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Age of sexual consent in Mexico is 12!
Examiner ^ | April 4, 2013 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 04/09/2013 4:29:41 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

In recent months, there seems to have been an explosion of reported child sexual assaults committed by Mexican nationals, in this country illegally.

Examiner

The most troubling and telling reason behind the growing epidemic of child molestation at the hands of illegal aliens, may lie in the fact the age of sexual consent throughout the majority of Mexico is 12 years of age.

Article 261 of Mexico's Federal Criminal Code states: ”Whoever, without the purpose of reaching copulation, performs a sexual act on a person under 12 or on a person that has no capacity of understanding the meaning of the act or that for any reason cannot resist, or demands that the act is performed, will be punished with a term of 2 to 5 years in prison.”

In addition to Mexico City, the age of consent is 12 in the following Mexican state

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; childmolesters; diversity; immigration; mexico; moralabsolutes; pedophiles; perversity
In addition to Mexico City, the age of consent is 12 in the following Mexican states:

-Aquascalientes

-Baja California Sur

-Campeche

-Chiapas

-Coahuila

-Guanajuato

-Guerrero

-Hidalgo

-Jalisco

-Michoacan

-Morelos

-Oaxaca

-Puebla

-Queretaro

-Qunitana Roo

-San Louis Potosi

-Sinaloa

-Sonora

-Tabasco

-Tamaulipas

1 posted on 04/09/2013 4:29:41 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

SICK.


2 posted on 04/09/2013 4:34:02 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: moonshinner_09

Ain’t multiculturalism grand? (Do I really need the /s?)


3 posted on 04/09/2013 4:34:43 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: moonshinner_09

This is part of the homosexual agenda.

In every nation that a accepts gay marriage, the next to fall is age of consent.

In Europe, you will see age of consent at 13 to 15. This as pushed by the homosexual liberals.

The same is happening here. Look at the AG race in Virginia for proof.


4 posted on 04/09/2013 4:39:33 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
SICK.

Not really; the age of [about] 12 has been, in many places and times, the time where one participates in a "coming of age" ritual (Bar- and Bat-mitzvah for modern-day [religious] counterparts) -- such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite "line" for being an adult.

5 posted on 04/09/2013 4:49:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I think these pervs want the age of consent down to the single digits.
6 posted on 04/09/2013 4:49:46 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: OneWingedShark
Yeah. It USED TO BE such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite "line" for being an adult but now it is furshit.
7 posted on 04/09/2013 4:53:19 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Farmer Dean
I think these pervs want the age of consent down to the single digits.

Give it time. Incrementalism is a perfected art by the left!

8 posted on 04/09/2013 4:54:00 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Not really; the age of [about] 12 has been, in many places and times, the time where one participates in a "coming of age" ritual (Bar- and Bat-mitzvah for modern-day [religious] counterparts) -- such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite "line" for being an adult.

********************************

Are you Jewish?

9 posted on 04/09/2013 4:54:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: moonshinner_09

A few years back, due to the large number of statutory rape cases involving Latinos, the Virginia Department of Health circulated a comic book in Spanish alerting Virginia’s Latino community to stop all the young teen banging.

Multiculturalism, gotta love it!\

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/13/comic_book_warns_about_statutory_rape/


10 posted on 04/09/2013 4:56:40 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: bigheadfred
Yeah. It USED TO BE such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite "line" for being an adult but now it is furshit.

If our society had one then we wouldn't have the "when am I a man" confusion that we do: is it 16 [when you learn to drive], 18 [when you reach the legal age of majority], 21 [when you can drink], 26 [when your car insurance goes down], 40 [when you lose your virginity], or some arbitrary event like moving out?

11 posted on 04/09/2013 4:57:10 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: trisham
Are you Jewish?

That depends on who you ask and how far back you're willing to go. IIUC my mother's mother's father was [part] German Jew.
The particulars matter little to me; my salvation is not based on the circumstance of my birth, but on the God that bore my sin.

12 posted on 04/09/2013 5:01:24 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

When were you told you were an adult?


13 posted on 04/09/2013 5:01:49 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: OneWingedShark
Well, thanks for being so clear.

