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We Don't Need Obama's Birth Certificate (Mystery Solved?)
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Posted on 04/07/2013 7:40:14 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

We can drop this debate over his birth certificate because we have something even more valuable. We have his mother’s passport files.

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When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports.

Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together, as well as a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. State-issued IDs came much later.

If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file.

Surprise. There are no photos of little Barack Obama in the file. And of course, there is no birth certificate from any hospital in Hawaii.

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The obvious question is, who took him through US Customs and Immigration and helped him board the plane in Hawaii? And who brought him back?

The only mention of little Barack Obama is when his mother tried to renew her passport at the US Consulate in Jakarta a few years later. We see evidence of that in the file.

She tried to trick the passport office. She went to the US Consulate in Jakarta and wrote “Barack Obama” in the section where you add your child. She thought, like we did, that they were going to add him to her passport, no questions asked.

They probably laughed and asked her how her son got to Jakarta without a US Passport.

When she failed to go get this Hawaiian birth certificate and retake her photo, the Passport Office crossed out his name.

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Here are all of the Freedom Of Information Requests of Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro's passport records. There are no joint pictures of Barack Jr. attached to her passport.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35163631/Strunk-v-Dept-of-State-FOIA-Release-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Obama-Soetoro-Passport-Application-File-7-29-10

1 posted on 04/07/2013 7:40:15 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Here is a working link to her records:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35163631/Strunk-v-Dept-of-State-FOIA-Release-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Obama-Soetoro-Passport-Application-File-7-29-10


2 posted on 04/07/2013 7:41:44 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

wtf-ingf??????????????????


3 posted on 04/07/2013 7:44:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

In the words of Hillary “What difference does it make”


4 posted on 04/07/2013 7:46:40 AM PDT by woodenickel
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen. He could have been born on Mars...


5 posted on 04/07/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Calling Sven Magnussen, please pick up the white courtesy phone.


6 posted on 04/07/2013 7:51:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau

“Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen.”

Stop...Yes made him a citizen but not a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen.


7 posted on 04/07/2013 7:52:01 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Sacajaweau
So what ? his daddy was not.
Citizenship, or natural born staus can only be confered upon him only if his mother meet the criteria.

8 posted on 04/07/2013 7:55:07 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together

Not always. My eldest son was issued a US Passport when he was barely 1 month old. His photo is of him only. His mother was not a US citizen yet so had a Thai passport with a US Visa attachment. There is a notation on his passport photo that it was signed by his mother.

10 posted on 04/07/2013 7:57:51 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I don’t know about babies but as a kid I had my own passport and was never on my parents’.


11 posted on 04/07/2013 8:00:13 AM PDT by bgill
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To: John Valentine
I referred to them as “low information freepers” once and my post got yanked. Maybe “deliberately ignorant” would be better?
12 posted on 04/07/2013 8:01:27 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: John Valentine
Stunned??....He's President isn't he?

While I may not agree with the interpretation of "Natural Born"...it's a settled matter, he's President and the bell can't be unrung.

13 posted on 04/07/2013 8:01:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bgill

see #10


14 posted on 04/07/2013 8:02:10 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
If there was a logical explanation, Obama should look forward to clearing his name. Or maybe we’ll get lucky, and he’ll just get on a helicopter and leave.

That would be worthy of a new National Holiday!

15 posted on 04/07/2013 8:04:21 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Sacajaweau
Usurping the presidency is okay with you?
16 posted on 04/07/2013 8:04:24 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports.

This statement is false. What is true is that children COULD be included on a parent's passport. But, more often an infant or child was issued a passport in his own name. I still have copies of the passports issued to my children in the same era (mid sixties) with their little baby faces plainly visible on the inner page.

So, rather than focus on Stanley Ann's passport records, what is really needed are Barack Hussein Barry Soetoro Obama's passport records.

17 posted on 04/07/2013 8:04:29 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Sacajaweau

Sorry. That doesn’t make Barry a “Natural Born Citizen”. Try something else.


18 posted on 04/07/2013 8:04:57 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not exactly. If momma was a US Citizen, and the father a foreigner, and there is no clear birth certificate from the US, there rightly should have been a document called “Report of US Citizen born Abroad”....a state department document.

If she tried to bring him back to the US on her passport and couldn’t show them a US BC, then she’d have had to produce the document I mentioned. She did not.

I know this because I went through this with my son.


19 posted on 04/07/2013 8:05:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: John Valentine
It leaves me simply stuned.

