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Bill O'Reilly NOT looking out for you--Part II
Coach is Right ^ | 4/16/13 | Ron Reale

Posted on 04/16/2013 12:10:24 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax

All full of his normal bombast and bluster, on 4/11/13, Bill O’Reilly once again proved he hadn’t a grasp on the subject at hand, whether or not to legalize marijuana.

His plan is to put responsible adults or children who smoke into the legal system, destroying them and their families. He wants to keep feeding the corrupt legal system that thrives off of these “offenses/freedoms” (depending on your point of view).

He wants these draconian punishments because he feels that pot will destroy anyone trying it, a view responsible for turning more people into...

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1 posted on 04/16/2013 12:10:24 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
There's no shortage of people who just don't get freedom. They think the freedoms they like should be protected, but the freedoms they don't like should be prohibited. They're no different from leftists extremists, though some of them like to pretend they're big believers in freedom.

How many times do we have to try Prohibition before we realize it's an utterly stupid, thoroughly bad idea?

2 posted on 04/16/2013 12:14:48 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

Sorry but O’Reilly is absolutely right on this issue. You have absolutelt no real perspective on the real harm marijuana has done to hundreds of thousands “casual” users. It has been well documented to be a gateway drug, has been clearly associated with schizophrenia and a host of personality disorders that have ruined or diminished lives. No reputable rehabilitation specialist or addiction professional condones its use. It is especially dangerous when used by adolesents. The US has declined markedly since marijuana use has become widespread. The argument that its use is a matter of “personal freedom” is not the sort of rot one should find on FR.


3 posted on 04/16/2013 12:27:17 PM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale; Standing Wolf
It has been well documented to be a gateway drug,

The gateway claim is nonsense - research shows that the correlation between earlier marijuana use and later use of other drugs can be explained by a "common-factor" model, that is, a third factor that causes both results, such as individuals' opportunities and unique propensities to use drugs, or more broadly a social or psychological predisposition towards anti-social behavior. (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB6010/index1.html, http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors253.pdf)

Also note that the same sort of correlation between earlier marijuana and later harder drugs also exists between earlier alcohol and tobacco and later illegal drugs - so if marijuana is a "gateway" so are alcohol and tobacco.

has been clearly associated with schizophrenia and a host of personality disorders that have ruined or diminished lives.

Association is not causation - it's equally plausible that the mentally ill turn to marijuana in a misguided attempt to self-medicate.

No reputable rehabilitation specialist or addiction professional condones its use.

Nor the use of tobacco - shall we ban that too?

It is especially dangerous when used by adolesents.

Nobody advocates making marijuana legal for minors.

The US has declined markedly since marijuana use has become widespread.

The US has declined markedly since flat-screen TVs have become widespread.

4 posted on 04/16/2013 12:34:17 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: allendale

Your post is absolute BS so long as alchohol remains legal. It’s BS for other reasons, too, but especially this one, considering how much worse of a blight on our civilization is booze compared to weed.


5 posted on 04/16/2013 12:36:32 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Oldpuppymax

Duh. Are conservatives not me really that dumb? I don’t think so.


6 posted on 04/16/2013 12:40:57 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: allendale

Nice script. Who wrote it for you, Jack Webb?


7 posted on 04/16/2013 12:45:35 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
He wants these punishments because he wants to keep pot from our children. He really said that! Right before he told his guest that you could find pot on any high school or college campus in the nation!

The razor-sharp mind of the Drug Warrior at work. By comparison, Cheech and Chong were rocket scientists.

8 posted on 04/16/2013 12:46:27 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: allendale

“The US has declined markedly since marijuana use has become widespread.”

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. This was also a period of time during which people were shielded from the consequences of their actions like never before. Plus a million different things, none of which have anything in particular to do with weed. I don’t know how you know weed caused the decline in importance of family, church, community, etc., instead of the other way around.

Even if weed is to blame, it is unjust to pretend growing, dealing, and smoking it are crimes. Whoever told you freedom didn’t have a price? A marked decline is worth it, considering how much worse is prohibition.


9 posted on 04/16/2013 12:47:27 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Oldpuppymax

Hey Bill I guess its a major crime to smoke dope but stalking and talking dirty on the phone to your producer is A OK huh Buddy?


10 posted on 04/16/2013 12:47:28 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: allendale
The argument that its use is a matter of “personal freedom” is not the sort of rot one should find on FR.

