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FBI Agents Interviewed Chicago Mobster Jimmy Allegretti A Week After Kennedy Assassination
Friends of Ours ^ | 04/01/13 | Friends of Ours

Posted on 04/01/2013 8:36:16 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

G-men interviewed Chicago mobster Jimmy "the Monk" Allegretti only a week after the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy in order to determine whether he had any connections to Jack Ruby who on November 24 had killed supposed assassin Lee Harvey Oswald according to the recently released FBI file on Allegretti.

Allegretti was the Rush Street crew boss who ran the vice rackets -- gay bars, strip clubs, whore houses, gambling dens -- from the mid-1940s to the mid-1960s on the Near North Side for Chicago Outfit underboss Ross Prio, and in the FBI interview he denied knowing Ruby although with typical wise guy attitude "indicated that he was not sure whether he would be willing to discuss him if he would have any information concerning this man."

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According to this same report the FBI also suspected gay bar operator Nate Zuckerman as an Allegretti associate, and interviewed either him or an employee – the name is redacted – at the Front Page Lounge at Rush and Grand Streets who similarly disclaimed knowing Ruby.

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The FBI interview with Allegretti confirms that it was interested in a possible mob connection to the Kennedy assassination from the very beginning.

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TOPICS: Government; History
KEYWORDS: allegrettifbi; chicago; conspiracytheory; dallas; dealeyplaza; illinois; jfk; jfkassassination; johnfkennedy; kennedy; kennedyassassination; mafia; texas

1 posted on 04/01/2013 8:36:16 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Elvis did it.


2 posted on 04/01/2013 8:39:26 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AtlasStalled; Revolting cat!
Allegretti was the Rush Street crew boss who ran the vice rackets -- gay bars, strip clubs, whore houses, gambling dens

According to PFLAG and former governor Eliot Spitzer, Allegretti sounds like a civil rights pioneer that all screwlchilrun should learn about and seek to emulate.

3 posted on 04/01/2013 8:39:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: driftdiver

It was the limo driver.


4 posted on 04/01/2013 8:42:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: AtlasStalled

Aren’t a lot of the assassination files due to be unsealed at the 50 year mark? There should be tons of interesting stuff in those files.


5 posted on 04/01/2013 8:44:51 AM PDT by cbvanb
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To: AtlasStalled

Hubert Humphry was a good friend of Jack Ruby’s brother according to a Minneapolis police detective. If I recall, the brother was a union official and possibly a thug. But then I am being redundant.


6 posted on 04/01/2013 8:46:09 AM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: a fool in paradise

I know you’re kidding but the Secret Service doesn’t have a sense of humor about these things even though it comes through at an oblique angle. You might want to ask to have it removed.
Although, out of the three you mentioned, the one with the most integrity is the Mafioso.

Am I the only one that thinks maybe PFLAG should consider dropping one letter?


7 posted on 04/01/2013 8:46:25 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: AtlasStalled

The link to Prescott Bush allowed Hoover to Close the Bushes Wall Street Nazi Bank. Nixon, E. Howard Hunt and the CIA worked with them. Ignore proven facts before even considering another canard.


8 posted on 04/01/2013 8:58:28 AM PDT by STD ( Intellectual marxism, a wrecking crew, dismantling civilization)
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To: Lx

My statement regarding the mobster Jimmy Allegretti has NOTHING to do with unsubstantiated allegations of involvement in the JFK assassination.

It has EVERYTHING to do with godless Communist historical revisionists calling the Stonewall riots as “civil rights” movement when it was the police shutting down a mob-run gay bar speakeasy.

Little Red schoolhouses want children to worship homosexuals these days. Elliot Spitzer was a whoremonger. Democrats think that what IS known about this man is admirable today.


9 posted on 04/01/2013 9:04:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: cbvanb

I thought JFK’s White House tapes (HE installed the taping system that eventually brought Nixon down) were supposed to be released at the 50 year mark. Don’t know about assassination files being so embargoed.

And wonder how many 8 minute gaps (or “unplayable” tapes) will be discovered when the public is finally able to shed some light on the Kennedy White House.

LBJ’s tapes revealed scandals like permitting a bank merger in exchange for a signed letter from a someone involved in the Houston Chronicle to only give his administration positive press. Also revealed a humorous cut with him telling a tailor how to cut the crotch in his pants.


10 posted on 04/01/2013 9:08:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

As I said, from an oblique angle, it looks like you are encouraging regicide.

