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Immigration bill to bring in at least 33 million people, says group
The Daily Caller ^ | 04/26/2013 | Neil Munro

Posted on 04/26/2013 10:12:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

The pending Senate immigration bill would bring a minimum of 33 million people into the country during its first decade of operation, according to an analysis by NumbersUSA, a group that wants to slow the current immigration rate.

By 2024, the inflow would include an estimated 9.2 million illegal immigrants, plus 2.5 million illegals who arrived as children — dubbed ‘Dreamers’ — plus roughly 3.4 million company-sponsored employees with university degrees, said the unreleased analysis.

The majority of the inflow, or roughly 17 million people, would consist of family members of illegals, recent immigrants and of company-sponsored workers, according to the NumbersUSA analysis provided to The Daily Caller.

The estimate is likely the first of several that will be produced by advocates as the Senate grapples with the immigration bill developed by the “Gang of Eight” senators.

The 844-page bill was released last week, and was scheduled for debate and amendment in the Senate’e judiciary committee starting April 25. However, the amendment process was held up for a week by Republican Senators, who said they need more time to study the complex bill.

Advocates for the bill have yet to release any estimates of the future inflow.

“Nobody has a number that is based on the bill right now that’s accurate,” Lynn Tramonte, deputy director of the pro-immigration America’s Voice Education Fund, told the Christian Science Monitor in an April 25 article. “It’ll take a bit more [analysis] to get a specific number about how things will change.”

A high inflow could prove to be a political problem for the bill’s advocates.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


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1 posted on 04/26/2013 10:12:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

And the great American experiment in Liberty dies.


2 posted on 04/26/2013 10:13:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

They think Barry’s CommieCare is in trouble now, wait until 33 million foreigners are added to the list. LOL!


3 posted on 04/26/2013 10:16:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Caused by our enemies within.


4 posted on 04/26/2013 10:18:27 PM PDT by Jane Long (I know it's only been four years, but I'm already SO sick of this socialism!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I have said it over and over again, 30-50 million newly legalized illegals comprised of former illegals and their immediate families.

I had an exchange with another freeper who was defending Rand Paul’s position and he could not wrap his mind around this number. I said that any “immigration reform” that includes a “path to citizenship” is not acceptable. We must fight this with all our might. This is literally an existential moment for our republic. Please, please, call and write your representatives and tell them NO! to “path to citizenship” and NO! to anything that does have border enforcement before anything else.


5 posted on 04/26/2013 10:22:53 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Might as well just give the entire country to Mexico and be done with it.


6 posted on 04/26/2013 10:23:20 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Jet Jaguar

That would exceed the combined population of the above states.

7 posted on 04/26/2013 10:24:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well, they’ve already got us pressing one for English.

The politicians on this have done no research. NO thinking no consideration.

Next to the framers they look like Lisa Douglas from Green Acres.

And that is dangerous considering the weight of their plan.

Rubio is being played like a one eyed jack.


8 posted on 04/26/2013 10:36:28 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Jet Jaguar
Most of the 33 million will go on welfare.
9 posted on 04/26/2013 10:36:37 PM PDT by detective
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To: chessplayer

Yes, that’s right.


10 posted on 04/26/2013 10:37:09 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Jet Jaguar

Just the 11,000,000 people they SAY they will naturalize is almost as large as the State of Ohio, Our seventh largest state. If they claim 11 million, you can sure bet it is twenty million and that is more people than in New York and almost as many as reside in the State of Texas.

What really chaps my hide about this entire process is that not one of our representatives says the truth. The truth is that each and every illegal alien in this country is a thief. They steal from us every day.

They drive on roads they don’t pay for. They pout their children in schools they force others to pay for, they use our health care system that they don’t pay for. They are thieves and they are being rewarded for their theft and WE PAY FOR ALL OF IT!


11 posted on 04/26/2013 10:46:48 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: chessplayer

Well, Tulsa’s given itself over to wetbacks and ragheads. This country’s finished in another four or five generations.


12 posted on 04/26/2013 11:01:41 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: detective

Most of the 33 million will go on welfare.


Many will go on Welfare and many will be working for the Drug Cartels and also drawing on Welfare.


13 posted on 04/26/2013 11:02:14 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The United States will be considered a Third World country by 2050.

But it won’t matter because every country will be the same.


14 posted on 04/26/2013 11:04:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
If they claim 11 million, you can sure bet it is twenty million...

Yes, I believe the numbers are underestimates. And without securing the border, once the law passes the influx will be incalculable. Probably the equivalent of 2-3 new states added. Millions of new voters for the dems, millions of new low wage workers for the pubs, and untold trillions for the taxpayers to subsidize. What's not to love? /sarc

15 posted on 04/26/2013 11:17:22 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: 3Fingas

correction —...NO! to “path to citizenship” and NO! to anything that does NOT have border enforcement before anything else.

I am unwilling to entertain any sort of immigration bill that does not start with demonstrated enforcement and a big wall along the border where it is practicable.