Please allow me to provide you with some facts:
From Wikipedia:
Reaching the age of bar mitzvah signifies becoming a full-fledged member of the Jewish community with the responsibilities that come with it. These include moral responsibility for own actions, eligibility to be called to read from the Torah and lead or participate in a Minyan, may possess personal property, may be legally married according to Jewish law, must follow the 613 laws of the Torah and keep the Halakha, may testify as a witness in a Beth Din (Rabbinical court) case.
Many congregations require pre-bar mitzvah children to attend a minimum number of Shabbat prayer services at the synagogue, study at a Hebrew School, take on a charity or community service project, and maintain membership in good standing with the synagogue. In addition to study and preparation offered through the synagogue and Hebrew schools, bar mitzvah tutors may be hired to prepare the youngster through the study of Hebrew, Torah cantillation and basic Jewish concepts. [edit]
14 posted on 04/09/2013 5:08:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OneWingedShark
If our society had one then we wouldn't have the "when am I a man" confusion that we do: is it 16 [when you learn to drive], 18 [when you reach the legal age of majority], 21 [when you can drink], 26 [when your car insurance goes down], 40 [when you lose your virginity], or some arbitrary event like moving out

We have degrees of adulthood in this country.

15 posted on 04/09/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: bigheadfred
When were you told you were an adult?

I wasn't, and that's my point -- there's so many arbitrary 'milestones' that it dilutes any particular one from being meaningful. Heck, under insurance law to be a "qualifying child" you can be up to 26.

This sort of confusion on society's part will not come to a good end, if left unchecked... and, indeed, may be used to further restrict our freedoms by our tyrannical government: imagine what would happen if they "simplified the law" such that the definition of child was "up to 26" and then statutory rape as "sexual intercourse with a child".

You would then have yourself the perfect storm to simply declare people felons and strip them of rights... especially if it were applied retroactively, but it wouldn't need retroactivity to be dangerous: there's no exception in the above definition for married couples. (And of course any such laws would be, as they are today, selectively applied and enforced.)

But, to bring things back to the point, the age of 12 [or 13-15] is not a bad age at all for society to say "now you are ethically and morally responsible, [we expect you to] behave like an adult."

16 posted on 04/09/2013 5:11:24 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed”, eh?


17 posted on 04/09/2013 5:13:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Disambiguator
We have degrees of adulthood in this country.

LOL -- Thanks for the laugh. // Counterpoint.

18 posted on 04/09/2013 5:14:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dfwgator
“Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed”, eh?

Given that "Reaching the age of bar mitzvah signifies becoming a full-fledged member of the Jewish community with the responsibilities that come with it" [see post 14] must needs include the imperative to defend the community [conscription, militia services] and include "may be legally married according to Jewish law" then I'd have to agree.

19 posted on 04/09/2013 5:18:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

In the purists sense, females were meant to have babies the moment they start ovulating, regardless of age. But who the hell wants a bunch of 12 year old single mothers running around? Meanwhile, Juan has moved on to the elementary school down the street, sewing his ‘Democrat voter’ seed as he goes!


20 posted on 04/09/2013 5:21:56 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: moonshinner_09

The land of human sacrifice, taking the souls of little girls.


21 posted on 04/09/2013 5:45:09 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: moonshinner_09
We're so perfect, everyone including the Martians oughta accept our behavioral standards and mores!

(No, I'm not defending Mexican policies!)

22 posted on 04/09/2013 5:48:26 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: OneWingedShark
I wasn't, and that's my point

ALL RIGHT! What you are telling me is the people who raised you completely failed and you are not only a product of this failing society, but a willing contributing participant.

23 posted on 04/09/2013 5:55:47 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

It probably doesn’t matter, because it’s essentially a death penalty offense, between the girls brothers, father, or, for that matter, the GUY’s father.


24 posted on 04/09/2013 6:08:46 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Farmer Dean

I really want children to maintain their innocence for as long as possible, but it is true, that the age of menarche has dropped a LOT in the last 200 years and yet the age of marriage has tended upwards. Obviously, this is a problem.

It is interesting that PHYSICAL maturity seems to have also gone in the other direction from MENTAL maturity. A lot of “children” wound up being the “man or woman of the house” at 16 200 years ago when a parent died. Today...Bad Idea.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 6:14:40 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: moonshinner_09

The age of consent is 13 in New Jersey if the age difference is 4 years or less.


