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OUTRAGEOUS: Police In Boston Trample On Constitution
ConstitutionSchool.com ^ | April 24, 2013

Posted on 04/24/2013 10:12:21 AM PDT by KentuckyTim

The terrorist attack in Boston and ensuing events in Watertown had everyone on edge, but shocking new home video from Massachusetts show law enforcement officers trampling over the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution – which guarantees “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures… and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

A video recently uploaded to YouTube by residents whose home was searched reveal that earlier accounts of ‘voluntary searches’ were nothing more than an outright lie.

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1 posted on 04/24/2013 10:12:21 AM PDT by KentuckyTim
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To: KentuckyTim

I wonder how many would have died if residents had met the Police at the door with a shotgun?

Lock me in my house and tell me that dangerous persons are in the neighborhood, and I would have answered the door by sticking a gun barrel in someones face.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 10:17:19 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: KentuckyTim

This video [1] clearly shows a case where government was so frantic to find someone that it was willing to unilaterally suspend the law. Why? Recall a similar mindset during the recent manhunt for cop-killer Christopher Dorner.
Police even shot up a pickup truck carrying two women delivering newspapers. In that case, local and state government gave the police officers involved a
pass:

From the LA Times article [2] on the $4.2 million settlement paid to the victims:

“LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called the shooting “a tragic misinterpretation” by officers working under “incredible tension” hours after Dorner allegedly shot police officers.”

This is how it works folks. Dorner was on a vendetta against the Los Angeles police department. Government itself was the part who was threatened. When government is treatened, government will excuse far more egregious behavior than it would ever tolerate from those citizens within its jurisdiction.

The two Boston Bombers where a threat to local and state government. That is why government gave itself a pass. They also did not want to appear incompetent to the taxpayers. Only third was public safety an issue.

So citizens get terrorized multiple times: by the original act and then by the authorities whose rage is palpable, and even then by the media who use the incident to spin up new versions of old memes by which The Agenda is advanced.

[1] video: http://curmudgeonlyskeptical.blogspot.com/2013/04/warrantless-entry.html?

[2] LA Times: Women’s settlement with LAPD in Dorner case worth $4.2 million.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story


3 posted on 04/24/2013 10:18:27 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: KentuckyTim
Residents cheer capture of Marathon bombing suspect
4 posted on 04/24/2013 10:20:37 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Now is a wonderful time for some attorney to publish the legal basis for the police invading people’s homes with armed force.

I would say let the class action litigation begin!


5 posted on 04/24/2013 10:22:48 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: McGruff

The end justifies the means?


6 posted on 04/24/2013 10:22:51 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: KentuckyTim

Thanks for the video...I just kept saying...OMG....OMG....OMG


7 posted on 04/24/2013 10:28:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Venturer

I wonder, how many mosques did they enter and search vs churches and homes?


8 posted on 04/24/2013 10:30:23 AM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: Venturer
"I wonder how many would have died if residents had met the Police at the door with a shotgun?"

Or followed Biden's advice to fire a shotgun through the door...

More seriously, what would the authorities have done if someone demanded a warrant before allowing entry to the house. I suspect they would have just used force against the citizen at that point.

9 posted on 04/24/2013 10:31:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: KentuckyTim

I wonder how things would’ve been different had the authorities treated Tamerlan Tsarnaev with the kind of aggressive suspicion prior to the bombing that they treat average citizens afterwards.


10 posted on 04/24/2013 10:37:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: KentuckyTim

Just curious.

Is that your website and articles you have written that your are posting on FR?


11 posted on 04/24/2013 10:39:27 AM PDT by deport
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To: skeeter
I wonder how things would’ve been different had the authorities treated Tamerlan Tsarnaev with the kind of aggressive suspicion prior to the bombing that they treat average citizens afterwards.

Excellent point!