16 posted on 04/27/2013 12:30:03 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They think Barry’s CommieCare is in trouble now, wait until 33 million foreigners are added to the list. LOL!


Exactly!


17 posted on 04/27/2013 2:44:15 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Jane Long

Repeat after me...

“We have to vote for the Republican no matter what because they are better than the Democrats.”

This is the result of the above stupidity.


18 posted on 04/27/2013 2:55:10 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jet Jaguar
The gang of 8 and media keep saying their bill will address the 11 million undocumented (illegals ) living here. That number is probably a low estimate...keeps getting repeated no one questions it.
19 posted on 04/27/2013 3:14:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

33 million more? And WHO did you say plans to feed them? Where will the additional welfare come from? Unemployment is at a major high, there are no jobs here in the U.S. No jobs, no tax money to fund their care.

Amazing how stupid our gubmint really is.


20 posted on 04/27/2013 3:21:19 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: Jet Jaguar

And new gun bill pushed will lessen the time an illegal can aquire a fire arm


21 posted on 04/27/2013 3:24:06 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Liberals despise companies that outsource their labor to other nations.

Yet, liberals have no problem outsourcing US jobs to criminal border-crossers who have no desire to become American citizens.

Most of the illegal aliens are like locusts, traveling to the country that turns a blind eye to them while they consume everything in sight.....jobs, healthcare, education, etc.

Once this nation is consumed, they will move on to the next opportunity.


22 posted on 04/27/2013 3:29:24 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: chessplayer

Seriously, governors of border states should give these immigrants what they want.

They should impose mexican laws, and give the states to Mexicans.

The Americans will cry in horror and throw them out.


23 posted on 04/27/2013 3:37:26 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: opentalk

11 million is lower than the 12 million estimate that they have been using since 1998 or so.

It’s more like 30-45 million


24 posted on 04/27/2013 3:39:16 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: stanne
"The politicians on this have done no research. NO thinking no consideration."

Maybe they have thought it through and this is the outcome they want because they are a combination of bought and paid for crooks, view themselves as the ruling elites who will be served by the teaming masses, or old fashioned American haters who want to bring down the country.

25 posted on 04/27/2013 3:42:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Jet Jaguar

-—— Original Message -——
From: Lee Keslin
To: McClellan, Jon (Cruz)
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: Rebuttal mexico

AMNESTY TWO ISSUES NEVER TOUCHED

ACTIVE FR’S IF YOU SEE ANY CREDITABLE REPORTS OF PROBLEMS AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE HAVING WHILE LIVING IN MEXICO PLEASE POST THEM.....

(1) When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ? And two other questions US legislators should ask

Here are three questions:that has yet to appear on any US legislator’s questionaire from either chamber

ASK YOUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS WHY THEY HAVEN’T

Issue One

!...Should Mexican citizens when in the US be given the same rights American citizens are given while in Mexico? .......Americans entering Mexico illegally get shipped back post haste

2.. The Mexican government through public statements and educational system lays claims to major portions or all to some of our southwestern states as part of the Mexican nation . Are we asking for trouble by granting their illegals an expressed path to our citizenship laying the groundwork for “squatters rights” at some future date ?

3... If it is deemed necessary to supplement the US labor force by allowing itinerant labor should the individual states make the determiniation as to the number should the offer being needed ? And should that offer not be restricted simply to Mexican nationals but to other central and south American countries as well ?

Issue 2

What makes it necessary for US to subjugate our sovereignty because of available cheap labor ? While the Godless Demo-Coms socialists encourage population control and abortion . Then complain the US is not reproducing enough citizens to replace its aging retiring workforce. But rely on as the Romans did on foreigners (barbarians) .to keep their welfare ponzie schemes supplied with tax money and keep the system working.....

On the Mexican problem

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right (over other countries from south American tying up their quotas) when American citizens vote in their elections .


26 posted on 04/27/2013 3:42:28 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause..Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I have a great idea. Why don’t these people clean up their own countries?


27 posted on 04/27/2013 3:58:57 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Jet Jaguar
WAIT A MINUTE HERE...WHAT'S THIS?:

'The pending Senate immigration bill would bring a minimum of 33 million people into the country during its first decade of operation.estimated 9.2 million illegal immigrants, plus 2.5 million illegals who arrived as children — dubbed ‘Dreamers’ — plus roughly 3.4 million company-sponsored employees with university degrees, said the unreleased analysis. 33 EFFIN MILLION? AND ONLY 3.4 WITH UNIVERSITY DEGREES? HUH?..... PSST WE DONT NEED MORE sure fire welfarers....

As USUAL ANNIE COULTER EXPLAINS IT ALL.....(and bye the bye shouldn't this elucidation appear on 9 out of 10 Conservative Congressmen's blogs?)

WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT ANN'S GENIUS columns.....?

ANN'S rightly concerned that were're gettin boatloads of those TSARNAEV jaspers! WHAT THE HELL KIND OF A DEAL IS THAT?

