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More Milton Friedman, Less Rush Limbaugh
Radio Free NJ ^ | 5/4/13 | Tom

Posted on 05/04/2013 3:54:55 PM PDT by kreitzer

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1 posted on 05/04/2013 3:54:55 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: kreitzer

Nothing against Rush of course.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 3:55:40 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: kreitzer

Don’t bring persuasion to a gunfight.


3 posted on 05/04/2013 3:58:33 PM PDT by Misterioso (The proverbial elephant in the room is kneeling on a prayer rug. -- Don Feder)
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To: kreitzer

The way to beat liberals is not to trick them; it is to flush them away like the sewage they are.


4 posted on 05/04/2013 3:59:44 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU...)
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To: kreitzer

Rush doesn’t convince people?

Yes, no one who does not LISTEN to his show, EVAR.

But if they listen 1 or 2 times, they’re hooked.


5 posted on 05/04/2013 4:01:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: kreitzer

Rush wins arguments by screaming “Your [sic] an idiot”...?

REALLY?

The only person who’d say that is someone who has NEVER heard his show. In fact he’s polite —incredibly so. To callers, to his friends, to co-workers, to his pilots and ground crew, to people he is SUPPOSED to hate, the list goes on and on.

It’s just “cool” to say that Rush is mean, and sorry, but that’s just incorrect. The truth is MUCH harder, much more complex —Rush takes care of people and even many of the libs who call his show.

The left needs to repeat “Rush is mean and screams” because the very thought of even giving him just ONE CHANCE is terrifying to them. And it’s terrifying because deep down they have a dawning sense of just how rickety it is, their conceptual model of how the world works.

They ignore and bash him, and he is GOING TO WIN. And so are WE.


6 posted on 05/04/2013 4:07:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: kreitzer
That was Milton Friedman's great trick. He educated neo-marxists about what the free market actually does and in the process helped turned all of western civilization in the direction of economic liberty for a generation. He only ever spoke to those opposed to economic liberty in language they they understood.

Any one thinking that Zero's followers could even hang in a Econ class, let alone with Friedman, is kidding themselves. Most of Obama's people, the 47 percent ... plus, couldn't get by the Calc 3 course to get into intermediate Econ course. (At least that is what I had to do 30 years ago)

7 posted on 05/04/2013 4:07:50 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Misterioso

There are no arguments that will win with liberals. They are brainwashed. I’m tired of being called evil because I’m conservative. We have “compromised” over the years instead of standing up for our priniples, and Republican moderates believed like this guy that we needed to make them love us. Well they don’t, and the liberals have insisted on us giving up half of what we wanted as we’ve gone down the slope calling it compromise. We have to understand that they ask for far more than they expect, knowing we will “compromise” and they’ll end up with what they want. The moderates have been in charge too long and given us more and more welfare and less and less morality. Time to put adults in charge. Repubs like Graham and McCain have to go.


8 posted on 05/04/2013 4:08:16 PM PDT by TStro
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To: kreitzer
Logical arguments to convince morons? Logic is necessary, but one should go negative, also.

Rush Rocks, too!

9 posted on 05/04/2013 4:08:36 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: kreitzer
Ah, yes; divide and conquer.
Make Conservatives think their worst enemies are...Conservatives!
10 posted on 05/04/2013 4:09:13 PM PDT by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: kreitzer
""Your an idiot"

Wouldn't that be "You're an idiot" idiot?

11 posted on 05/04/2013 4:09:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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“Your an idiot”?? First, it’s you’re an idiot, and second, you’re an idiot.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 4:10:07 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: kreitzer

Reaching across the aisle only benefits the person you reach across to in politics.


13 posted on 05/04/2013 4:10:12 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot. 969 yall.)
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To: gaijin

(Rush bump)


14 posted on 05/04/2013 4:11:28 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: kreitzer

The basic premise of the author is flawed. He thinks liberals are open to reasonable discussion of issues.

They are not. Their views are based on emotion.


15 posted on 05/04/2013 4:12:00 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: kreitzer

What a bunch of baloney.

I won’t point out all the poor logic in this piece.

But the main flaw in the author’s reasoning is that one can persuade liberals. One does not persuade liberals. One defeats them. You don’t convert them to your way of thinking (impossible), you overcome them. They are mentally ill.


16 posted on 05/04/2013 4:12:04 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: kreitzer

Tom’s a touch thick.


17 posted on 05/04/2013 4:13:56 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: kreitzer

Nah. Better to go after the low hanging fruit. That’s the way the Left does it. They go after the college and HS kids, the skulls full of mush, that are generally open minded. We have to convince those that will listen that the Leftists are nothing less than vicious authoritarians.
As far as Rush is concerned, he seems to be phoning it in nowadays. Focusing on the superficial culture stuff is really boring, but that’s probably what it takes to attract new low info voters.


18 posted on 05/04/2013 4:17:58 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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Having worked with rabid liberals at a union for 10 years, sometimes I would just act dumb and ask them to explain how something worked according to their beliefs. I’d just keep asking, and most of the time they would end up walking away with their head down, or sometimes get irritated because the knew they didn’t have a good argument.