12 posted on 04/24/2013 10:39:35 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: KentuckyTim

There was one disturbing video that I saw, but from reports on the ground, the police were very professional, courteous, and didn’t act unconstitutionally. The whole Shelter In Place thing was bullshit, though.


13 posted on 04/24/2013 10:41:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: skeeter
I wonder how things would’ve been different had the authorities treated Tamerlan Tsarnaev with the kind of aggressive suspicion prior to the bombing that they treat average citizens afterwards.

Good question.

Maybe the problem is that we have so many 'protected class' potential terrorists in our country that keeping up with them all is impossible.

I am reminded of this...


14 posted on 04/24/2013 10:44:46 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Lazamataz

I know nothing says professional and courteous in my book like having an MP5 leveled at me and mine while being “escorted” from my home.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 10:48:20 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Venturer

The “caretaker role” of the Massachusetts Police trumps your 4th Amendment right. I know this from a situation I had at my home. I have it in writing from a judge....


16 posted on 04/24/2013 10:51:58 AM PDT by Rick66 (Don't dislike me cause I live in Massholechusetts.)
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To: Lazamataz

Boston Strong

17 posted on 04/24/2013 10:53:28 AM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: Orangedog

That’s the video that was disturbing one.


18 posted on 04/24/2013 10:53:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Lazamataz

Here is another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Gb6i5DF9k


19 posted on 04/24/2013 10:57:02 AM PDT by jt2
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To: KentuckyTim

It happened during Katrina. Homeowners that remained in their home to protect it were thrown to the ground and disarmed when the police asked if they had any weapons.


20 posted on 04/24/2013 10:57:05 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: McGruff
 photo hitler-youth1.jpg

Lots of Germans cheered too.
21 posted on 04/24/2013 10:58:02 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’d be willing to bet that there were a lot of incidents that day which didn’t get recorded on video.

They didn’t just cross the Rubican with this one. They built a 6 lane causeway across it for easy access in the future. I don’t give a shit how “professional” some of these neighborhood lockdowns and house to house searches went. This is coming to a neighborhood near all of us very soon.


22 posted on 04/24/2013 11:03:22 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: KentuckyTim
but shocking new home video from Massachusetts show law enforcement officers trampling over the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution – which guarantees “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures… and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Seriously!? This is what has people's panties in a wad??

How about the TSA? The TSA has been violating the 4th Amendment since their inception and NO ONE has complained about it, we just meekly subject ourselves to whatever crap they make up so that we won't miss our flight!

We might want to reconsider our selective outrage!

23 posted on 04/24/2013 11:03:49 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: jt2

September 9, 1941
Hanover Jews Evicted from Homes by Nazis; Possessions Confiscated

ZURICH, Sep. 8 (JTA) –
Hundreds of Jews in Hanover have received notice to evacuate their homes within twenty-four hours, it is reported today from Berlin. They will be permitted to take with them only the most necessary objects the report states, while the remainder will be sold and the proceeds turned over to then at a “given time.”

The Mayor of Hanover issued a statement saying that “in order to relieve the distressed situation caused by the war I see myself compelled to immediately narrow down the space available to Jews in this city. I, therefore, demand that you quit your abode immediately,” It is reported that one of the places assigned to the evicted Jews is the mortuary hall of a local Jewish cemetery.

Other reasons given for the action were: the fact that “Jewry of other countries has forced this war upon Germany; and a book written by “The Jew Kaufmann in New York.” (It is thought that the Nazis must be referring to “Germany Must Perish” written by Theodore Kaufman.)


24 posted on 04/24/2013 11:03:54 AM PDT by jt2
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To: theBuckwheat

Defendants;

Janet Nepolatamo
FBI agents and supervisors
ATF b agents and supervisors
Boston mayor and staff
Boston Pd chief and participating officers
State of MA state police, governor and staff


25 posted on 04/24/2013 11:05:25 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DustyMoment

“How about the TSA? The TSA has been violating the 4th Amendment since their inception and NO ONE has complained about it, we just meekly subject ourselves to whatever crap they make up so that we won’t miss our flight!”

