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Survivng Argentina ^ | 4/22/13 | FerFal

Posted on 04/26/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by Kartographer

we've slowly accumulated a stock of pretty much everything one buys at a store from dry and canned food stuffs, to other goods like storage bags, wrapping paper, soap, laundry detergent, cleaners, tooth brushes, paper products, and so on and on. We've really gone out of our way to identify everything that might be applicable, even if they are items we use only irregularly. When we run out of something, we check storage, pull out another one if we have it, and add it to the shopping list - so that when we go shopping, we are mostly replenishing storage and not stuff in current use.

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1 posted on 04/26/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 04/26/2013 1:17:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>One short term fix, especially if your apartment has a balcony and your apartment manager
allows it, is a grill’s propane tank fitted with a cooking grill attachment<<

When the Northridge Quake hit I used my camp stove. I had several gallons of fuel, which could have lasted about a month.

Fortunately, gas and electric were back on in a day or so.


3 posted on 04/26/2013 1:27:45 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Kartographer; Marcella
Note Ferfal's words about water storage.

I took Marcella's advice and have been buying the Ozarka 1 gal stackable water. They take up very little space, stacked up, in the corner of a room.

4 posted on 04/26/2013 1:47:18 PM PDT by Jane Long (I know it's only been four years, but I'm already SO sick of this socialism!)
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To: Kartographer

TP or Phone Books or Penny Saver .... cheap now

TT


5 posted on 04/26/2013 2:05:28 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Jane Long

I wish Marcella lived in my neighborhood. The problem is I wouldn’t know it if she or one of her skill-set and temperament twins did.


6 posted on 04/26/2013 2:19:25 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer

FIFO is your friend.


7 posted on 04/26/2013 2:33:46 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kartographer

Clorox makes a great antiseptic but the chlorine slowly evaporates from solution. I bought a few packages of “Pool Shock” at Walmart and it releases chlorine when dissolved in water. I also keep a very small amount in a closed plastic bottle near the toilet and sprinkle about 1/2 teaspoon after cleaning. It kills the mold. Much cheaper per dose than packaged bowl cleaners.


8 posted on 04/26/2013 3:26:47 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Lurker

***** “FIFO is your friend.” *******

There is always an out .... TP and Phone books (couldn’t help myself ;^) )

TT


9 posted on 04/26/2013 3:29:16 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Pollster1

“I wish Marcella lived in my neighborhood. The problem is I wouldn’t know it if she or one of her skill-set and temperament twins did.”

I looked at your about page and no state is listed. What state are you in?


10 posted on 04/26/2013 4:12:35 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: TexasTransplant

“TP or Phone Books or Penny Saver .... cheap now”

Large phone books are backup toilet paper. A relative of mine saw big phone books stacked on a shelf under a sink and said we could throw those away. I looked at him and said, “Toilet Paper” and he rolled his eyes and closed the cdabinet door. He and his wife think I’m nuts. They have nothing stored at all. He’d have to come here if the worst happened and would know at least I have toilet paper in a book.


11 posted on 04/26/2013 4:16:21 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kartographer
“Note Ferfal’s words about water storage.”

If water goes away, many millions will die as it takes so much to keep a body living. And, if it's all used to drink, and there is no cleaning of bodies or surfaces, infection will make them die sooner. Water is number one to stay alive and healthy.

I don't think you have talked about your water sources. Do you live near a body of water? I assume you have water purifiers.

12 posted on 04/26/2013 4:24:10 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

**** “Large phone books are backup toilet paper. A relative of mine saw big phone books stacked on a shelf under a sink and said we could throw those away. I looked at him and said, “Toilet Paper” and he rolled his eyes and closed the cdabinet door. He and his wife think I’m nuts. They have nothing stored at all. He’d have to come here if the worst happened and would know at least I have toilet paper in a book.” ****

I have a 5gl bucket stuffed full of Telephone books and a snap on toilet seat lid ... just because I can, now. The bucket and the Phone Books were free, the Snap on lid / seat was supposed to be a gag gift from a friend ... works for me. TP is bulky but it fits under the bed, I have a bunch of it.

