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Bloomberg: Interpretation of Constitution 'Must Change' to Stop Terrorism, Gun Violence
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | April 23, 2013 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 04/24/2013 7:50:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On Monday, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that the Constitution would have to be reinterpreted in order to curtail civil liberties to prevent terrorism. Bloomberg likened such reinterpretation to the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment, which he says allowed for greater gun control to preserve public safety.

At a press conference, Bloomberg stated, “The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry. But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

Bloomberg then likened his desire for more gun control to the need for more restrictions of civil liberties: “Clearly the Supreme Court has recognized that you have to have different interpretations of the Second Amendment and what it applies to and reasonable gun laws … Here we’re going to to have to live with reasonable levels of security.”

He continued, “It really says something bad about us that we have to do it. But our obligation first and foremost is to keep our kids safe in the schools; first and foremost, to keep you safe if you go to a sporting event; first and foremost is to keep you safe if you walk down the streets or go into our parks,” he said....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 4thamendment; banglist; bloodoftyrants; bloomberg; constitution; corruption; govtabuse; guncontrol; pipsqueaktyrant; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty

1 posted on 04/24/2013 7:50:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe in original intent, and it seems very clear to me that private citizens should be able to own a single shot muzzle loaded matchlock or flintlock gun or duelling pistol.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 7:52:21 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm sure the mayor of NYC looks around at the concrete monstrosity he rules over and demands that everyone's notion of liberty match his own.

Too bad for him I live in the country, thousands of miles away from his kingdom.

3 posted on 04/24/2013 7:55:01 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: babble-on

Loonberg does tend to be a bag of useless information and goes on and on


4 posted on 04/24/2013 7:56:28 PM PDT by molson209
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think I’m going to donate some money to Jimmy (The rent is too damn high) McMillin.


5 posted on 04/24/2013 8:00:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Must be nice to pontificate on how we unwashed masses must surrender our freedoms while Doomburg himself is protected by armed security and lives in luxury enjoying freedoms that the rest of us will never know.

Flaming hypocrite.

Hey, Bloomers, cala a boca, bobo!


6 posted on 04/24/2013 8:01:52 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish Bloomers would do America a favor and move to Pyongyang, Tehran or Havana. He could make America “a better place” in a heartbeat if he’d just go away and stop harassing people. He’s getting to be a real pain in the @$$.


7 posted on 04/24/2013 8:02:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The struggle between Liberty and Authority is the most conspicuous feature in the portions of history with which we are earliest familiar, particularly in that of Greece, Rome, and England. But in old times this contest was between subjects, or some classes of subjects, and the Government. By liberty, was meant protection against the tyranny of the political rulers. The rulers were conceived (except in some of the popular governments of Greece) as in a necessarily antagonistic position to the people whom they ruled. They consisted of a governing One, or a governing tribe or caste, who derived their authority from inheritance or conquest, who, at all events, did not hold it at the pleasure of the governed, and whose supremacy men did not venture, perhaps did not desire, to contest, whatever precautions might be taken against its oppressive exercise. Their power was regarded as necessary, but also as highly dangerous; as a weapon which they would attempt to use against their subjects, no less than against external enemies. To prevent the weaker members of the community from being preyed on by innumerable vultures, it was needful that there should be an animal of prey stronger than the rest, commissioned to keep them down. But as the king of the vultures would be no less bent upon preying upon the flock than any of the minor harpies, it was indispensable to be in a perpetual attitude of defence against his beak and claws. The aim, therefore, of patriots was to set limits to the power which the ruler should be suffered to exercise over the community; and this limitation was what they meant by liberty. It was attempted in two ways. First, by obtaining a recognition of certain immunities, called political liberties or rights, which it was to be regarded as a breach of duty in the ruler to infringe, and which, if he did infringe, specific resistance, or general rebellion, was held to be justifiable. A second, and generally a later expedient, was the establishment of constitutional checks, by which the consent of the community, or of a body of some sort, supposed to represent its interests, was made a necessary condition to some of the more important acts of the governing power. To the first of these modes of limitation, the ruling power, in most European countries, was compelled, more or less, to submit. It was not so with the second; and, to attain this, or when already in some degree possessed, to attain it more completely, became everywhere the principal object of the lovers of liberty. - JS Mill On Liberty (1859)

8 posted on 04/24/2013 8:23:04 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (RIP Chrissie Amphlett.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Lesse. The fags and liberals control the brainwashing centers known as public schools. The demoRATs are full blown communist. What's left of the repugnant party is constantly moving to the left.