Ask Gonzo how his visit went if he’s still here.

I agree with what you wrote and the homo angle is accurate. At first it was to tolerate it, then accept it, now they want us (normal people) to celebrate it.

Leviticus 20:13 pretty much sums up God’s view.


11 posted on 04/01/2013 9:10:10 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx; a fool in paradise

I see...So while they go into foreign countries on security missions as part of an advanced security team for the leader of the free world, while they party and get drunk and bump bellies with foreign shanks and prostitutes in hotel rooms, but ya better watch what you say on the Internet!!

Oh yeah!


12 posted on 04/01/2013 9:14:12 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lx; Admin Moderator

I have no support for any assassination plots. What is your problem?

Why must you instigate trouble where there is none?

I will now ask the moderator to nuke this conspiracy thread altogether or at a MINIMUM the posts between you and me since to delete the lead comment would only make my deleted comment look like it must’ve been worse.


13 posted on 04/01/2013 9:14:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: dragnet2

Sad to say, you got it right. Remember, we’re the serfs in this ‘post racial’ environment.


14 posted on 04/01/2013 9:15:40 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dragnet2

My comments didn’t reflect Secret Service interactions with prostitutes (in a nation where prostitution is legal). They were barbed at the former Current TV personality.


15 posted on 04/01/2013 9:16:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Leave it up if you’re not worried. I’m telling you that it takes one useless bureaucrat to make your life hell and do you not see people’s words twisted every day?

I know you didn’t mean to suggest assassination but I’m not the one you need to worry about.


16 posted on 04/01/2013 9:20:02 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx; Admin Moderator

HELLO, STOP TALKING TO ME. I ALREADY PINGED THE Admin Moderator TO REMOVE THE COMMENTS. YOURS AND MINE.

QUIT BEING A PERFECT A$$HOLE (as Ray Bradbury called Michael Moore) AND LEAVE ME ALONE ALREADY. Sheesh.

YOU are the one making assassination comments. NOT me. Get that straight.


17 posted on 04/01/2013 9:23:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Prostitution is legal in Columbia? Really?
Then is there a place where we can see where our overlords have gone to on our dime? The only official reason I can see going to Columbia is to stop the coke flow. I see no reason to go to Thailand (other than a vacation) and I’d like to see which politicians vacation at both place on our dollars.


18 posted on 04/01/2013 9:23:55 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

See #17.


19 posted on 04/01/2013 9:24:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Thanks for the compliment, I like it!

I’m not a doctor nor do I play one on TV but might I suggest diazepam?


20 posted on 04/01/2013 9:26:32 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx; Admin Moderator

>>Prostitution is legal in Columbia? Really?

Had nothing to do with anything on this thread, but Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Colombia

Mr. or Ms. Moderator, would you please nuke this thread and consider giving Lx a timeout for troll activity?


21 posted on 04/01/2013 9:29:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Too funny...

This thread is a real knee slapper!


22 posted on 04/01/2013 9:30:25 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I’m not the one with the high blood pressure. Some people don’t understand how a public forum works and as there’s no ignore button, you get to see it all.


23 posted on 04/01/2013 9:34:51 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

What a funny exchange...I almost fell out of my chair laughing.


24 posted on 04/01/2013 9:40:52 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cbvanb
"Aren’t a lot of the assassination files due to be unsealed
at the 50 year mark? There should be tons of interesting
stuff in those files."
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I'm a bit of a JFK assassination buff, but I'm not aware of
such a release. Though there is certainly a boatload of
papers/files that have yet to be made public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992#Status

(Other JFK-assn buffs might have better info though.)
25 posted on 04/01/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: a fool in paradise; Lx
“Mr. or Ms. Moderator, would you please nuke this thread and consider giving Lx a timeout for troll activity?”

Yes we will, thanks for the heads up.

We also will close Free Republic down for two days to give time for all concerned to reassess their reasons for posting on FR.

We only do this in April 1st of each year.

26 posted on 04/01/2013 9:43:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: LouieFisk

Really, so what’s your take? Is this a who dunnit or was it the patsy alone or?


27 posted on 04/01/2013 9:44:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Admin Moderator

Ohh...This is just too great....

I give this thread a 10 on the honking hoot scale!


28 posted on 04/01/2013 9:45:24 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lx; a fool in paradise
As I said, from an oblique angle, it looks like you are encouraging regicide.