HAHAHA!!! Yep, me, too!

What's even worse is the two new "shining stars" of the Republican Party (remains to be seen if they will actually remain conservative) are also NOT natural born citizens. We'll be hearing ignorant takes on NBC for a long time to come.

20 posted on 04/07/2013 8:07:44 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Obamatollah is fraudulent as they come.

Faker than a wooden eye.

In the mounds of his forged documents, and the invisible pile of his missing documents, if we cannot demonstrate he’s a fraud, then why not just invite Kim Jong-il JR to become our president.


21 posted on 04/07/2013 8:08:19 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Sacajaweau
While I may not agree with the interpretation of "Natural Born"...it's a settled matter, he's President and the bell can't be unrung.

It's most definitely NOT a "settled matter" and will continue to be a problem until it becomes settled. Obama was sworn in as President, twice, and yes, most likely all his acts as President will be sustained even if he was and remains ineligible for the office. But that too, it not really settled.

Meanwhile, the word is "stuned" not "stunned". Look it up.

22 posted on 04/07/2013 8:08:37 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Maybe the voters and their electors should have been exposed to this argument before they decided that Obama meets the qualifications to be president.

Obviously, much too little, much too late.

23 posted on 04/07/2013 8:09:42 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: John Valentine

Maybe we should ask that guy who accessed Omoslem’s passport records, then parked his car to meet someone about the subject, and got shot to death thru the driver’s side window.

If he’s not talking, maybe the 3 murdered gay choir members from Trinity Church can tell us something new about their fellow devout Christian, Barry Soetoro.


24 posted on 04/07/2013 8:13:26 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen. He could have been born on Mars...

NOT TRUE!! According to the law at the stated time of Zer0's birth, she was not old enough to pass on citizenship if he were born outside the country. (Natural born citizenship is a whole other matter.) This was all gone over here at FR back in '08.

25 posted on 04/07/2013 8:16:26 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: John Valentine

“stuned” is an FR colloquialism (sp) ....


26 posted on 04/07/2013 8:17:58 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Then the question becomes this:

How did he travel TO Indonesia in the first place?

Is that why the passport info for years prior to 1965ish are MISSING??!!??


27 posted on 04/07/2013 8:19:43 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: illiac

You don’t need to tell me...


28 posted on 04/07/2013 8:21:38 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

But wouldn’t there need to be some proof the kid was a us citizen, proof such as an official birth cert?

Not to mention that the parents were really his/her parents.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 8:21:45 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: woodenickel

This is the biggest conjob in the history of our country. Maybe, we can prevent something like Obama from happening again.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 8:23:27 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together

Never heard of such a thing. Did a quick Google and could find no reference to this either (not saying it doesn't exist). Do you have a link to back-up this regulation?

31 posted on 04/07/2013 8:23:39 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Sacajaweau
Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen. He could have been born on Mars...

Suggest you do some reading up on the difference between "U.S. citizen" vs. "natural-born U.S. citizen" (the latter being specified by the U.S. Constitution as a criterion for eligibility for the Presidency).

Hint: They aren't interchangeable.

Regards,

32 posted on 04/07/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Sacajaweau
The Constitution require a natural born citizen as a primary requirement to hold the presidency. If he is born outside of the US he is not natural born. If one of his parents is a non-citizen at the time of his birth he is not natural born.

Do either of these disqualifiers apply to Barak?

33 posted on 04/07/2013 8:24:45 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: WildHighlander57

“Is that why the passport info for years prior to 1965ish are MISSING??!!??”


For the answer to that, check out some of the links here

http://www.google.com/search?q=brennan+obama+passport+breach&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ACEW_enUS385US385


34 posted on 04/07/2013 8:26:52 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: WildHighlander57
But wouldn’t there need to be some proof the kid was a us citizen, proof such as an official birth cert? Not to mention that the parents were really his/her parents.

Absolutely. We'd all like to see these passport records, but it seems that to try to do so may result in untimely death.

35 posted on 04/07/2013 8:29:21 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Sacajaweau
Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen. He could have been born on Mars...

Wrong, this has been pointed out many times before on FR but still you don't get it. In 1961 the laws of the USA were such that if a child only had one citizen parent that parent had to meet certain standards(time length and age wise)in order for their child to be a US citizen if said child was born out of the country. Stanly didn't meet these requirements. Therefore, unless Bozo was born in the USA proper he is not a US citizen therefore he is not holding the office of President legally.