26 posted on 04/09/2013 6:16:52 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: OneWingedShark

Girls could marry at 12 in ancient Rome.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 6:23:14 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: moonshinner_09
The current age of consent in the US is actually something that was adopted only in the last century. From Wikipedia:

While the age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S. states, the age of consent has widely varied across the country in the past. In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia.[42]

Traditionally, including in the Bible, it's generally been defined as starting with the onset of puberty - within the confines of marriage, of course, with both fornication and adultery punishable by death.

28 posted on 04/09/2013 6:46:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Girls could marry at 12 in ancient Rome.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that their fathers could arrange a marriage for them at the age of 12?

29 posted on 04/09/2013 7:12:18 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
In the purists sense, females were meant to have babies the moment they start ovulating, regardless of age. But who the hell wants a bunch of 12 year old single mothers running around?

These are two separate issues: there is no reason that a 12 year old mother should be single. (And if we're talking about the ancient world it would have been quite possible for her to have been a widow, in which case her family would likely be searching extra-hard for a husband.) -- Just because different customs and cultures exist(ed) doesn't mean that human nature has changed with the custom/culture-changes, in fact I would argue that the nature of humanity is better revealed when starkly different cultural norms are compared. Mankind is horribly evil, yet despite this we know good -- because even after the fall Man still bears God's own image (which, incidentally, is why murder is universally condemned).

Meanwhile, Juan has moved on to the elementary school down the street, sewing his ‘Democrat voter’ seed as he goes!

Again, this is yet another issue: there is nothing preventing, say, a couple of 13 year old jews from getting married after their Bar-/Bat-Mitzvah -- there needn't be a big age gap, and it needn't be damaging to society for the age of consent/marriage to be rather low.

God commanded mankind to be fruitful and multiply, look around here on FR and you'll here a lot of people talking about 'demographics'... which is obviously profoundly influenced by the birth-rate -- this is, coincidentally, one of feminism's black marks: teaching and encouraging women to put off having children. (As you observed the moment they start ovulating is the moment they're ready to reproduce; moreover they only have a limited "shelf life" on their eggs [menopause] and the "working woman's" age which would be closer to 35 or 40 leaves only a decade [and a half] until the clock runs out.)

30 posted on 04/09/2013 7:23:05 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Not really; the age of [about] 12 has been, in many places and times, the time where one participates in a "coming of age" ritual (Bar- and Bat-mitzvah for modern-day [religious] counterparts) -- such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite "line" for being an adult.

Back when this was common, the 12 year olds would soon be married, in a family, and soon with kids, and the life expectancy was 45-50 at most.

31 posted on 04/09/2013 7:25:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: moonshinner_09

This needs to be a question asked of all democratic candidates, what should be the age of consent, and justify that position.


32 posted on 04/09/2013 7:26:42 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Back when this was common, the 12 year olds would soon be married, in a family, and soon with kids, and the life expectancy was 45-50 at most.

It could be that the pressure of the low life-expectancy encouraged the low age of marriage, but I doubt it was the direct cause.

33 posted on 04/09/2013 7:31:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: LibertarianLiz
According to A History of the Roman People, by Allen M. Ward, Fritz M. Heichelheim, and Cedric A. Yeo,

"A groom who was not independent needed the consent of his father or guardian for marriage, just as the bride always did. In early Rome, the couple's consent may not have been needed, but later it was required. Since, however, girls were usually only twelve to fourteen years old at first marriage, such consent would have been mostly nominal anyway."

In other words, consent of both parties was required for a marriage, but if the girl was young she may have not have had much choice but go along with her father or guardian's wishes. Older women may have had more freedom.

In the case of Cornelia, a daughter of Scipio Africanus, she was married to Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus (consul in 177 and 163 B.C.) after the death of her father. She had 12 children, 3 of whom lived to adulthood--the two boys were the famous tribunes Tiberius Gracchus and Gaius Gracchus. After her husband's death she was reportedly offered marriage by the king of Egypt but turned him down.

34 posted on 04/09/2013 8:39:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: The Antiyuppie
It is interesting that PHYSICAL maturity seems to have also gone in the other direction from MENTAL maturity.

Not surprising as that was before the age of child labor laws. Back in the day, children started working as soon as they were able. Children were little adults.

35 posted on 04/09/2013 9:02:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that their fathers could arrange a marriage for them at the age of 12?


Kinda’ like them rag heads.


36 posted on 04/09/2013 9:44:07 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a democrap above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS. (It's the Law))
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To: OneWingedShark

Except a 12 year old will have a difficult time giving birth.I think I don’t like you.