MIRRIAM-WEBSTER sez:

Definition of REGICIDE

1: a person who kills a king
2: the killing of a king

I happen to agree with fool - the King must die!


29 posted on 04/01/2013 9:53:10 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: dragnet2; All
What, it is not pulled?

Happy April 1st to you.

30 posted on 04/01/2013 9:54:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: a fool in paradise

31 posted on 04/01/2013 9:56:48 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: dragnet2
"Really, so what’s your take? Is this a who dunnit or was it
the patsy alone or?"

It's pretty easy to go off into wild "Col. Mustard with a wrench" who-dunnit speculations and if I had THE ANSWER I'd wite a book, heh. But my take is that there was a conspiracy involved - keeping in mind a conspiracy only requires two people conspiring to commit some act. I believe LHO was involved - but in which way and who with, I don't know. I believe it's certainly possible he could have been set up as a fall guy. But by whom, I'm not clear (my guess would be by the intelligence community),
32 posted on 04/01/2013 9:57:03 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: AtlasStalled

This is a decent April Fools article. I’ve seen a few weak attempts, then there is my strong success. And this, this one was strong.


33 posted on 04/01/2013 10:00:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Oswald was a commie, leftist, Castro loving murderous lil tasbard. Dont forget he shot police office Tippett in Dallas just after his dirty deed. Jack Ruby shot him straight to hell in the express lane but chances are Ruby is there too.


34 posted on 04/01/2013 10:02:06 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: AtlasStalled

The son of a famous spy told me it was the Mafia. Reason? They can only thrive in a free society. Kennedy was getting too close to the communists, which would have ended the Mafia.


35 posted on 04/01/2013 10:07:50 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: LouieFisk

BTW, I basically concur...There was much more to this. And when they allowed the assassin to be assassinated...Well


36 posted on 04/01/2013 10:08:35 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Admin Moderator

Watch it or I’ll complain to the, oh wait, never mind.


37 posted on 04/01/2013 10:14:59 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I got regicide from I think a Simpsons episode. They were dialing 9/11 and the voice prompt said, press #1 for regicide.


38 posted on 04/01/2013 10:17:12 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dragnet2

“BTW, I basically concur...There was much more to this. And when they allowed the assassin to be assassinated...Well”


I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the series “The Men Who Killed Kennedy” on the History Channel - some of it is somewhat worthless in my view (e.g. “LHO’s girlfriend”), but there’s also a lot of solid stuff to chew on. It’s on YouTube - this episode is “The Patsy”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOwhSwvT5kw

Interesting tidbits and speculation, if nothing else.


39 posted on 04/01/2013 10:19:15 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: firebrand

“The son of a famous spy told me it was the Mafia. Reason? They can only thrive in a free society. Kennedy was getting too close to the communists, which would have ended the Mafia.”

Kind of a circuitous route IMO; Bobby Kennedy was going after the Mob, he was a direct thorn in their side.


40 posted on 04/01/2013 10:22:12 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: tflabo

They always say LHO was a lousy shot conveniently leaving out the part about him being a Marine who worse shooter could probably best the ‘experts’ that couldn’t recreate the shot. Yet the shot was tested with people who really wanted to see if it was possible and then even used the Manlicher-Carcano and I don’t remember the results but they easily made the shots in the same amount of time. Unless you’ve done it, you might think it takes a lot of time to exercise the bolt action but it doesn’t.

The also show the current view from the 6th floor of TSBD and showing a tree obscuring the view neglecting to mention that trees probably do a lot of growing in 50 years.

Hell, we’ve got people who think the planes on 9/11 are holograms or the videos were faked. Conspiracies seem to attract a lot of whackos but they’re pretty funny. Even if the files show conclusively that LHO made the shot, people will still write books debunking it.


41 posted on 04/01/2013 10:28:39 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: LouieFisk; cbvanb

American Spectator had a book review a couple of months ago for this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Castros-Secrets-Cubas-Intelligence-Machine/dp/0230621236

It sounds like the Cubans had a lot to do with the assassination, & people from their intelligence agency are talking.


42 posted on 04/01/2013 10:32:47 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Lx

“They always say LHO was a lousy shot conveniently leaving out the part about him being a Marine who worse shooter could probably best the ‘experts’ that couldn’t recreate the shot.” =

In his unit he did have a reputation for getting off a lot of “Maggie’s drawers” shots (a complete miss of the target).

