:17 AM PDT by Wuli
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As I recall from those days of listening to the daily bickering about the size and shape of the table to conduct peace treaty meetings on, McA was fired because he proposed, in lieu of the reasons stated in his book, that the US lay down a miles wide corridor of Cobalt 60.


9 posted on 03/31/2013 8:27:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Well, if China had successfully occupied the entire Korean peninsula (which they do still consider their territory, historically) all of it today might look more like Shanghai or Shenzhen than Pyongyang. There isn't a vast substantive difference between the governments of China and South Korea, today. The Kims would never have maintained the rule by cult of personality they have today under the oversight of Beijing. By "winning", we liberated Seoul but trapped Pyongyang in a 1953 time warp.

On the other hand, if China had taken the Koreas, they would surely have started much more trouble with Japan in the 50's and 60's.

Sometimes history unfolds in strange ways. Churchill warned about wars having grave and unforeseeable consequences.

10 posted on 03/31/2013 8:31:00 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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Patton had the better idea.


13 posted on 03/31/2013 9:03:16 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Amerisraelhere

yeah he probably was


14 posted on 03/31/2013 9:05:51 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Amerisraelhere

truman was an idiot


15 posted on 03/31/2013 9:07:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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22 posted on 03/31/2013 10:19:58 AM PDT by Amerisraelhere
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In such times we need hard men running things.

24 posted on 03/31/2013 10:24:23 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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Patton, McCarthy, MacArthur, Churchill.......all great men,with vision, vindicated.


27 posted on 03/31/2013 10:57:04 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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MacArthur was probably the worst general we ever had. He blew the defense of the Philippines. He got a medal of honor for leaving everyone else to suffer the Bataan death march. His campaigns in the pacific were largely designed to give him a role for political reasons. The island hopping campaign could have easily succeeded without any of his land campaigns. Without any resupply due to the USN perfection of the Herman style of submarine warfare, New Guinea, Borneo, the Philippines, all would have been unable to strike out and interfere. They could have barely avoided starvation.
The Philippines campaign was mostly conducted because he said ‘i shall return’.
He also gets the credit for the landing at Inchon, as though the USN and USMC had never heard of amphibious warfare.
And while Inchon was fine, he never gets any credit for the defeats down to Pusan.
He did a moderately ok job on occupation duty, because he could be an ersatz monarch.
And last,, everybody was telling him the Chinese were massing and he ignored it all.
He cost uncountable US soldier lives thru his incompetence. He likely prolonged WWII and Korea.


28 posted on 03/31/2013 11:22:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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The Chinese had spies in the White House who told them in advance Truman would not use nuclear weapons. Had Truman been the other way the Chinese would not have invaded in the first place.


31 posted on 03/31/2013 3:07:03 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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