Yeah, they will succeed in abolishing the Constitution someday. And in the not too distant future.

9 posted on 04/24/2013 8:24:06 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

You know,,, maybe he’s right. And while we are at it, why should antiquated ideas of property rights be sacred anymore? Our founders had never heard of a “billionaire”. Maybe our interpretation of liberty and private property should change for the greater good. Maybe he needs to be stripped of all assets above Obamas magic number of 200,000 dollars./
Lets see how willing he is to give up something he holds dear./


10 posted on 04/24/2013 8:29:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bloomskirt wants us to be reduced to knuckles and fighting with our fists-

His interpetation is "bare arms"-

We got news for you, you SOB-

My arm is named Humerus and we are just ticklin for a fight-

It ain`t no laughin` matter, you Commie sob

coz you`re goona be laughin out the other side of your uglyfied face,

you sob NY sewer rat

11 posted on 04/24/2013 9:05:44 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh look, a disconnected lump of NYC dung wants to tell Americans how to live. Stay in your cesspit and preach to your lackeys, pocket Hitler!


12 posted on 04/24/2013 9:31:49 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Bloomberg is concerned about my welfare he should stop trying to weaken America. Fascist little pr##k.


13 posted on 04/24/2013 9:46:24 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Crucial

He’s a modern day cross between Caesar and Mussolini.


14 posted on 04/24/2013 9:54:23 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: bunkerhill7

Bloomskirt has been loading up his carrot juice with too much transfat sucrose lately.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 9:54:39 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's that Bloomin' idiot again.
Guess he never heard of Ben...

“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -- Benjamin Franklin

16 posted on 04/24/2013 9:56:13 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

F*CK Bloomberg. In my copy of the Constitution of The United States the words “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” are written in plain english and very clear


17 posted on 04/24/2013 11:05:20 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BS. WE lived through lots of terrorism in the past, and we didn’t need no stinkin disarmament of citizens to get back to more normal conditions.

Catch the SOB’s and kill them. Deport the illegals. Seal the borders. Get serious about cleaning out gangs and stopping the drug cartels from invading the country etc. etc.

Besides, I didn’t see any reports where the bozo bomber brothers used their pistol on anyone. They use pressure cooker bombs.

So what is Bloomie gonna do: Require permits and licensing for purchasing pressure cookers? The best defense we have is well armed law abiding citizens that’s the way to safety.

It is amazing to be that some black suited “authority” didn’t accidently kill someone when they were being “rescued” at the point of a gun.


18 posted on 04/24/2013 11:10:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is this man not removed from office for violatign his oath?


19 posted on 04/24/2013 11:28:50 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He shloudl be kicked out of office- made a nobody, and then take his constitutional rights away and see howe he likes it-


20 posted on 04/24/2013 11:30:19 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Trod Upon

[[Oh look, a disconnected lump of NYC dung wants to tell Americans how to live. Stay in your cesspit and preach to your lackeys, pocket Hitler!]]

The problem is that he’s gettign away with his ANTI-AMERICANISM- and them ore he gdets away with it, the further he pushes- knowing full well noone wil lstop him


21 posted on 04/24/2013 11:32:48 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bloomberg, you're not the Mayor of the USA so stop stressing your bloated disgusting ego
trying to rule over the rest of us. Stay in your cesspool.
22 posted on 04/24/2013 11:41:14 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tar & feathers were made for tyrants like Bloomberg.


23 posted on 04/25/2013 1:00:33 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By “reinterpreted”, of course, he means tossed out the window, thereby making room for the transformation of those of superior judgment, like Michael Bloomberg, from mayors into emperors.

Michael, laddie, YOU are exactly why the constitution was written in the first place!


24 posted on 04/25/2013 3:16:04 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bloomburg and his ilk are the terrorists.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 3:26:57 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: All

Bloomberg and the U.S. government must change to prevent terrorism!


26 posted on 04/25/2013 3:36:29 AM PDT by bdog2995
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To: EdReform

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27 posted on 04/25/2013 4:58:08 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: babble-on
I believe in original intent, and it seems very clear to me that private citizens should be able to own a single shot muzzle loaded matchlock or flintlock gun or duelling pistol.

