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Major general questions Obama's eligibility to hold office
Examiner.com ^ | 04/18/2013 | Marv Dumon

Posted on 04/18/2013 1:33:32 PM PDT by Marv Dumon

On Wednesday, Major Gen. Carroll D. Childers (Ret.) sent a formal letter to Judge Morrison C. England to analyze birther evidence against President Barack Obama. Judge England will soon preside over a birther case brought on by Orly Taitz against the president.

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1 posted on 04/18/2013 1:33:32 PM PDT by Marv Dumon
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To: Marv Dumon

And the beat goes on.


2 posted on 04/18/2013 1:35:44 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Marv Dumon

And the beat goes on.


3 posted on 04/18/2013 1:36:02 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Marv Dumon

Hey, Marv...

You seem to be here for no other reason than to promote your blog:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:marvdumon/index?tab=articles

What are your thoughts on that?


4 posted on 04/18/2013 1:38:39 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Marv Dumon

Retired National Guard Officer who has apparently been throwing his rank around for years on the various birther issues. He’s entitled to his opinion but his attempt to use his military status as some sort of authority for what is says is lame at best.


5 posted on 04/18/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Marv Dumon

With Obama’s election and reelection, the question became moot.

Even if it did make it to the Supreme Court, we could expect a ruling from CJ Roberts similar to his ruling on Obamacare: The citizenry voted for the representation who wrote and passed that bill.

The CJ could rule the same: The citizery not only elected Obama by a significant majority, but they reelected him. By their electing him, they defacto made him eligible for the office.


6 posted on 04/18/2013 1:43:47 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Marv Dumon

Excuse my relative ignorance of military policies but...I always thought that military officers who are classified as “retired”...as oppose to those who resign their commission...are subject to recall to active duty until their death or the point when they resign their commission.If I’m correct (which certainly may not be the case) doesn’t this subject the General to recall and possible court martial for this “treasonous” statement? Although it just occurred to me...perhaps even if he is subject to recall he might not be subject to court martial for things he’s said/done while “retired”.


7 posted on 04/18/2013 1:45:27 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Marv Dumon

More birther nonsense that will go exactly nowhere. Also, Orly Taitz is national joke.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 1:46:05 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Marv Dumon

Forget the birther stuff. He’s now qualified. I would pass a background test and he wouldn’t. I could get a security clearance and he couldn’t. He’s a communist who hates this country.


9 posted on 04/18/2013 1:46:16 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: TomGuy

the majority of republicans did not vote


10 posted on 04/18/2013 1:48:38 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: I want the USA back

yes sir


11 posted on 04/18/2013 1:54:26 PM PDT by Marv Dumon
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To: centurion316

she served America for 44 years. Obama served USSR for less than that


12 posted on 04/18/2013 1:54:26 PM PDT by Marv Dumon
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To: TomGuy

2 wrongs dont make it right. ignoring evidence would be the 2nd mistake


13 posted on 04/18/2013 1:54:26 PM PDT by Marv Dumon
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To: jrd

and black panthers each voted several times


14 posted on 04/18/2013 1:54:26 PM PDT by Marv Dumon
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To: TomGuy
With Obama’s election and reelection, the question became moot.

How so? I don't recall anything in The Constitution that states if someone successful usurps the office that the Natural Born Citizen portion become moot. Hell, there's not even proof he's a citizen of any sort, natural born or otherwise!

15 posted on 04/18/2013 1:57:24 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Marv Dumon

Hey, Marv...

How is it that the only stuff you find worth posting is your own?

You know, your own Examiner blog for which you get paid per hit.

Doesn’t that sort of make it look like you are just here to get some hits?
What’s up with all the posts of your own blog and all?

What are your thoughts on that, Marv?


16 posted on 04/18/2013 1:58:57 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Marv Dumon; a fool in paradise
England will soon preside over a birther case

Why is England presiding over an American case? I thought the matter was settled 230 years ago?!

17 posted on 04/18/2013 2:01:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Longbow1969

Many would say that those who put her down are a bad joke. Orly Taitz is doing a Herculean job at a Herculean task. She’s a patriot of the first order. Would that even 5% of Americans had the moxie and patriotism and willing to walk the walk, as she does.


18 posted on 04/18/2013 2:02:49 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: TomGuy
Well, I reckon with 600 days of term left to The Mombasa MF, you are correct in your suppositions.