19 posted on 05/04/2013 4:19:38 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: kreitzer
Attention whore 101: If you want to bring attention to your ignorant article or book, simply mention the words "Rush Limbaugh"

It worked for Al Franken.......

20 posted on 05/04/2013 4:20:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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Your [sic] an idiot, eh? Well, maybe you are the idiot not Rush for doing his job effectively.
21 posted on 05/04/2013 4:20:35 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: ConservativeInPA

I always liked his explanation of how a pencil is made.


22 posted on 05/04/2013 4:20:49 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: kreitzer
We know logic and reason don't mean nearly as much to liberals as their emotions. We know that intentions matter much more to them than outcomes. We know they care about fairness and equality Really???), and that their decisions must be framed in a self congratulatory way. none of that is so difficult that we can't accomplish it. Rush Limbaugh offers an incredibly satisfying rant, but he doesn't convince people like Milton Friedman did. We meed more of the latter and less of the former.

How many folks here think the Liberals care about fairness and equality? What a load of B.S.

They demand fairness and equality for themselves while dishing out a complete lack of fairness and equality to whoever they're talking to. They can't win in a debate unless the questions, the audience and the judges are all in their favor. They demand that we accept their Weltanschauung as gospel much like they demand we acknowledge climate change/global warming as 'settled science'.

So this article doesn't hit the target or even come near it; it sounds like a RHINO trying to get us to go along with liberals on things like immigration and gun control and if we just do that, then the world will love us and we'll win the next Presidential election. I'm sure Hillary will be healthy enough to run then (actually she'll be healthy as soon as Benghazi is swept under the rug).

23 posted on 05/04/2013 4:21:57 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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Rush persuades people all the time, but you cant persuade anyone who refuses to deal with reality, which, in my view, is the primary symptom of the mental disease called Liberalism. Rush is the Mayor of Realville which is a place most liberals refuse to go.......


24 posted on 05/04/2013 4:23:39 PM PDT by ABMer17xx
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...I went on at length about how we need to speak to liberals in a language they understand?

"Here's some free stuff confiscated from your neighbors and handed over to you in exchange for your vote."
Like that?

Sorry, but no sale on this. Liberals can't be persuaded. They are incapable of linear thought ("If this, then this") and are, ultimately, the most humorless, selfish people on earth. They walk into the polling place and vote for big government to confiscate more from their neighbors and from complete strangers. How rude and boorish is that? You don't "persuade" that knid of scum - - you smash it in the mouth and beat it into submission.

I am grateful, though, that thanks to Milton Freidman's persuasive arguments Phil Donahue became a conservative.

25 posted on 05/04/2013 4:24:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Very naive and poorly thought out post.

Liberal advocates cannot be reasoned with. They aren’t concerned with the truth. Their quest is power and winning. Period.

Find liberals who aren’t advocates and use logic and reason with them. You have a chance with them if they are honest.


26 posted on 05/04/2013 4:27:26 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: kreitzer; All

I can tell Tom is not real familiar with Rush nor Friedman

You will never see Rush go Alinsky someone. Sandra Fluke truly was a pair of panties short of being a lady.

And if you told the whole story on Friedman...you get Alinsky-ed by his supporters


27 posted on 05/04/2013 4:28:36 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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Liberals are divided up into roughly three groups:

The first third are the ones we all know and the author thinks we can reach. The problem is, of that third, a portion of them are not capable of thinking through an argument, no matter How persuasively or artfully constructed. They just aren’t capable. Another’s portion of that third simply is unable to allow logical argument to override their emotion. The last segment of that third are people Who are so easily swayed that as soon as they leave your presence and watch tv or speak to another liberal they will be un-convinced.

The next third that liberals are divided into Is composed of people who have bought the whole liberal argument hook line and sinker. They are the ones with spittle on their lips and glassy eyes screaming slogans like “no blood for oil” and such. They are the real honest-to-goodness “useful idiots”. They’re the ones who do all the dirty work for the last third of liberals.

The last third of liberals is composed of people like Barack Obama and Bill Ayers just as examples. These are the liberals who don’t buy into the whole thing, but understand completely that liberalism is about power over others. It’s about domination.

Bottom line, we are at a divide in this country, and the news media and large portions of the government are determined to keep the divide in place.

Arguing with liberals is like arguing with pigs.


28 posted on 05/04/2013 4:33:34 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Misterioso

One doesn’t persuade liberals. One defeats them.


29 posted on 05/04/2013 4:34:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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Provide a moral boost to your side, convince the middle and make your opponents look like idiots.

In the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln wasn't trying to persuade Douglas - he was trying to defeat the Democrats. Would it be nice if the defeat was so convincing that the opponents gave up their beliefs and came to your side? Sure. But you don't get that by being nice and meeting them half way.

30 posted on 05/04/2013 4:35:54 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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I’d submit more Rush and more Milton would be fine. They are not in the same arena. Rush is an entertainer and Milton was an economic theorist.

I find Rush entertaining though I listen to him seldom now, as I have already read most of what he covers on the net before his show comes on.