Sorry, allendale, but this is Free Republic, not Leftist Extremist Republic. So long as I'm not harming others, my life is mine to do with as I please.

I smoked pot as a college kid in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I never did learn to like the taste or smell of it, and abandoned it in 1972. I can't imagine I'd ever want to smoke it again, but if I ever do, that's my inherent right.

What's so hard to understand about rights?

11 posted on 04/16/2013 12:50:48 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf; All

The key to understanding where Bull OReilly is coming from is this imo. Constitution-ignorant “patriots” need to get a grip on the concept that Obama guard dog OReilly borrows Obama’s teleprompter when Obama isn’t using it.

But seriously, we will probably never hear pro-OWG OReilly reference state sovereignty-related constitutonal statutes such as Congress’s Article I, Section 8-limited powers, Article V and the 10th Amendment in his public policy debates. I had put my faith in Fx News’s phony comfort zone for conservatives for years, but realized the error of my ways a couple years after Obama was first elected.


12 posted on 04/16/2013 12:52:41 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

What I never got about the gateway argument is why it excludes smoking and drinking, which if I recall childhood accurately came before marijuana “experimentation.” Obviously, the answer is we tried banning booze and failed, and smokers are too big a lobby, even though they toy the runnaround with those idiotic lawsuits and stupid restrictions based on the nonexistent threat of “secondhand smoke.” Weed smokers, contrariwise, are still a small enough minority to beat upon.

How does the gateway argument stretch past childhood, while we’re at it? Why can’t it be like booze, whereby the law pretends we’re minors for three years after the age of majority? Or it could be like cigarettes, with which we deal ever so more rationally. Why can’t 70 year olds, for instance, light up? Are we afraid marijuana would doom their 80s to a haze of meth abuse?


13 posted on 04/16/2013 12:57:21 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

I have a problem with the drug laws when they make illegal drugs easier for kids to get then alcohol. A 16 year old kid can buy all kinds of drugs off the street without much difficulty. The drug dealer doesn’t ask for anything but the cash to pay for the drugs. I think the drug war is lost when kids have a harder time buying cigarettes and alcohol then they do buying drugs.


14 posted on 04/16/2013 12:57:26 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Tublecane
Why can’t 70 year olds, for instance, light up? Are we afraid marijuana would doom their 80s to a haze of meth abuse?

LOL!


15 posted on 04/16/2013 1:06:08 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: allendale
You are absolutely correct...

Labour's liberalisation of the cannabis laws was a disaster that pushed up drug use and crime and doubled the number of drug victims in hospital beds

How much freedom does a drug addict who is a slave to drugs enjoy?

How much freedom do people who can't walk their streets because of high levels of crime connected to drugs enjoy?

16 posted on 04/16/2013 1:08:34 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Oldpuppymax
Bill O'Reilly is a self-centered, self-promoting windbag.

Sometime ago he either flipped a coin or stuck his finger into the wind and decided that he could make more money fooling conservatives than liberals.

If he happens to be right every once in a while it is merely accidental or just part of the act.

17 posted on 04/16/2013 1:11:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: peeps36

I don’t know if licker and smokes are harder to come by than other drugs. In the first place there’s a much better chance your parents are stocked with cigarettes and booze than weed. Also, older friends and siblings are easily pressed into service to buy you what you’ll be able to buy for yourself in a few years. Maybe it comes down to the fact that dealers tend to deal in substances which are illegal for adults, too, because there’s no market for the stuff you can get on your own without much hassle.

I remember when I was in high school, which wasn’t too long ago, anyone who wanted to could smoke and most parties were booze parties. Weed smokers were a more particular bunch. The only ones who used crystal and other harder drugs were burnouts. I do recall hearing that nowadays heroin is back in a big way because it’s cheaper than the various prescription opiates kids steal from their parents. I could see something similar happening with cigarettes or booze.


18 posted on 04/16/2013 1:14:35 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Berlin_Freeper; allendale
Labour's liberalisation of the cannabis laws was a disaster that pushed up drug use and crime and doubled the number of drug victims in hospital beds

Criminologist refutes cannabis-related crime increase claims - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3005416/posts

How much freedom does a drug addict who is a slave to drugs enjoy?

About as much as an alcohol or tobacco addict.

How much freedom do people who can't walk their streets because of high levels of crime connected to drugs enjoy?

Criminalization of drugs motivates crime by hyperinflating drug prices - and puts the profits in criminal hands.