But, BUUUUUT, there are other geeks (would you believe "republicans?") out there who are in some way attempting to use the illegal (better word "illegitimate") candidacy of this disbarred gay ass-klown as some sort of precedent.

So, some court somewhere had better take some case and decide for us what a natural born Citizen is, indeed what a citizen is, perhaps in a case not involving Reggie's boyfriend, but one of these new wannabes. American History books from then on would have to be rather like MLB record books (Pre-night games/Post night games).

That is, by the time the black-robed bum-kissers get around to it, The Hawaiian will be gone, and as is now known about Chet Arthur, will be judged to have been ineligible to run.

The creative homemade documentation uncovered by The Cold Case Posse is a whole 'nother situation,(crime actually) and may or may not surface after Reggie and Barry leave DC and Michelle takes a really long separate vacation with the kids.

In the meantime my children, we have a collapsed economy, and if we don't take the whole Congress in '14, we might as well hang up America's jock, and talk secession, or acceptance as just another Latin American country, subject to coups and counter-coups like any other.

19 posted on 04/18/2013 2:03:09 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: jrd
the majority of republicans did not vote

Actually, that is not true. If you look at the 'final' numbers, Romney actually got more votes than McCain did. Romney also won more Electoral Votes than McCain did.

Obama was the one who lost about 4 million votes between 2008 and 2012.


20 posted on 04/18/2013 2:04:40 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

The same old bozo nonsense—if ya get away with it, it must be legal. We need to pursue this until all the facts are known. NEVER GIVE UP!


21 posted on 04/18/2013 2:07:40 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Orly Taitz is doing a Herculean job at a Herculean task.

At the very least, she is getting ... reluctantly ... a pretty good bit of legal training. However, IMNSVHO, if Obama is not paying her herculean sums for the herculean tasks she is accomplishing on his behalf, he ought to be.

Note to Orly: When the Judge speaks, my beautiful Dentist Comrade, listen. Maybe take notes. Do not call him a communist, or accuse him of anything unnatural.

22 posted on 04/18/2013 2:07:42 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Marv Dumon

Hey, Marv...

It looks like that when you make comments you totally fail at capitalization and punctuation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:marvdumon/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

Oddly, the “articles” you post from your blog (pay per hit!)
all seem to have adequate 6th grade punctuation.

Are you maybe having someone more competent write this stuff for you?


23 posted on 04/18/2013 2:07:50 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Marv Dumon

Hey, Marv...

It looks like that when you make comments you totally fail at capitalization and punctuation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:marvdumon/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

Oddly, the “articles” you post from your blog (pay per hit!)
all seem to have adequate 6th grade punctuation.

Are you maybe having someone more competent write this stuff for you?


24 posted on 04/18/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Needed to be said twice!


25 posted on 04/18/2013 2:08:34 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Who is the authority for determining eligibility?

The House, when it votes in early January to certify the Electoral votes. They voted to approve the Obama election, twice.

When one decides to run, they have to file paperwork with the Election Commission. Is that commission responsible for determining eligibility?

When one runs, they usually run as a member of a political party. Is that party responsible for determining eligibility?

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Even so, there is no way any court or Congress is going to nullify Obama’s elections. The resulting chaos would be massive.

I repeat: the issue it moot.


26 posted on 04/18/2013 2:10:57 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Revolting cat!

This England:

England, Morrison C. Jr.
Born 1954 in St. Louis, MO

Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California
Nominated by George W. Bush on March 21, 2002, to a seat vacated by Lawrence K. Karlton. Confirmed by the Senate on August 1, 2002, and received commission on August 2, 2002. Served as chief judge, 2012-present.

Education:
University of the Pacific, B.A., 1977
University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law, J.D., 1983

Professional Career:
U.S. Army Reserve, 1988-
Private practice, California, 1983-1996
Judge, Superior Court of California, County of Sacramento, 1996-2002


27 posted on 04/18/2013 2:15:09 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Gay State Conservative

” possible court martial for this “treasonous” statement? “

It’s more like a treasonous accusation.


28 posted on 04/18/2013 2:18:21 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Gay State Conservative

” possible court martial for this “treasonous” statement? “

It’s more like a treasonous accusation.


