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Mexican, undocumented. . .Mormon?
Fronteras ^ | April 23, 2013 | Jack Rodolic

Posted on 05/04/2013 10:22:52 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: Tennessee Nana
We’d knock on the door and they’d insult us.”

Golly!

Why'd they do THAT???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

51 posted on 05/05/2013 4:21:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
“I remember being rejected constantly,” he said.

That is SO sad!!!

I'm just SURE you'll be ACCEPTED with open arms: Someday...


What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

 
 
 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


52 posted on 05/05/2013 4:24:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
“Do you see that little star?” Isaac asked his 2-year-old sister a few nights after the accident. “That’s dad. He’s watching over us right now. So don’t worry. I’m here to help you out.”

The shiny one near Kolob?

53 posted on 05/05/2013 4:28:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture.                             
Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham.
 
 "If You Could Hie to Kolob", the hymn
 
 Kolob as the inspiration for Kobol in Battlestar Galactica
 
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
Figure Joseph Smith Explanation[52] Explanation by non-Mormon and Mormon Egyptologists (quotes are from Deveria)[25][43][53]
1 Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh. "The spirit of the four elements (according to Champollion), or rather of the four winds, or the four cardinal points; the soul of the terrestrial world. This god is always represented with four rams' heads, and his image has certainly been altered here. — They have also evidently made a very clumsy attempt at copying the double human head of the god figured above, fig. 2, instead of the four rams' heads. The word Jah-oh-eh has nothing Egyptian in it; it resembles the Hebrew word [redacted] badly transcribed." (emphasis in original) The name hieroglyph above the central figure is Chnm-Re, the Egyptian "First Creator" god who organized everything out of the primordial chaos.
 
 
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham
 
 

54 posted on 05/05/2013 4:28:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; Salvation

“’We’d knock on the door and they’d insult us.’”

That is not an unusual greeting for Mormon Missionaries. It happens all over the world. Rock-throwing, spewing evil hate-filled language - and that’s from many so-called “Christians”.

That being said, I am against illegal immigration. I see where the LDS Church is trying its best to reach out to its members without law-breaking. This is one of the appeals of the LDS Church - supporting and loving its members. The Catholic Church does the same thing - but with more enthusiasm toward illegals.

Have a great day.


55 posted on 05/05/2013 9:15:10 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13; svcw; Graybeard; aMorePerfectUnion; Tennessee Nana
I see where the LDS Church is trying its best to reach out to its members without law-breaking.

...uhhhh...aiding and encouraging these law-breaking illegals IS "law breaking".

Sending KNOWN illegal aliens on missions by church authorities to areas where they may not be checked for citizenship instead of turning them over for illegal entry is being complicit with law-breakers.

But, of course, that's an "appeal of the mormon church"...church first, laws of nations/states way down the line.

The hypocrisy in your statement makes me vomit.

56 posted on 05/05/2013 9:37:22 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: District13

You are joking right.....where is the obligatory “they threw a glass of water on me”.

SLC lds are NOT trying to stop illegals - period.

Are you really Saundra?


57 posted on 05/05/2013 9:53:07 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: District13

You got 50 more to read!

When you get to #51; please take time to explain your chosen religion’s leaders statements to a modern world that awaits MORMON love.

Have a Nice Eternity.


58 posted on 05/05/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
I see where the LDS Church is trying its best to reach out to its members without law-breaking.

While the world sees that the SLC branch of Mormonism will EXCOMMUNICATE any members that actually FOLLOW law: their GOD's law - POLYGAMY - found in D&C 132.

59 posted on 05/05/2013 1:02:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
This is one of the appeals of the LDS Church - supporting and loving its members.

Unless one of them DARES to question ANY decision made from on high!

60 posted on 05/05/2013 1:03:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

I doubt it; as D13 is a Saint compared to her!


61 posted on 05/05/2013 1:04:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13

Saundra,

“That is not an unusual greeting for Mormon Missionaries. It happens all over the world. Rock-throwing, spewing evil hate-filled language - and that’s from many so-called “Christians”.”

Even worse than all of that is CHRIST who also condemned false religions, like mormonism, in even WORSE language!!

Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”
Matthew 15:8-9 “teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
Matthew 24:4-5, 24, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.”

See Also...

Mark 13:21-22
Luke 11:52
Matthew 16:6-12
Matthew 23:15


62 posted on 05/05/2013 3:57:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: iowamark

I do believe that. I know a lady that didn’t find out until recently that her parents were here illegally for over 40 years. Her parents lied to the children about getting citizenship and many other things like where her father worked and that the house they thought was owned by the parents was actually rented. Now that the parents are elderly and the children are helping them with finances it has all come out. Strange thing is her parents could have became citizens under the last amnesty, they did qualify but for some odd reason didn’t do it.

When you set out to do something illegal you don’t necessarily tell even your own children the truth. The one thing most people don’t understand is once people come here illegally, lies and more illegal acts pretty much have to follow.


63 posted on 05/05/2013 4:09:17 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: greyfoxx39

“The hypocrisy in your statement makes me vomit.”

” . . . I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.”

We had a perfectly lovely Sacrament service this morning. Walked around Temple Square yesterday - oh, how beautiful - tulips, jonquils, and the most glorious array of colorful flowers one has ever seen. Saw lovely families loving each other. There is no other place on earth so glorious as far as I am concerned.