19 posted on 04/16/2013 1:15:27 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Bit of a dopey or perhaps dope inspired rebuttal. You simply don’t have the proper cultural perspective.


20 posted on 04/16/2013 1:17:50 PM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale
It has been well documented to be a gateway drug,

The gateway claim is nonsense - research shows that the correlation between earlier marijuana use and later use of other drugs can be explained by a "common-factor" model, that is, a third factor that causes both results, such as individuals' opportunities and unique propensities to use drugs, or more broadly a social or psychological predisposition towards anti-social behavior. (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB6010/index1.html, http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors253.pdf)

Also note that the same sort of correlation between earlier marijuana and later harder drugs also exists between earlier alcohol and tobacco and later illegal drugs - so if marijuana is a "gateway" so are alcohol and tobacco.

has been clearly associated with schizophrenia and a host of personality disorders that have ruined or diminished lives.

Association is not causation - it's equally plausible that the mentally ill turn to marijuana in a misguided attempt to self-medicate.

No reputable rehabilitation specialist or addiction professional condones its use.

Nor the use of tobacco - shall we ban that too?

It is especially dangerous when used by adolesents.

Nobody advocates making marijuana legal for minors.

The US has declined markedly since marijuana use has become widespread.

The US has declined markedly since flat-screen TVs have become widespread.

Bit of a dopey or perhaps dope inspired rebuttal.

Whereas your counterpoint is a marvel of research and logic. ROTFL!

You simply don’t have the proper cultural perspective.

Which is what?

21 posted on 04/16/2013 1:20:59 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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22 posted on 04/16/2013 1:22:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Tublecane

i would hate to see it legal but sure would like it de-criminalized


23 posted on 04/16/2013 1:28:12 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: allendale

I suppose we should ban cigarettes, junk food, alcohol, aspirin, etc., since those have all caused huge problems in society.

Where do you draw the line?


24 posted on 04/16/2013 1:28:37 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Oldpuppymax
O’ Really is a Populist...

They can be libertine, quasi conservative or liberal on any given day.

In my experience they generally come from the Democrat stable. They are usually somewhat disaffected Dems who cannot join the conservative platform because they despise what they perceive as moral judgments.

Thus they have no core beliefs and are only effective politically at times of political confusion in the rank and file voter.

There is really nothing you can do with a person like this except to avoid electing them, because they will say and do anything that they perceive to be in the public interests or to get elected...

We have several in the GOP already, but as a opinion journalist, they tend to be successful as they only insult a potion of their audience at any one time, reversing the procedure on the following day, article or telecast....IMO This is why O'really still has a broad audience and why FOX employs him. I would not waste time trying to expose what essentially is a man of all seasons and jack of all trades....

25 posted on 04/16/2013 1:29:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“How much freedom does a drug addict who is a slave to drugs enjoy?”

You’re confusing freedoms, here. One is the gubmints business, the other is between man and God or nature or himself, or whatever. One is your business, the other not. Very many choices are becoming the collective’s business, the more gubmint intrudes on our lives. Food, for instance, I assume will be just as regulatable as now is marijuana, considering we’re all responsible for eachother’s healthcare bills. And the logic is tight: if you cost the people more money than the next guy because you’re fat, you deserve to be punished by the state. That is, if the law is not going to be held back by oldfashioned concern for personal freedom, individual autonomy, and justice as traditionally understood.

There’s another way, however. Fatties could pay more for the same insurance. Weed smokers could be responsible for their own actions. We could let the inherent absence of freedom in addiction to which you allude make smoking weed, if ot really is so bad, correct itself, rather than the state further restricting the freedom that’s not there anyway.


26 posted on 04/16/2013 1:29:48 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Cold Heat

potion=portion


27 posted on 04/16/2013 1:30:50 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Donnafrflorida
i would hate to see it legal but sure would like it de-criminalized

Any particular reason?

28 posted on 04/16/2013 1:31:32 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
About as much as an alcohol or tobacco addict.
15 Shocking images show the cost of drug addiction

Criminalization of drugs motivates crime by hyperinflating drug prices - and puts the profits in criminal hands.
You have no evidence of what drug prices would be. If anything Democrats would slap high taxes on it and grow government. You become a slave to drugs and the democrats.
29 posted on 04/16/2013 1:32:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Your arguments are not valid or even logical. Your suppositions and statements are simply not true or flawed, and your conclusions are wrong and biased. Your advocacy,tone and mask of “freedom” is a bit reminiscent of Janis Joplin wailing about freedom and the joys of drug use. Then again Janis be dead. Better luck to you than Janis had.