29 posted on 04/18/2013 2:18:26 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Gay State Conservative

” possible court martial for this “treasonous” statement? “

It’s more like a treasonous accusation.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 2:18:31 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Marv Dumon

She is a he. To be a little more accurate, he served the State of Virginia for 44 years, not clear how long he served the country, but I do respect his service, certainly in comparison to Mr. Obama. I served for 25 years, every day of it on active duty. But, I don’t use my rank and service to try to add credibility to my political opinions. In that arena, I’m just like you and have to make an argument that will stand scrutiny. How long did you serve?


31 posted on 04/18/2013 2:37:55 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Marv Dumon

Yes, and on the contrary, Obama obtaining the presidency by fraud would disqualify Obama.


32 posted on 04/18/2013 2:39:01 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TomGuy; All
With Obama’s election and reelection, the question became moot.

I have a hunch that history may show that Obama is not an nbc which will make this generation look like fools to later generations if such is the case.

33 posted on 04/18/2013 2:54:14 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Gay State Conservative

as a retired officer, I am subject to recall until you are physically unable to do the job. Adm Rickover is a classic case forced to retire at 61 as a captain. Congress demanded he be recalled to active duty or else no approval of new rear admirals. Even held a promotion review to appoint one with nuclear energy skills. Only one was Rickover. He as hated for the officers and he hated them. He rode the Triton 586 during sea trials 1959 and I could tell some interesting tales about that trip.


34 posted on 04/18/2013 2:58:33 PM PDT by spookie
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To: Red Steel

Over five years there has been no criminal investigation for fraud and no congressional investigation for fraud.
There is no process for disqualification of a president The Twelveth Amendment states that whoever receives a majority of the votes of the Electoral College “shall be the president.” Obama’s Electoral votes were certified without objection by any member of Congress.
A federal judge already ruled on this in 2010 in a case that went to the Supreme Court.
Keyes, Barnett, et.al. v Obama, et. al.
US District Court Judge David O. Carter: “There may very well be a legitimate role for the judiciary to interpret whether the natural born citizen requirement has been satisfied in the case of a presidential candidate who has not already won the election and taken office. However, on the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Plaintiffs attempt to subvert this grant of power to Congress by convincing the Court that it should disregard the constitutional procedures in place for the removal of a sitting president. The process for removal of a sitting president—REMOVAL FOR ANY REASON—is within the province of Congress, not the courts.”—U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, October 29, 2009
http://ia600204.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.435591/gov.uscourts.cacd.435591.89.0.pdf


35 posted on 04/18/2013 3:07:41 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Marv Dumon

a birther case brought on by Orly Taitz against the president.

**************

A nuff said if Taitz is in the mix. DOA.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 3:13:17 PM PDT by deport
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Many would say that those who put her down are a bad joke.

Sure, "many" people say a lot of crazy things. Many people say the US government is behind 9-11, many other people say the Sandy Hook shootings didn't really happen, many others say the US faked the moon landing, etc.

Orly Taitz is doing a Herculean job at a Herculean task

LOL! You gotta be kidding. I can understand some people support her cause, but she definitely isn't good at lawyering. This woman gets laughed out court pretty much constantly.

She’s a patriot of the first order.

She's a clown.

37 posted on 04/18/2013 3:28:16 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Marv Dumon
Why not post the formal letter?


38 posted on 04/18/2013 3:29:04 PM PDT by deport
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To: Lower55

Retired military can be brought back on active duty and tried if it is determined they committed an offense while on active duty and it is still under the statute of limitations. Seen it happen.


39 posted on 04/18/2013 3:33:11 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Nero Germanicus
There isn't much that I don't know about Obama's lack of eligibility which I've followed going back to April, 2008 when I got the first inkling about it.

At this point, I care more about the truth here than the actual process of how Obama would be removed and knowing that this country wrongly let it happen.

Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Plaintiffs attempt to subvert this grant of power to Congress by convincing the Court that it should disregard the constitutional procedures in place for the removal of a sitting president

Yes, right and fraud to obtain office would constitute 'high crimes and misdemeanors' against the office of the presidency giving Congress the righteous justification, or even righteous justification for the VP and the majority of cabinet members to remove Obama, if he is found to be unfit. Do I think the dishonest Dems in the Senate or Obama's cabinet would do so? Not likely, but the truth would be known for future generations to paint shame on the US for this time period.

40 posted on 04/18/2013 3:53:00 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

“At this point, I care more about the truth...”

Excellent point!!! And perhaps the vetting process would be more rigorous from now on, especially if someone went to jail.