TT


13 posted on 04/26/2013 4:30:21 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Marcella

Oh and a roll of plastic bags with the telephone books as well.

TT


14 posted on 04/26/2013 4:32:44 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Marcella

15 posted on 04/26/2013 4:36:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Marcella; CedarDave

Water is a real and serious worry for me. It is so serious it almost out ways everything on the side that that says bug in. The river here will be a ‘hunting ground’ of zombies and or predators, that is if the banks aren’t ablaze from careless fires. Even then I think that sooner or later the water will be unusable even if you can get to it especially in the dry season which is most of the year here.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 5:29:11 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Marcella

Nowhere near you - Maryland.


17 posted on 04/26/2013 5:37:52 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer
“The river here will be a ‘hunting ground’ of zombies and or predators,...”

I'm glad you brought that up. Most people think they can just get to a river or lake and they will be fine - plenty of water and fish and they can just camp by the water. People, good and bad, with nothing, which would be most people, will head toward bodies of water. The banks of waterways will be killing fields. I used to live with a lake nearly in the back yard and thought it was a dangerous place to live. Even though it was a gated community, nothing prevented people coming in by boat or anything that floated.

Your best bet is water barrels on every downspout. You may have some great contraption that holds rainwater like a huge tank or something. If you have a swimming pool that would be a great collector but you don't sound like the kind of person who would have a pool for frolicking and fun. I think you do have now some kind of container to put in bathtubs and filling for the first bit of trouble. Maybe you have some water in bottles.

Large amounts of water are necessary and so are water purifiers. My Big Becky will make clean water out of water in a ditch.

18 posted on 04/26/2013 6:28:26 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Pollster1

I wish Marcella lived in my neighborhood, too. At least she’s in my state :)


19 posted on 04/26/2013 6:30:54 PM PDT by Jane Long (I know it's only been four years, but I'm already SO sick of this socialism!)
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To: Kartographer

Any water is usable if you distill it. I have a coil of copper tubing to insert into my large rocket stove https://picasaweb.google.com/109188381423929573522/MyLargeHomeBuiltRocketStove. I haven’t checked it for, output yet, but it should supply enough drinking water for five or six people.


20 posted on 04/26/2013 6:32:55 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Marcella

Having a well with a non-electric pump is probably the best solution as far a water goes.


21 posted on 04/26/2013 7:26:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: Jane Long

I wish Marcella lived in my neighborhood, too. At least she’s in my state :)

That goes both ways. I wish some of you were around me. Send me a Freepmail telling me which city/town you are near.


22 posted on 04/26/2013 7:58:11 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Kartographer

“Having a well with a non-electric pump is probably the best solution as far a water goes.”

That is ideal. I live in town so a well is out. I don’t know if Kart is in or out of town.


23 posted on 04/26/2013 8:01:54 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

In town in the high desert of NM


24 posted on 04/26/2013 8:10:26 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

OK, now I remember it was New Mexico but didn’t know if it was town or country. I’d use water barrels under downspouts and plastic pools you can inflate to catch more rainwater. I have two of those pools but mine are very small as my back garden is very small behind my townhouse. Consider a Big Berky for a water purifier. You probably have water purifiers.


25 posted on 04/26/2013 8:23:05 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kartographer; Marcella

Are you kidding me? Marcella will have subdued the zombie hordes with her Magic Zombie Machete by the third day of a SHTF scenario. She will be their queen, and they will do her bidding.

Just between you and me, Kartographer — your real concern if the SHTF is how to counterbalance Marcella and her queenish tyranny. Maybe you can maintain a fragile peace by dividing the country in half. I.e. Kart gets the region east of the Mississipi and Marcella gets the western part, or something like that.

You guys really need to expand your thinking to include the power politics of post-SHTF Amerika. It’s the big picture you should be looking at, not just the small ball of dried beans and backup generators.