30 posted on 04/16/2013 1:33:14 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Tublecane

Your big mistake is completely ignoring the scourge of drugs on society. The laws of the land are my business. Walking the streets without crime because of drugs is my business too.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 1:36:40 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
About as much as an alcohol or tobacco addict.

15 Shocking images show the cost of drug addiction

App shows how alcohol can age users

Criminalization of drugs motivates crime by hyperinflating drug prices - and puts the profits in criminal hands.

You have no evidence of what drug prices would be. If anything Democrats would slap high taxes on it and grow government.

They haven't taxed alcohol enough to make illegal product competitive - and only in NYC have they done so with tobacco. Should we ban everything that Democrats do or can tax?

32 posted on 04/16/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: allendale
Your arguments are not valid or even logical. Your suppositions and statements are simply not true or flawed, and your conclusions are wrong and biased.

And as proof of that you offer only your unsupported say-so. Who do you think you're persuading?

33 posted on 04/16/2013 1:39:13 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: allendale

Some people’s motivation here is the love of drugs.
Others is love for America.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 1:39:55 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: allendale

What is your “cultural perspective”? I imagine a group of men sitting in a cloud of cigar smoke, drunkly rambling about how irresponsible are those damn, longhaired hippies, before each drives home or into a tree.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 1:40:23 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Your big mistake is completely ignoring the scourge of drugs on society.

Your big mistake is thinking that drug criminalization has done anything but add more problems to the mix.

36 posted on 04/16/2013 1:40:27 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Some people’s motivation here is the love of drugs.

Some people’s motivation here is telling scummy lies about those with whom they disagree - because they lose every argument based on fact and logic.

37 posted on 04/16/2013 1:41:23 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
The US has declined markedly since flat-screen TVs have become widespread.

The US has declined markedly since we put a man on the moon. We need to stop that.

Oh, wait....

38 posted on 04/16/2013 1:43:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Your argument is twisting in the wind.

What happened to your cheaper drugs argument?


39 posted on 04/16/2013 1:45:39 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

A little reality reduced fast. LoL!


40 posted on 04/16/2013 1:47:05 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
They haven't taxed alcohol enough to make illegal product competitive - and only in NYC have they done so with tobacco. Should we ban everything that Democrats do or can tax?

Your argument is twisting in the wind.

You're huffing and puffing but my houses isn't blowing down.

What happened to your cheaper drugs argument?

It's right up there. Should I type slower for you?

41 posted on 04/16/2013 1:48:14 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A little reality reduced *you* fast. LoL!


42 posted on 04/16/2013 1:48:45 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
A little reality reduced fast.

I'm sorry, I don't speak gibberish. Can you say that in English?

43 posted on 04/16/2013 1:49:16 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

No, actually I am done cutting you down.

Try not to take it out on your hamster.


44 posted on 04/16/2013 1:51:06 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Some people’s motivation here is the love of drugs.

Some people’s motivation here is telling scummy lies about those with whom they disagree - because they lose every argument based on fact and logic.

A little reality

None of that in your posts.

reduced *you* fast.

"Reduced" me to telling the truth (but not to crying to the mods like a bawlin' weeper).

45 posted on 04/16/2013 1:51:45 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
No, actually I am done cutting you down.

You're farther removed from reality than any drug could make me.

46 posted on 04/16/2013 1:52:48 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: CZ75b
Papa O’Reilly

Baba O’Reilly?

48 posted on 04/16/2013 1:55:11 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Which is what”

Probably, “They drank booze in the Bible, whereas when I think of marijuana all that comes to mind is dropouts eating cheetos.” You can say alchohol has been a part of our civilization for millenia, since it has, and according to that people assume we know how to deal with it by now. We don’t, or at least not any better than other drugs. I often wonder how weed is so different that we can’t apply the way we treat booze to it.

But so long as weed remains illegal, you can imagine things being infinitely worse under it than under alchohol freedom. Presumably this would involve drivers repeatedly losing control of their cars, husbands beating wives, unemployment and general physical decline, etc. You know, all the things alchohol doesn’t cause thanks to our culture/s


49 posted on 04/16/2013 1:58:12 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: allendale
You simply don’t have the proper cultural perspective.

Heh. You made a joke and didn't know it.

50 posted on 04/16/2013 1:58:44 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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