God bless you.


64 posted on 05/05/2013 5:13:57 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: greyfoxx39

There are many great LDS Missionaries FROM Mexico who come here to serve, help, love and spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It would be sad if angry hate-filled people were rude to them here in America. Again, Jesus Christ is Lord, Savior, Redeemer, and soon-coming King. Amen.


65 posted on 05/05/2013 5:31:04 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: Elsie

“Have a Nice Eternity.”

Thanks, I plan to. My hope is in Him, my Savior Jesus Christ, my Advocate with the Father.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us . . . Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”

Does your heart not burn within you? Mine does. Wishing you the very best.


66 posted on 05/05/2013 5:34:32 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: Elsie

I wish you would quote from LDS Scriptures rather than plow through other writings that are not accepted as Scripture by my Church. Of course, your quotes fit your agenda. How sad.


67 posted on 05/05/2013 5:37:05 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13
There are many great LDS Missionaries FROM Mexico who come here

Do any of them bother to come here legally? With visas, etc? That would be a real change.

The "good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with Joseph Smith's lies....there was no need of any "restoration".

68 posted on 05/05/2013 5:40:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: svcw

“Are you really Saundra?”

She was banned/zotted.


69 posted on 05/05/2013 6:00:46 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

Just under a different name I see.


70 posted on 05/05/2013 6:20:46 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: District13

Elsie is quoting your “prophets”. Are you disavowing the words of the very oracles of the father?.


71 posted on 05/05/2013 6:38:15 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: District13

Reincarnation is not unusual on FR especially among LDS hacks...


72 posted on 05/05/2013 6:39:43 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

“Are you disavowing the words of the very oracles of the father?.”

Prophets are/were men. There was only One who ever lived on this earth who was perfect - Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

My point is that the anti-MormonISM folk on this site continue to dredge up so-called quotes and comments which are not accepted as LDS Scripture. It is underhanded, tricky, and sneaky.


73 posted on 05/06/2013 3:02:13 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13
I wish you would quote from LDS Scriptures rather than plow through other writings that are not accepted as Scripture by my Church.

I sure you would!

Especially when QUOTES from your chosen religions LEADERS show such animosity and rancor.


Ok; here is some of your 'scripture':

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


74 posted on 05/06/2013 3:49:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
Thanks, I plan to. My hope is in Him, my Savior Jesus Christ, my Advocate with the Father.

If this is SO; how can you IGNORE what #52 has shown?

Are you disavowing your past Living Prophets words?

Does

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
 
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it. 
 
Brigham Young,

mean NOTHING to you?

75 posted on 05/06/2013 3:59:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
She was banned/zotted.

Do you know WHY?

76 posted on 05/06/2013 4:01:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
So many imperfect men that has run Mormonism; and yet you youngsters like the Kool-Aid®.


Prophets are/were men. There was only One who ever lived on this earth who was perfect - Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

77 posted on 05/06/2013 4:04:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
It is underhanded, tricky, and sneaky.

Oh?

I hate when stuff like that happens.

But; it DOES give those, whose chosen religious organization's teachings are EXPOSED, a chance to post what they've been taught as the 'truth' in rebuttal.

78 posted on 05/06/2013 4:08:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
It is underhanded, tricky, and sneaky.

 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."





"You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


Here is a chance for YOU to show your tremendous knowledge instead of complaining about perceived unfairness.

79 posted on 05/06/2013 4:13:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13; Sentinal; svcw; reaganaut; Godzilla; caww
...continue to dredge up so-called quotes...

So called?

Are you asserting they are UNTRUE?

You wouldn't be the first MORMON to claim such; only to find out they were misinformed by their chosen religious organization, when they did the small amount of work needed to actually verify the accuracy of the quotes.

80 posted on 05/06/2013 4:18:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
I wish you would quote from LDS Scriptures rather than plow through other writings that are not accepted as Scripture by my Church.

Your church's Practice and it's Scripture seem to be misaligned in many places...


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

81 posted on 05/06/2013 4:24:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
Sorry D13, but you are mistaken. If you indeed truly follow the ideals and doctrine of the LDS your "prophets" words are scripture.

From your churches' very on web site:

Words of Our Living Prophets

In addition to these four books of scripture, the inspired words of our living prophets become scripture to us. Their words come to us through conferences, the Liahona or Ensign magazine, and instructions to local priesthood leaders. “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God” (Articles of Faith 1:9).

So as I was saying, are you throwing your "prophets" under the bus in order to make a weak argument...

82 posted on 05/06/2013 4:49:14 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: District13

Please show me which quotes are untrue, thank you


83 posted on 05/06/2013 5:05:31 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: ejonesie22
So as I was saying, are you throwing your "prophets" under the bus in order to make a weak argument...

Well; the PROPHETS have thrown their GOD under the bus; so this is a piddling affair.


 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


84 posted on 05/06/2013 5:18:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13

The quotes are acurate and in context, look them up. They are also from LDS sources. Mormonism is its own worst enemy.


85 posted on 05/06/2013 8:32:35 AM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: District13

She asked for it (literally). She wasn’t banned, she opused out, but she keeps lying and saying she was run off the page.

You can ask JR.


86 posted on 05/06/2013 8:33:56 AM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut

Oh, she knows...why she is no longer here under the other name


87 posted on 05/06/2013 9:30:26 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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