What’s interesting in relation to the question is that Oswald was alleged to have attempted to kill Edwin Walker using the same weapon when Walker was sitting stationary in a chair at his (Walker’s) home from approx 100 ft away. The bullet missed, hitting a window frame instead. Kennedy was in a moving vehicle almost 3 times that distance.


43 posted on 04/01/2013 10:44:09 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk
What’s interesting in relation to the question is that Oswald was alleged to have attempted to kill Edwin Walker using the same weapon when Walker was sitting stationary in a chair at his (Walker’s) home from approx 100 ft away. The bullet missed, hitting a window frame instead. Kennedy was in a moving vehicle almost 3 times that distance.

OK, is this guy still alive and why? If LHO wanted him dead, he probably could have killed him. I mean, what happened? This guys kicking back at his house and a bullet whizzes by. I've heard of bad neighborhoods but this might make me rather alarmed. So LHO missed and that was then end of the attempt to kill the guy, were they friends afterwards?

So, I find this:

Edwin Walker JFK

Which has this:

"On April 10, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate General Edwin Walker, a right- wing leader in Dallas with a high-powered rifle, after aborting a previous attempt on April 5th. The evidence of this assassination attempt includes the testimony of his wife, Marina Oswald, a note in his handwriting Russian describing what Marina should do, after the Walker shooting, if he were arrested, killed or had to go into hiding, photographs of Walker's house from the sniper's position taken by Oswald's camera and pasted into Oswald's scrapbook, and a Neutron Activation test that showed that the metallic elements found in the bullet that was recovered in Walker's home matched the ammunition used in Oswald's rifle in the assassination of Kennedy (This technology for this test, done in 1977, did not exist in 1963). Oswald had told a number of people he knew that someone should shoot Walker a month prior to the shooting, and, on April 5th, when he made his first attempt, he had Marina take a photograph of him dressed in black, armed to kill with a rifle and telescopic sight, and holding in his hand the radical newspaper, The Militant. Those who reportedly knew that he was a self-styled assassin include:

OK, so which was it? This excerpt says that they analyzed the ammo used against Walker and it matched the ammo used to murder JFK.

So, what is it?

1) LHO tried to kill Walker failed, gave up because he's an incompetent shot.

2) LHO then murders JFK using the same ammo (and apparently a lot of practice) that was found in Walker's window frame?

There seems to be a problem here.

I mean besides the fact that I'm being dragged down the conspiracy theory hole.

44 posted on 04/01/2013 11:06:40 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

“There seems to be a problem here.
I mean besides the fact that I’m being dragged down the conspiracy theory hole.” -

LOL, yeah, it can be like quicksand. Best anybody can do is to judge for themselves what rings true and what doesn’t, dump the chaff and ponder the wheat from all the hard info & the speculations.

One more thing on the weapon in question in the JFK murder. LEO officially identified the rifle found at the Texas Book Bldg as a 7.65 Mauser. It was only later that it was said to be instead a 6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY


45 posted on 04/01/2013 11:21:02 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk
One more thing on the weapon in question in the JFK murder. LEO officially identified the rifle found at the Texas Book Bldg as a 7.65 Mauser. It was only later that it was said to be instead a 6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38.

That I have heard of. Which brings us to three conflicting stories much like 9/11.

1) The perps were evil geniuses.

2) The perps were idiots.

3) No, they were both and I'll throw in a gratuitous mention of Nixon being in Dallas that day and Bush #1 not recalling where he was that day.

46 posted on 04/01/2013 11:29:42 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

Better account of the rifle that was found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4XNHtUDEDAI#t=131s

related images:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2onDe7GIG1I/TvRMAno75eI/AAAAAAAAA2M/XassH9JjYoU/s1600/boone+mauser.jpg

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff394/dhjosephs/Weitzmanaffidavit765Mauser.jpg

“That I have heard of. Which brings us to three conflicting stories much like 9/11.”

Yeah, when people start off into weird scenarios rather than just looking at the misc. concrete facts, then they have some axe to grind. Not very helpful at all because you have to separate what’s of any value, if anything, and what is total junk. I don’t hold to conspiracies theories in general and the “TRUTH”-types can be a royal PITA for honest people who prefer to consider things seriously.


47 posted on 04/01/2013 11:40:24 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk

It wasn’t obvious to most people at that time, but Jack was getting pulled into the communist mindset.


48 posted on 04/02/2013 5:30:18 AM PDT by firebrand
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