36 posted on 04/07/2013 8:32:04 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
I hate to agree with Hillary's ...”What difference does it make?” No evidence of Obama’s ineligibility to be POTUS, no matter how concrete, would at this point make any difference. No one is going to embroil the country in the Constitutional crisis that would be caused by ruling Obama ineligible to have been POTUS. I an convinced that many in Washington know with varying degrees of certainty that Obama’s past would have either made him ineligible to be POTUS or at least so suspect as to be untrustworthy in the office. They are just waiting for his term in office to be up and move on. One bright side is that upcoming conservatives like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio could now be considered for the Presidency. While I know the media will have a double standard they would have a problem questioning Cruz or Rubios’ eligibility without raising embarrassing questions about Obama.
37 posted on 04/07/2013 8:32:21 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: ASA Vet
I referred to them as “low information freepers” once and my post got yanked. Maybe “deliberately ignorant” would be better?

Exactly the reason I stopped posting on these threads a few years ago. There was such a plethora of research done back '08 that it became unbelievably tiresome to bring late comers or those that missed threads/replies up to date. (Unfortunately, I was feeling a little antsy today and chimed in.)

38 posted on 04/07/2013 8:36:06 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Sacajaweau

Even so, he had to give up his citizenry to attend an Indonesian school. The fact that he gave it up, even as a child, disqualifies him from running for President.


39 posted on 04/07/2013 8:36:51 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: woodenickel

Roger that. Nothing to see here. Move along.

But, one thing that stands out is the “race” section of the “presented” birth cert. In 1961 the only thing that would have been entered in that slot would have been “Negro”. Not “african”, not “african-american”, not “black”, not “colored”, not “madingo”. You may have walked in to certain locations where they had seperate areas for “colored”, and seperate drinking fountains for “colored”. But on those docs there was only “Negro” as an option.


40 posted on 04/07/2013 8:37:22 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: The Great RJ
they would have a problem questioning Cruz or Rubios’ eligibility without raising embarrassing questions about Obama

Hah! Do you think the left cares? They won and got Obozo jammed through. Most of them know or knew he was ineligible and did not care, but would that stop them from trashing Cruz and Rubio? NO NO NO The double standard with those leftist is obvious, but they just don't care.

41 posted on 04/07/2013 8:39:51 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not according immigration laws at the time.


42 posted on 04/07/2013 8:42:31 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: John Valentine
So, rather than focus on Stanley Ann's passport records, what is really needed are Barack Hussein Barry Soetoro Obama's passport records.

Didn't someone doing some unauthorized snooping in his passport records meet an untimely end?

43 posted on 04/07/2013 8:43:24 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sacajaweau

Not according immigration laws at the time.


44 posted on 04/07/2013 8:44:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: alexander_busek
Suggest you do some reading up on the difference between "U.S. citizen" vs. "natural-born U.S. citizen" (the latter being specified by the U.S. Constitution as a criterion for eligibility for the Presidency).

Of course, you can define "natural born citizen" any way you want in order for you to consider a candidate's qualifications, but others are entitled to disagree with your formulation and to utilize their own. We all have a duty to not vote for a candidate we believe to lack constitutional qualifications.

45 posted on 04/07/2013 8:45:35 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Stop...Momma was a citizen of the USA. That made him a citizen. He could have been born on Mars...”

How serious a crime is a forged Hawaii certificate?


46 posted on 04/07/2013 8:48:41 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: WildHighlander57

“Is that why the passport info for years prior to 1965ish are MISSING??!!??”

Well if you look on page 1 of the link to her passport FOIA requests you will see that her 1968 passport renewal states her passport was issued in 1965 in the top left. It doesn’t say if the 1965 passport was a renewal. It just say’s ‘Date Issued July 18, 1965. Jerpme Corsi never got answers if there was a prior passport to 1965.


47 posted on 04/07/2013 9:00:25 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Sorry. I meant to say Jerome Corsi.


48 posted on 04/07/2013 9:01:30 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Roccus
NOT TRUE!! According to the law at the stated time of Zer0's birth, she was not old enough to pass on citizenship if he were born outside the country. (Natural born citizenship is a whole other matter.) This was all gone over here at FR back in '08.

strongly concur

49 posted on 04/07/2013 9:01:52 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Lieutenant Quarles Harris, Jr., 24

“Lieutenant” was the young man's name, not an indication of rank. However, many in the MSM and others have erroneously referred to him as Lt. Quareles Harris or Lt. Harris.

50 posted on 04/07/2013 9:03:29 AM PDT by Roccus
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