So then why aren't we dueling? What about cannon?

28 posted on 04/25/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

If there were private citizens with cannon in 1789, I am not aware of it!

Plus could you really “bear” a cannon? Doesn’t bear in that context mean hold up its weight with your body?

I guess you can tell the gun control debate is not the one that really gets me going. But I am happy to support the views of my fellow conservatives who feel strongly about it, just as they back me to the hilt on the need to reduce middle class entitlement spending.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 11:27:54 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on
If there were private citizens with cannon in 1789, I am not aware of it!

Look into the warships used in the revolution. -- Plus there's this (see cite #51).

Plus could you really “bear” a cannon? Doesn’t bear in that context mean hold up its weight with your body?

Your misconception here is due to the subtle change in the meaning of "to bear arms" over the past century or so due to subtle changes in the connotation (due to usage frequency) of the word 'bear'.

BEAR - verb (used with object)

  1. to hold up; support: to bear the weight of the roof.
  2. to hold or remain firm under (a load): The roof will not bear the strain of his weight.
  3. to bring forth (young); give birth to: to bear a child.
  4. to produce by natural growth: a tree that bears fruit.
  5. to hold up under; be capable of: His claim doesn't bear close examination.
  6. to press or push against: The crowd was borne back by the police.
  7. to hold or carry (oneself, one's body, one's head, etc.): to bear oneself erectly.
  8. to conduct (oneself): to bear oneself bravely.
  9. to suffer; endure; undergo: to bear the blame.
  10. to sustain without yielding or suffering injury; tolerate (usually used in negative constructions, unless qualified): I can't bear your nagging. I can hardly bear to see her suffering so.
  11. to be fit for or worthy of: It doesn't bear repeating.
  12. to carry; bring: to bear gifts.
  13. to carry in the mind or heart: to bear love; to bear malice.
  14. to transmit or spread (gossip, tales, etc.).
  15. to render; afford; give: to bear witness; to bear testimony.
  16. to lead; guide; take: They bore him home.
  17. to have and be entitled to: to bear title.
  18. to exhibit; show: to bear a resemblance.
  19. to accept or have, as an obligation: to bear responsibility; to bear the cost.
  20. to stand in (a relation or ratio); have or show correlatively: the relation that price bears to profit.
  21. to possess, as a quality or characteristic; have in or on: to bear traces; to bear an inscription.
  22. to have and use; exercise: to bear authority; to bear sway.
As you can see there's a lot of meanings to the word 'bear' -- but we can group them into "idea-classes" if you will:
Now, in order to understand what it is "to bear arms" you need to cast your mind into feudal ages -- where a lord was obligated to render up the men/arms for an army [and/or navy] -- this, incidentally, is not solely a western as feudal Japan was similar. It was not uncommon for the common-man under the lord to be able to own/use private arms, but due to the nature of mankind it would change into a system where the common-man was disbarred the use of arms with exceptions so that the common men would not overthrow the lord. This led to a system of nobles, who had as their birthright the ownership and usage of weapons (in Japan this was the Samurai caste). -- This also gave rise to the right to bear arms as separate from ownership: the right to bear was the right to use, and the right to keep was the right to own. These were distinct in the time of knights so that they could muster an army (and also legally justify squires/armor-bearers).

In light of that understanding it is obvious that the 2ND amendment is, in effect, the enobling of every citizen -- as Coxe said:

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.

Tench Coxe -- The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

I guess you can tell the gun control debate is not the one that really gets me going. But I am happy to support the views of my fellow conservatives who feel strongly about it, just as they back me to the hilt on the need to reduce middle class entitlement spending.

It's something I do feel strongly about, because the absolute nature of the language is indicative of how just the government, especially the judiciary, is.

30 posted on 04/25/2013 4:31:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I believe that you have carried the day (borne the day?).

That’s interesting reading, top to bottom, and clearly when it comes to original intent, indicates the framers did not want the people to be less well-armed than their government.

Of course tanks, fighter jets, satellites and drones complicate that picture quite a bit, and maybe even make the original framework irrelevant. (How are you going to overthrow a tyrant even if you do have an AR-15, when he has the power to plug you in the noggin from deep space with the push of a button?)


31 posted on 04/26/2013 5:46:44 AM PDT by babble-on
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