Really? Care to back up your claim?


26 posted on 04/24/2013 11:20:03 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: jt2; Orangedog

Alright. The video shown to me by jt2 makes it clear that this was a complete Constitutional trampling on a systemic level. I gotta tell ya, if I was in the midst of this, I would make a constitutional scene, guns pointed at me or not.

NO YOU MAY NOT ENTER. DO YOU HAVE A WARRANT. My lawyer would be on the phone.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 11:24:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: KentuckyTim

Is there any evidence

any documentation

any proof

anywhere

that during the Watertown search legally owned firearms were seized or confiscated from anyone?

Was anyone arrested anywhere in Watertown for armed defense of their residence?


28 posted on 04/24/2013 11:26:17 AM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Lazamataz

The irony is that the suspect wasn’t apprehended until the lock-down was lifted and people were actually able to go out of their homes and observe their own property. The 9,000 pairs of jackboots did nothing to track this guy down and in fact delayed his apprehension. An armed citizenry wouldn’t have cowered in their homes while the police played Rambo.


29 posted on 04/24/2013 11:29:54 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: theBuckwheat
In that case, local and state government gave the police officers involved a pass:

They almost always do.

30 posted on 04/24/2013 11:30:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Truth29
the Police at the door with a shotgun?"

Or something a bit more serious like a M-60 or a rebuilt MG-41

31 posted on 04/24/2013 11:32:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: NY Attitude

I remember seeing those thugs ruffing an elderly woman and taking her gun and how upset she was. I felt sorrier for her than the thieving, raping, murdering people the cops should have been disarming.


32 posted on 04/24/2013 11:38:58 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: theBuckwheat

There was a lot of law enforcement present and only one terrorist, they all can’t make the collar. While pinning John Q. Public to the floor in his foyer is a distant second -they’ll take it.


33 posted on 04/24/2013 11:41:04 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: jt2

I can’t believe the guy holding his little daughter saying “yea it’s scary having a bunch of guns pointed at me holding my daughter but they’re just doing their job”. OMG!


34 posted on 04/24/2013 11:42:03 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: papertyger

At least the Occifer in the photo has his index finger off the trigger while the innocent until proven guilty homeowner is perpwalked from her residence.

I wouldn’t live in a major city on a bet.


35 posted on 04/24/2013 11:42:27 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: McGruff
Residents cheer capture of Marathon bombing suspect

Were they cheering LE for capturing the perp or were they cheering because LE were now leaving their neighborhood so things would return to normal or a combination of both.

36 posted on 04/24/2013 11:45:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: DustyMoment

“How about the TSA? The TSA has been violating the 4th Amendment since their inception and NO ONE has complained about it, we just meekly subject ourselves to whatever crap they make up so that we won’t miss our flight!”

I’ve seen thread after thread railing against the TSA’s shenanigans on FR. Anyway, people at least have the option of driving to at least some destinations, as opposed to being poked and prodded by overweight rent-a-cops.

We do not have the easy luxury of avoiding such impositions on our Constitutional rights in our own homes.


37 posted on 04/24/2013 11:49:19 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: KentuckyTim

This whole thing is disturbing on so many levels especially when you realize that the odds of him entering any of the occupied homes was virtually nil and if they had set up a perimeter with those teams and begun a systematic search of everything OUTSIDE of those residences instead of entering and occupying homes they would more than likely have found him in short order. But instead they are going everywhere where he was not likely to be — and for what reason.


38 posted on 04/24/2013 12:05:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: papertyger

Wow, what’s up with that pic???? Seriously??


39 posted on 04/24/2013 12:12:40 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: KentuckyTim
When government is treatened, government will excuse far more egregious behavior than it would ever tolerate from those citizens within its jurisdiction.