26 posted on 04/26/2013 8:49:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

“It’s the big picture you should be looking at, not just the small ball of dried beans and backup generators.”

I don’t use backup generators. Make sure you live in Kartographers part of America as I don’t want you in mine.


27 posted on 04/26/2013 9:48:37 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Yardstick; Jim Robinson

You will shrug this off, put it off to paranoia or what not, because that’s what narcissist do, but my worry would be it a real SHTF situation would be how much damage and how many people you would drag down with you, how many you think have done wrong by being prepared and so have actually caused what ever happens, You will burn with the need to avenge yourself on those who in your mind caused the problem. For yourself you have the right to believe and free to choose what you wish to do. If you think prepping is wrong so be it.

I think you are wrong, but I would never mock you belittle your or harass you over it. And there’s the difference between us. I believe you are wrong, but I do not harass you over your choice, because I respect your right to choose, you on the other hand to not respect my right to choose.

You come to Free Republic and yet you do not respect the right of people who are not harming you to live as they choose. That’s why so many came to America, because they were not allow choice and were harassed, mocked and oppressed because of their beliefs even though those beliefs harmed no one.

The other difference between us is that I would fight for your right to choose, were you wish to see me punished for my choices.


28 posted on 04/26/2013 9:49:41 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Yardstick
Are you back?

Guess what, if you don't have those dried beans and generators, you don't have power politics.

India's moguls got rich on single grains of rice. Multiplied by millions.

You have issues.

/johnny

29 posted on 04/26/2013 10:04:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

ping


30 posted on 04/26/2013 10:04:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kartographer

Right, I’m the narcissist. Even as you endlessly congratulate yourself on those you have “helped”. You could be taken seriously if you were advocating a few weeks of preparedness, which would get 90% of people through 90% of any situation that has any real chance of actually happening. But you cast aspersions on those who advocate this level of preparedness, because they don’t buy into your drama-queen SHTF BS. At best you are right in a broken clock kind of way, where your apocalyptic doomsday prophesying may inspire someone to a practical level of preparedness. You deserve no more credit than that, even though you obviously seek it.


31 posted on 04/26/2013 10:35:13 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah right, I have issues. Meanwhile you doom mongers are just perfectly well adjusted chaps...


32 posted on 04/26/2013 10:36:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
No doom monger here. I live every day without running hot water. I garden every year, can every year, carry 6 months worth of supplies put back every fall, just like my grandparents did.

What would be doom to you would be a minor bump (if that) for me.

You do have issues. And this is a well travelled road. Do you really want to go down it again?

/johnny

33 posted on 04/26/2013 10:41:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s funny that a guy without running water thinks he can lecture me on what amounts to normalcy.

Yes, I think you people are out to lunch. Please prove me otherwise.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 10:45:26 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper
Running hot water, I should say. I'll give you credit for having running water.
35 posted on 04/26/2013 10:46:19 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Normalcy is the problem. Not the solution.

That's your discomfort zone isn't it?

We are headed into a new normal whether you like it or not.

And yes. Anytime you call, I'll leave instructions that I'm out for lunch.

Some crazies, they aren't worth dealing with.

I do understand your need for attention, late at night, all alone.

I'll pray for you.

/johnny

36 posted on 04/26/2013 10:51:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Please spare me your prayers; I really don’t need them. Believe it or not I have a fairly full life.

It really is out of a sense of decency and patriotism that I find you doomsdayers so utterly contemptible, and I will continue to resist you as long as I encounter your posts on FR.


37 posted on 04/26/2013 10:55:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
What is patriotic and decent about not encouraging people to prepare to the best of their ability and resources?

Are the folks that went through Sandy really ok? Or just not reported on?

I'll pray for you. I think you need them.

As I said. We've been down this road. You know where it winds up.

/johnny

38 posted on 04/26/2013 11:00:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
Oh. Just to point out once again. I'm not a doomsayer, and I'm not a prepper.