Milton is fascinating to read, but of course we are limited there since he passed away some time ago.


31 posted on 05/04/2013 4:44:24 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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Let me just jump on gaijin’s same train off thought, as clearly, this man has rarely (I could almost say never, because he may very well have picked up on some of Rush’s satire and mistook it for reality) truly listened to Rush Limbaugh. He’s mouthing the language of the drive-by media. I’d suggest that he go back to his own father, apologize for defaming him, and then sit down and listen to what he has to say. Perhaps he may actually learn something.


32 posted on 05/04/2013 4:44:57 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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Wow, if only the author had been around in the 1930s. He could have persuaded Hitler that the peaceful approach was the best way to solve problems. The allies powers could have further disarmed to show Hitler that they were not a threat. If only he had been around with this wisdom.


33 posted on 05/04/2013 4:45:22 PM PDT by House Atreides
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I would say more Freidman, and MORE Limbaugh. It is impossible to exagerate the positive influnce Limbaugh has been in this country.


34 posted on 05/04/2013 4:45:49 PM PDT by DManA
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Should we mention that Friedman claimed that our entire monetary policy could be determined by one man sitting at a desk for one day out of the month?

How is that basing monetary policy on market forces?

It isn’t.

It is a form of dictation. And having that power spread out over 12 branches of the Fed makes it no less dictatorial and socialist.

As I’ve said many times, I really like and appreciate Friedman’s books and lectures on free-market economics, but his Monetarism (which is a darling of the Keynesians) and backs a central bank, is as anti-thetical to free-market principles as you can get.


35 posted on 05/04/2013 4:48:54 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

As I’ve said many times, compromise with leftists is like agreeing to be bitten by only one of the viper’s fangs.


36 posted on 05/04/2013 4:51:08 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Check my first post to this thread. I know exactly what you mean.


37 posted on 05/04/2013 4:52:06 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Rusty0604

Which was an excellent analysis of the true power of market forces and market knowledge, a power that bureaucracies and agencies can never imitate and can never dictate to successfully.

However, throw into that description of the bewildering complexities of all the industries and market agreements and exchanges to make a pencil that you allow a small group of people on the outside of that industry to dictate the value of the currency being used at every exchange point and giving them the ability to vary the easy or difficulty in obtaining capital and credit because of the interest-rate policy and quantity of money in that same market, and you begin to get an idea of how Monetarism is completely antithetical to Friedman’s excellent analysis and support of free markets.


38 posted on 05/04/2013 4:55:21 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: kreitzer

I will take Limbaugh over Friedman any day.


39 posted on 05/04/2013 4:56:54 PM PDT by sport
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

And you are correct sir!


40 posted on 05/04/2013 4:57:31 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot. 969 yall.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
As I’ve said many times, I really like and appreciate Friedman’s books and lectures on free-market economics, but his Monetarism (which is a darling of the Keynesians) and backs a central bank, is as anti-thetical to free-market principles as you can get.


41 posted on 05/04/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Yes sir....and you put it in a way I could not do so as clearly

The difference between Friedman/Keynes is not so much.


42 posted on 05/04/2013 4:58:20 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Attention whore 101: If you want to bring attention to your ignorant article or book, simply mention the words "Rush Limbaugh"

There are probably seven or eight Freepers that you could say the same thing about.

I was on such a thread a couple of days ago. I was the only one defending Rush, while the bashers seemed say that anyone who liked what Rush said is dumb. I said that since there were so few of them, that they must mean that every Freeper is dumb. They pointed out that they outnumbered me. I counted and there were FIVE of them against me. I had to laugh.

43 posted on 05/04/2013 5:00:29 PM PDT by saminfl
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To: rlmorel

A little more nuanced that mere “emotion.” Try Lust, Greed, Power mad and other vices some even nameless.


44 posted on 05/04/2013 5:01:13 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeminoleCounty
The difference between Friedman/Keynes is not so much.

Not so much, huh? Please elaborate.

45 posted on 05/04/2013 5:03:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kreitzer

I did find out how to shut up a leftist. I said that we currently borrow $.40 out of every dollar the government spends. I asked “How do you suppose that’s going to end?”

Crickets


46 posted on 05/04/2013 5:04:50 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: kreitzer

DEFUND socialists and their collectives. DISMANTLE them when necessary. DESTROY them when necessary. The time for talking is ovah.

live - free - republic


47 posted on 05/04/2013 5:32:21 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: kreitzer

Rush Limbaugh continues to inform, motivate, and inspire on a daily basis after 25 years in his work. He is the one “must listen to” educator on the radio.


48 posted on 05/04/2013 5:32:38 PM PDT by Actually_in_Tokyo (ahead of the game)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“...couldn’t get by the Calc 3 course...”

I’d bet $5 that 90% couldn’t even pass Algebra 101.


49 posted on 05/04/2013 5:40:28 PM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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“Tom” is an imbecile that can’t even persuade the choir to his position because he’s illiterate. This article is a waste of time.


50 posted on 05/04/2013 5:44:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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