Proof of this is the FBI response to the Waco Massacre. Key pieces of evidence "disappeared", including a 400-lbs metal front door, which proved nearly all the rounds fired came from the ATF. The Clinton Administration perpetrated the act, but a Republican Congress whitewashed the deed.
40 posted on 04/24/2013 12:21:29 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Petruchio

You’re point is?

Search has guidelines, not just the seizure part.


41 posted on 04/24/2013 1:35:09 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB
Now I need a point? Ok. Where is the evidence?

My point is that after 14 gazillion threads no one has linked to any E V I D E N C E that lawful firearms were confiscated, or owners of lawful firearms were detained anywhere in Watertown.

So far, all that can be gleaned from the postings is that warrant or not, the only thing searched for was the suspect. A suspect that had already shown more than once a desire to combine "Firefight" and "Whoop ass" into one main event. This is something that tends to make LE Bellybuttons pucker, yet there is a surprising lack of evidence that personal possessions were seized from anyone. Not even dopers have complained that a stash was lost. What happened in New Orleans did not happen in Watertown.

Foe the record, I am not a fan of LEOs, period. I highly respect Peace Officers. There is a difference. Similar to the difference between Sheriff Arpaio and LAPD Officer Dorner.

42 posted on 04/24/2013 2:31:26 PM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Altariel
Really? Care to back up your claim?

Certainly. The 4th Amendment provides protection from illegal search and seizure. In additiin, the SCOTUS has ruled that there must be probable cause for a law enforcement agency to conduct any search of yourself or your property.

So, since when did purchasing an airline ticket constitute probable cause? What crime has Mr. and Mrs. American flyer committed that allows them and their property to be searched and treated like criminal suspects prior to boarding an aircraft?

In addition, a lot of the stuff pulled by the TSA under the guise of "protection" is stuff they made up. I have taught classes at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in New Mexico and I can assure you that they make a lot of stuff up on the fly. They were not taught this stuff at the FLETC.

43 posted on 04/24/2013 3:14:01 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment
That's not where your claim ended.

“How about the TSA? The TSA has been violating the 4th Amendment since their inception and NO ONE has complained about it, we just meekly subject ourselves to whatever crap they make up so that we won’t miss our flight!

Care to back up your claim?

44 posted on 04/24/2013 3:22:53 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Petruchio

This doesn’t have to be about firearms, but warrantless search in a persons home. Forget the firearms, entering is enough.


45 posted on 04/24/2013 3:51:50 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Altariel
Care to back up your claim?

No. Since you, apparently didn't understand what you read, any further effort on my part to explain it to you would only be a waste of JimRob's bandwidth.

46 posted on 04/24/2013 4:13:20 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I perfectly understand what I read. You are electing not to defend the latter half of your claim.


47 posted on 04/24/2013 4:17:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: HollyB

I specified firearms because another poster compared it to Katrina.

Was it a warrant-less search? Do we know that?

We DO KNOW they formed a perimeter of an area to create a “Containment Zone”. Then they did a systematic sweep & search of that zone. When they called for the “shelter in place” and everyone stay off the streets stuff, did some Judge somewhere issue a sealed warrant for the general containment zone looking only for the suspect and any additional IEDs? Considering all the big shots involved, from the Governor on down, are they that stupid not to cover their collective asses? How much of the behind the scenes activities were never publicized so as to not tip off the terrorists?

Or, do you contend that a warrant can only be for a specific area of a specific size? 500 square feet and no larger?

As I said above, there is no evidence anything was confiscated that I have seen. No guns, no dope, no moonshine, no untaxed baked beans, no Cuban Cigars, nothing.

I can’t even find a record of any Tea Party Activists being detained during that search.


48 posted on 04/24/2013 4:59:31 PM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: papertyger

“Boston Strong “

That’s Watertown,not Boston. Get your facts straight.

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49 posted on 04/24/2013 5:04:16 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Petruchio

So you’re fine with unconstitutional searches, as long as nothing is taken. Got it.


50 posted on 04/24/2013 5:12:04 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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