41 posted on 04/18/2013 4:23:06 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: Longbow1969
All Orly is saying is that a politician is not eligible for the office he has usurped. Not all that straw-man argument stuff you posted.

If she was wrong, Obama would have a valid Hawaii SSN, a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth in the form of a physical paper legal document with a raised seal, a valid four digit year stamp on his draft card and no-one would have attempted to cauterize his passport application file.

If Orly did nothing else but show that Obama used a stolen 042 Connecticut prefix SSN, she has still made a historical contribution.

If it was just the Internet fake BC, that would be one thing, but its a whole trail of really poor quality forgeries and pathetic GOP-e dissembling/gutless boot-licking.

Only a hopelessly corrupt judiciary, TV-media and political parties could allow this in a constitutional republic, and that is what you have in the USA.

42 posted on 04/18/2013 4:23:16 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: TomGuy

I see..... So using your logic, if a person who in some way does not meet the requirements to practice medicine but does so anyway and many people choose to turn a blind eye, call him Doctor and become his patients. Then, the lack of his / her qualifications become moot?


43 posted on 04/18/2013 4:37:58 PM PDT by Constitution 123
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To: Marv Dumon; humblegunner

Hey Marv. Why are you excerpting your own blog?


44 posted on 04/18/2013 4:38:12 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Longbow1969

And what you YOU DOING, Longbow1969? Yes, the task is Herculean, given how many people are out to stop her. While she is not Clarence Darrow, she is a lawyer and she’s giving it her best. What more can be asked of any man or woman?


45 posted on 04/18/2013 6:18:10 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Red Steel

I think that the best route for the removal of Obama from the presidency prior to the end of his second term would be via an indictment of him for a crime, any crime, in any jurisdiction. That would force his resignation just as it did in Watergate for Nixon.
His own party would demand that he resign so that they would not be tarnished by his criminal behavior.
Winning civil suit after civil suit over eligibility has helped Obama and he was able to use the issue to get reelected.


46 posted on 04/18/2013 8:54:30 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: RetiredArmy

“Retired military can be brought back on active duty and tried if it is determined they committed an offense while on active duty and it is still under the statute of limitations. Seen it happen.”

So, it’s best not to question Obama. I get it.


47 posted on 04/18/2013 9:18:49 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Lower55

It’s ok to question as long as you don’t mind the possible consequences. Lt.C. Terry Lakin questioned and it cost him his freedom, his commission, his medical license and his pension.
Every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is an Obama appointee. Folks who fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice don’t have the same freedoms as non-military citizens.
Besides, most judges don’t read mail connected to their active cases until after adjudication. If you want a point of view to influence a judge’s ruling, submit an amicus brief.

Amicus Curiae Brief:
“Literally, friend of the court. A person with strong interest in or views on the subject matter of an action, but not a party to the action, may petition the court for permission to file a brief, ostensibly on behalf of a party but actually to suggest a rationale consistent with its own views. Such amicus curiae briefs are commonly filed in appeals concerning matters of a broad public interest; e.g., civil rights cases. They may be filed by private persons or the government. In appeals to the U.S. courts of appeals, an amicus brief may be filed only if accompanied by written consent of all parties, or by leave of court granted on motion or at the request of the court, except that consent or leave shall not be required when the brief is presented by the United States or an officer or agency thereof.

An amicus curiae educates the court on points of law that are in doubt, gathers or organizes information, or raises awareness about some aspect of the case that the court might otherwise miss. The person is usually, but not necessarily, an attorney, and is usually not paid for her or his expertise. An amicus curiae must not be a party to the case, nor an attorney in the case, but must have some knowledge or perspective that makes her or his views valuable to the court.”—The Legal Dictionary


48 posted on 04/19/2013 9:40:32 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Longbow1969
More birther nonsense that will go exactly nowhere. Also, Orly Taitz is national joke.

You are a local joke. Perhaps you will reach prominence as a national joke someday.

49 posted on 04/19/2013 11:54:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Many would say that those who put her down are a bad joke. Orly Taitz is doing a Herculean job at a Herculean task. She’s a patriot of the first order. Would that even 5% of Americans had the moxie and patriotism and willing to walk the walk, as she does.

Orly is a disorganized, unintelligible, shrill advocate for the cause of common sense and justice. It is the Courts which are the sad joke, but they have been so since Roosevelt stacked the whole system with Liberals.

50 posted on 04/19/2013 11:57:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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