I live a nice single and celibate 1870s lifestyle that suits me, with the added advantage of some high tech when I want it.

What part of that do you hold in contempt?

/johnny

39 posted on 04/26/2013 11:03:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes we’ve been down this road before, and it usually ends with you people looking silly.

As I’ve said a hundred times before, it makes sense to have a few weeks of supplies on hand. But this SHTH stuff and all the fantasizing that goes along with it is ridiculous.


40 posted on 04/26/2013 11:04:13 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
You are projecting. You always do that.

If you don't like the threads, ignore them. I've got a whole plonk list of threads to ignore depending on who posted them.

You aren't welcome here. Go. Scoot. Play in traffic.

/johnny

41 posted on 04/26/2013 11:06:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

You guys really need to expand your thinking to include the power politics of post-SHTF Amerika. It’s the big picture you should be looking at, not just the small ball of dried beans and backup generators.

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I believe you stated that simple preps for the things that are most likely to happen is what people should be doing something along those lines. And you seem to be calling them doomsayers just for wanting to be prepared.

Yet, you say they need to expand their thinking to include power politics of post-SHTF Amerika, and that merely being prepared with food and a source of power is not enough.

That seems a little contradictory to me. It also seems to make you an even bigger doomsayer when you use terms like “post-SHTF Amerika.

However, I’d like to explore your opinion even further. So please oh omnipotent yardstick enlighten us.

What exactly will be the power politics of post-SHTF America, and how should we all be preparing?


42 posted on 04/26/2013 11:17:09 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; Marcella; Kartographer

Ping to my post above.


43 posted on 04/26/2013 11:19:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
There's a full moon. Booze is legal. It's a Friday/Saturday transition. This was predictable.

He/she/it is very lonely and needs attention.

/johnny

44 posted on 04/26/2013 11:34:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You are projecting. You always do that.

And you always accuse me of projecting. It's a lame argument so I mostly ignore it.

You guys want to post your prepper stuff without it being subject to a response. Well, sorry, that's not how it works.

Feel free to find somewhere else to post your defeatist, depressive, unpatriotic BS. It's not like FR owes you the space.

45 posted on 04/26/2013 11:42:03 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper

Probably just out in the front yard sitting on a log, and looking all around for a one eye’d dog.


46 posted on 04/26/2013 11:46:25 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Yardstick
Didn't you already get a smackdown from the management on this?

/johnny

47 posted on 04/26/2013 11:49:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
I'm never defeatist. There's always a way to make stuff work.

I'm not depressed. I don't take depressants (unlike some that drink too much on Friday night)

And I'm certainly not unpatriotic. I not only made E-6 myself, I made babies that both made E-4, and they are raising kids that might one day face their own Captain's Mast or Article 15.

If you think the thread needs pulled, mash that abuse button.

If you think I need zotted, mash the same button.

Best not to do that if you've been drinking, though.

/johnny

48 posted on 04/26/2013 11:56:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Jim Robinson
Didn't you already get a smackdown from the management on this?

Not even close.

Management planned on bugging out to Texas in a much milder scenario than the SHTF scenario that you guys fantasize about. I thought this was fairly clear from that thread -- but I've pinged the appropriate parties in case you're still confused.

49 posted on 04/26/2013 11:57:09 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick; Jim Robinson
Yardstick said: “It really is out of a sense of decency and patriotism that I find you doomsdayers so utterly contemptible, and I will continue to resist you as long as I encounter your posts on FR.”

Yardstick wishes not to encounter “utterly contemptible preppers” such as we are on FR. I believe he is asking to be dismembered so he won't have to endure us any longer. Perhaps you could accommodate his wishes. "Utterly contemptible" prepper leader Kartographer has also pinged you to this problem.

Kartographer has helped thousands of people prepare for emergencies and he does not deserve the continual nastiness of yardstick.

50 posted on 04/27/2013 12:02:28 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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