“Polygamy would have to be permitted”

Legal Insurrection ^ | March 31, 2013 | Professor William A. Jacobson

[Elsie]

And; once a month would suit them just fine.

Betty; don’t YOU have the third Thursday evcery month??

[Elsie]

I’ve got $5 that says that before 2016 there will be legal polygamy in at least one state, if not more.

But wouldn't that just aggravate the OTHER 56 of them?

[HerrBlucher]

Next thing you know, perverted fathers who have twisted the minds of their daughters will be lining up at the altar.

Or their sons.

[Oregon Betsy Ross]

“Incest is bad on the gene pool so that one’s easy to keep banned”

Not so fast, bub. If you’re making this about genetic anomalies, all women 30 and over would be banned from having children since they are highly likely to have a down syndrome baby. Moreover, if you’re making it about genetics, any mother who’s post menopausal would be able to marry her son. Two brothers could get married, etc. If they open the door for gay marriage, it’s all on the table.

[ThePatriotsFlag]

Somehow, pedaphilia would also get into the mix...how is this different than “gay?” If it is “in the genes” then these people “can’t help it” so they’ll have to be taken into consideration too. Normal people are going to be the minority.

[Elsie]

If it is “in the genes” then... ...the Christian GOD is an OGRE!!!!

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

[jonno]

Isn’t FR a great place?!

There is nothing like stating your “reasonable” opinion - only to have it ripped to shreds by folks who care about you.

Your only mistake as I see it was/is to make the assumption that all folks will be “reasonable”.

Bottom line: what man can do, man will do.

[discostu]

Except of course the track record out there is that this slippery slope everybody is freaking out over doesn’t exist. Lots of places have made gay marriage legal, and incest marriages and polygamy remain illegal.

[MeganC]

I guess the message here for poly families is to start paying tribute to the ruling class in DC. In the meantime the only reason liberals hate poly families is because they tend to be traditional, religious, and patriarchal and the libs just HATE those things.

The last thing they want are men acting like men and providing for their families both materially and spiritually as the head of the house.

[KC_Lion]

I guess the message here for poly families is to start paying tribute to the ruling class in DC.

Very Astute Observation Megan, All Tribute Flows to Rome.

Pay the elites a tribute and you get your political issues pushed.

That is NOT how our country was suppose to be!

they tend to be traditional, religious, and patriarchal and the libs just HATE those things.

Don't forget pro-life and pro more children!

The last thing they want are men acting like men and providing for their families both materially and spiritually as the head of the house.

Of Course! That is governments job, not yours.

[Elsie]

In the meantime the only reason liberals hate poly families is because they tend to be traditional, religious, and patriarchal and the libs just HATE those things.

What's Salt Lake City's excuse???

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Media Letter   

26 June 2008 — Salt Lake City  (http://newsroom.lds.org/additional-resource/media-letter)

*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.

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Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two – or even worse, that they are one and the same.

Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Mormon,” “Book of Mormon” and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.

We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:

1. As reflected in the AP Style Guide, we ask that you and your organization refrain from referring to members of that polygamous sect as “fundamentalist Mormons” or “fundamentalist” members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
2. We ask that, when reporting about this Texas-based polygamous sect or any other polygamous group, you avoid either explicitly or implicitly any inference that these groups are affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
3. On those occasions when it may be necessary in your reporting to refer to the historical practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that you make very clear that the Church does not condone the practice of polygamy and that it has been forbidden in the Church for over one hundred years. Moreover, we absolutely condemn arranged or forced “marriages” of underage girls to anyone under any circumstances.

Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.

We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.

Sincerely,

Lance B. Wickman

General Counsel

[Elsie]

Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion.

Sorry guys; but they did NOT 'reject'; as this PR release claims: they FOLLOWED them!

They HEEDED the fearful words of Brigham Young and FOLLOWED what their GOD told them to do here:

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

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58 Now, as touching the law of the ^apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was ^aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that ^bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ^ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit ^dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse ^aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ^aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to ^amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be ^bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take ^aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

[Elsie]

...FOLLOWED what their GOD told them to do ...

If any MORMONs reading this can show any LDS SCRIPTURE where your GOD told you to STOP; I'm sure the WORLD would just LOVE to see it!

[Elsie]

They HEEDED the fearful words of Brigham Young....

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[MeganC]

Arguably, the FLDS are the actual Mormons who did not sell out their principles (no pun intended) in order to gain legitimacy with the Federal Government. The LDS lost so much in cutting deals with a hostile Federal Government. They lost touch with one of their core principles and they got to see Deseret chopped down in size and then, to add insult to injury, it was renamed ‘Utah’ instead of Deseret as it should have been.

Like my grandmother always said: “If you make a deal with the Devil then there’s Hell to pay.”

I’d argue that the LDS absent plural marriage is as Mormon as the Episcopalian Church is Catholic. Close, but no cigar.

[Elsie]

You’ve seen it correctly...

[Elsie]

... it was renamed ‘Utah’ instead of Deseret ....

Because the Utes and the Pia-utes lived there.

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I assume that there were too many different tribes living in the area sandwiched between Illinois and Ohio, so they just called it INDIANa.

[MeganC]

A Supreme Court ruling trumps an Enabling Act every time.

[EternalVigilance]

The laws of nature and nature’s God trump the “Supreme” Court. Every time.

[MeganC]

“The laws of nature and nature’s God trump the “Supreme” Court. Every time.”

Then I guess we should get with the program and accept poly since it’s so common in so much of the world.