37 posted on 04/09/2013 9:47:13 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: moonshinner_09

“Conservative social values, natural GOP constituency”


38 posted on 04/09/2013 9:51:45 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: moonshinner_09

You can be a consenting adult or a parent at 12, but the state can force you to attend school until you’re 16 or so. And if you don’t, they can arrest your parents and put you in foster care.


39 posted on 04/10/2013 5:15:58 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: fatima
Except a 12 year old will have a difficult time giving birth.I think I don’t like you.

Ah, so I point out a cultural value where it's permissible to marry at a "very young age" (13)... and that somehow translates to "12 year old girls must be married and be mothers at 12"? -- That doesn't make much sense, 'may' and 'must' are two different things.

40 posted on 04/10/2013 6:40:51 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ought-six

The Catholic Church should have taken care of this a long time ago.


41 posted on 04/10/2013 6:30:40 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

But, don’t you know, that is just another law that doesn’t apply to them.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 6:35:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: OneWingedShark

You said “Not really; the age of [about] 12 has been, in many places and times, the time where one participates in a “coming of age” ritual (Bar- and Bat-mitzvah for modern-day [religious] counterparts) — such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite “line” for being an adult. “You said 12 and you did not add may.Implying a 12 year old girl is an adult.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 7:20:46 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

> You said “Not really; the age of [about] 12 has been, in many places and times, the time where one participates in a “coming of age” ritual (Bar- and Bat-mitzvah for modern-day [religious] counterparts) — such rituals/rites are very good in the sense that there is a definite “line” for being an adult.
>
> You said 12 and you did not add may.Implying a 12 year old girl is an adult.

I also put ‘about’ meaning that age-group — 13-15 would probably be a lot more common, and 12 being the low end... and insofar as I know the common marker is “the first period”* which is what marks a girl’s transition to woman. (Men have no such marker, and thus the coming-of-age ritual/rite is far more significant for them.)

Further, I was talking about both boys and girls (assuming that the lower-bound was in question); yet apparently you have no problem with considering 12 year old males men.

* That generally happens at “about 12” no?


44 posted on 04/11/2013 7:37:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Hello,The title of the article is “Age of sexual consent in Mexico is 12!””The most troubling and telling reason behind the growing epidemic of child molestation at the hands of illegal aliens, may lie in the fact the age of sexual consent throughout the majority of Mexico is 12 years of age.”You never said 13 to 15.If you misspoke just say it and get it over with.If you stand by your words I have reported you.


45 posted on 04/11/2013 7:56:39 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: moonshinner_09

oddly enough if you google “edad de consentimiento sexual en mexico” everything that comes up tells you the age of consent is 18. even the wikipedia site that says its 12 in english says its 18 on the spanish version.


46 posted on 04/11/2013 8:12:43 PM PDT by chiselchin
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To: fatima
Hello,The title of the article is “Age of sexual consent in Mexico is 12!”

I was commenting that young ages such as 12 aren't uncommon for the coming-of-age in a historical context of all cultures.

”The most troubling and telling reason behind the growing epidemic of child molestation at the hands of illegal aliens, may lie in the fact the age of sexual consent throughout the majority of Mexico is 12 years of age.”

And I have said nothing on the matter of child molestation on this thread, only commenting on what differentiates a child from and adult.

You never said 13 to 15.If you misspoke just say it and get it over with.If you stand by your words I have reported you.

Hm, so you already reported me? For what?
I said it was regrettable that our society doesn't have a well-defined coming-of-age rite/ritual -- I didn't say anything about when it should be.
Are you the sort of person who cannot read what is being said but has to bring in all emotional attachments to words?

PS and the Bar-mizfah, which I explicitly listed, is at 13; so while I didn't say "thirteen" or "13" explicitly I certainly did mention it implicitly.

47 posted on 04/11/2013 8:23:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Goodbye.


48 posted on 04/11/2013 8:26:52 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: The Antiyuppie; Farmer Dean
It is interesting that PHYSICAL maturity seems to have also gone in the other direction from MENTAL maturity. A lot of “children” wound up being the “man or woman of the house” at 16 200 years ago when a parent died. Today...Bad Idea.

Back in the Late Pliocene when I was a kid, part of maturity involved being seen as responsible enough to look after children (babysitting). How many teens these days babysit for money (and as training for responsible adulthood)?

49 posted on 04/11/2013 9:45:23 PM PDT by thecodont
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