READ THIS: 'we're told Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (of the Back Bay Tsarnaevs) were disaffected "losers" -- the word used by their own uncle -- who couldn't make it in America. Their father had already returned to Russia. Tamerlan had dropped out of college, been arrested for domestic violence and said he had no American friends. Dzhokhar was failing most of his college courses. All of them were on welfare. (Dzhokhar was given everything America had to offer, and now he only has one thing in his future to look forward to ... a tenured professorship.)

My thought is, maybe we should consider admitting immigrants who can succeed in America, rather than deadbeats. But we're not allowed to "discriminate" in favor of immigrants who would be good for America. Instead of helping America, our immigration policies are designed to help other countries solve their internal problems by shipping their losers to us. The problem isn't just illegal immigration. I would rather have doctors and engineers sneaking into the country than legally arriving ditch-diggers. Teddy Kennedy's 1965 immigration act so dramatically altered the kinds of immigrants America admits that, since 1969, about 85 percent of legal immigrants have come from the Third World. They bring Third World levels of poverty, fertility, illegitimacy and domestic violence with them. When they can't make it in America, they simply go on welfare and sometimes strike out at Americans.


28 posted on 04/27/2013 4:19:34 AM PDT by jimsin (n)
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To: 3Fingas

Immigration - citizenship = slavery, FWIW. It’s a losing position.

Either no immigration or full citizenship. Taxing without representation will destroy the republic long term.


29 posted on 04/27/2013 4:24:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Jim Robinson
"And the great American experiment in Liberty dies."

Didn't die. Was murdered. With malice aforethought.

30 posted on 04/27/2013 4:37:07 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Jim Robinson
>>And the great American experiment in Liberty dies.<<

Not yet! Not yet! Americans still have lots to lose...when the corner is turned and Americans see they no longer have anything to lose but their country, then you'll see folks really speaking their minds.

It's kinda like a guy kneeling over a lil pile of brush attempting to start a fire with two pieces of flint. Just a matter of time when the fire catches.

31 posted on 04/27/2013 4:45:27 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Jet Jaguar
One further thought.

GOP....why?

If we keep fishing from the same ol pond, were gonna keep catchin the same ol big mouth bass.

We gotta change what were doin y'all. There's only a handful of folks in the party who still can be considered conservative constitutionalists.

Time and again the notion of changing the party from the inside utilizing the primary process has failed. Sure, one-zy, two-zy we pick up a good representative, then we lose a couple.

Turncoats like McCain, Graham, Bohner, remain firmly in control. We keep fighting the same battle for the party all the while the socialist gain ground little by little until...now.

Third party seems to always be foo foo’d. Any thoughts?

32 posted on 04/27/2013 4:56:57 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: JCBreckenridge

Slavery is not voluntary. Illegal aliens were not forced to come or stay here. They can always leave any time they want to leave. If people want to immigrate here, they must respect our laws. If they want to work here without becoming a citizen, they need a work visa. Giving amnesty to 30-50 million people who were formerly illegal aliens or immediate family members of illegal aliens will be catastrophic to the long term health of our republic.


33 posted on 04/27/2013 5:01:41 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jailed jihad terrorists to be set free in weeks

By Tom Whitehead, Security Editor

10:00PM BST 26 Apr 2013

Four members of the group, who travelled to Pakistan for training in terrorism, will be free within three months after being jailed for 40 months.

The 11-strong al-Qaeda inspired gang from Birmingham wanted to use eight suicide bombers in attacks that could have left thousands dead

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10020341/Jailed-jihad-terrorists-to-be-set-free-in-weeks.html


34 posted on 04/27/2013 5:11:50 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: chessplayer

Perhaps Obama will make it the 58th state?


35 posted on 04/27/2013 5:41:58 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: 3Fingas
I am unwilling to entertain any sort of immigration bill that does not start with demonstrated enforcement and a big wall along the border where it is practicable.

Ya mean like this?

That wall is in Israel. They know how to do it right.

36 posted on 04/27/2013 6:20:13 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Was listening to Graham lie through his teeth to Hannity on the radio yesterday. Hannity was too busy kissing his ass to ask any serious questions about it.


37 posted on 04/27/2013 6:20:18 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 3Fingas

I agree, which is why you deport them. There is a path to citizenship. There doesn’t need to be another.

Letting them stay and sanctioning it just so long as there is no path to citizenship is foolish.


38 posted on 04/27/2013 6:52:51 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Truth29

Well, perhaps so.

But I was thinking more in a philosophical sense, as in, they swore to God they would protect and defend the Constitution and this doesn’t fit that model.

Lisa Douglas isn’t a good analogy, then; she’s not a villain.

Eddie Haskell, then, but he’s too smart.


39 posted on 04/27/2013 7:20:05 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Jet Jaguar
The pending Senate immigration bill would bring a minimum of 33 million people into the country during its first decade of operation

After they're here, where are their jobs and health care supposed to come from?

40 posted on 04/27/2013 7:35:18 AM PDT by lowbridge
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