Skip to comments.Bill Maher: It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think 2nd Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny
Posted on 05/05/2013 12:29:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
HBO host Bill Maher had MSNBCs Lawrence ODonnell as one of his guests on Real Time Friday night, and the two were adamant that the Second Amendment cannot protect against tyranny (and that such a conversation shouldnt even really be happening in this age).
After pointing out the poll where 44% of Republicans said an armed revolution might be necessary in order to protect liberties in the next few years, compared to 18% of Democrats, Maher said:
Can we get to, first of all, how ridiculous it is for people to think that the Second Amendment protects them from tyranny. Didnt Waco solve that? We just had the anniversary a couple of weeks ago. Remember Waco? You know what they had in Waco? They had like 1.9 million rounds of ammunition; they had .50 caliber machine guns; they had grenades What did the government have? Everything else. The winner and still champion the United States government. Thinking the Second Amendment protects you from tyranny is like thinking the First Amendment protects you from Thor. Its quaint. Its ridiculous. Its nonsensical. And they never get called [on] it!
After Pete Hegseth, a veteran, asked whether Maher could imagine a scenario even in the abstract where liberty might need to be preserved with a weapon, ODonnell said to audience applause: Zero. Were past it. Were past it!
This country [is] long past the point where you would ever have to rise in arms against this government.(continued)
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It is wise to choose the moment for action carefully.
We should get a glimpse of what we actually face this week during the Benghazi hearings. What happens if someone actually decides to look under the forbidden rocks?
We shall see.
If they look, they will find a government running guns and missiles to the Islamists who are trying to build the caliphate around the entire Mediteranean. They will find a government cracking down on Christianity while it supports Islam. And they will collectively yawn because they have no idea of the import of that or any other fact.
Maher is the type who thinks he will have a privileged position in the tyranny as a Minister of Propaganda or at least an apparatchik with privileges at a dacha in the Hamptons.
Yes, they will find what you stated and more. And some will know what it means. Will it be enough? Guess we shall see.
That problem is understood and being rectified. The military is being reduced in manpower and the infantry is being replaced by techies and drones. The techies will happily operate their computer game things with no regard to the reality of it in the real world and the feminized homosexualized military is rapidly losing all characteristics that would make it a threat to the Rulers. The homosexuals, who will rapidly become a large , eventually dominating portion of the officer corps will be firmly on the side of the Rulers. The female officers and "men" will support the power center that "protects them".
You are right. They make this stuff up (50bmg machine guns, 1.9M rounds of ammo, grenades).
When the shooting starts the petty tyrants (like these sycophants in the media) will get whacked first. Then, it will get progressively harder and harder to find an enemy of the 2nd amendment when these rights stealers—however many remain in a vocal and unguarded position—rediscover that a million serious operators are distributed throughout the nation, not isolated on a plain in TX.
What an idiot. I don’t want firearms to protect me from the government. I want them to help me protect my life, my home and my loved ones from roving bands of thugs in a SHTF scenario.
and sidewinders in the case of the Soviets.
Yes Bill, the Davidians were out gunned and didn't have a chance.
The government called in the military to use a tank, tear-gas and flash-bangs to incinerate the compound, killing every man, woman & child that stood up to your beloved government.
I have read that:
“It is estimated that Texans own around 51 million firearms.” (probably a low figure)
You might estimate that the national figure is on the order of 250 million (probably more).
And I know some farm women who in a bad scrape I would feel comfortable shooting alongside.
“a Million serious operators”? Yes that is very credible.
The left can be very brutal, almost inhuman. But they are badly outnumbered, without their useful idiots. And those useful idiots work at the polls, but not when it comes to defending others.
“the people of afghanistan who effectively stopped 2 superpowers using AKs”
Not throwing cold water on the concept of popular resistance but go figure: every AK-47 in Afghanistan has probably been wielded by many pairs of hands, and the only ones still living are the ones clutching it right now.
In other words, they grow ‘em as fast as we can kill ‘em.
Their fanatical paradise-guaranteeing religion combined with their wild tribal culture stretching back centuries are powerful factors that normal civilized societies simply lack.
Is resistance to our growing domestic tyranny futile? Of course not! But an estimate of its true costs must be made. In 1776 it was simple: “We pledge our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor”. And so it began.
Diane Feinsteins Husband Rakes in the Cash from Government Projects
Posted on May 4, 2013 by Marilyn Assenheim Filed under Economics, Politics
Senator Dianne Feinsteins husband, Richard Blum, created the investment firm, Blum Capital. Blum Capital is part owner of the construction firm, Perini-Zachary-Parsons. Dots connected so far? Perini-Zachary-Parsons has won the bid to build high speed rail track that will link Madera to Fresno, California. Once built, the Reason Foundation estimates that the railway will lose between $124 million to $373 million a year.
If youve never heard of Madera California and have barely heard of Fresno, you are not alone. But Californias mania in pursuing this fiscally suicidal venture is not what is spotlighted, here. As Mr. Rogers might have asked, Can you say Conflict of interest? Or graft?
How did Perini-Zachary-Parsons manage to snag this prize? With the lowest bid, Blums company, miraculously, came up the victor. Their bid, $985,142,530, comes to $35 million per mile. At the moment, no one is asking the question of how it happened. The project is state funded. And, once again, Senator Feinsteins dynasty makes out while the state and nation she represents tunnels ever deeper into the septic tank.
Feinstein has been tied to cronyism, using taxpayer funds, several times in the past. According to Breitbart.com, in a report from June, 2012, Feinstein used her position and the information she was privy in order to:
Millions are willing to kill for socialism.
Many fewer will die for it.
When innocents shot back at tyranny at Waco, it wasn’t tried again for 15 years. A few armed homeowners would have stopped the Boston marital law quick.
I don’t see why we can’t own mortars and belt fed ammo crew weapons.
CWII the states will call militia up and at first, it will be Bring Your Own Rifle.
Yes Bill, it may go the way you suggest.
The problem is that it probably won't.
Not that I am advocating anything but I am too tired of all the “cross this line and we will get mad” talk.
We are almost fully Soviet now. the only reason we are not carted to the gulags is because they don’t fear us. It doesn’t matter what the Benghazi hearings come up with. “What difference does it make?” Clinton took bj’s in the oval orifice and all he got was a piece of paper that said that he was impeached. So what?
Just the govt. going nuts and trying to use the military to go against the American people, you are right.
It they can set up a scenario where it is made to appear as if some militant group has teamed up with a foreign govt/terrorist to wage war against the US, the military would squash them like a bug.
Well to be fair to the folks at Waco they did not deploy their armaments. They clearly didn’t want a full on war with the Federal Government if they had a lot more federal agents would’ve died. They would’ve still been put down but a contained small group is a far cry from the kind of situation that would occur if Revolution broke out. The military would be very unlikely to remain united in such a situation. Soldiers would refuse to fire on civilians. It happened in Syria and anyone who doesn’t think it would happen to a greater degree here are naïve.
Truthfully in our modern era a coordinated armed resistance would have an advantage on the ground in a modern country. A country would be quickly paralyzed in an all out rebellion and that would benefit the revolutionaries. Every move the unpopular government would make would help grow the rebellion. Let them start firing on citizens and declaring marshal law and it would get worse for them. Sure one man and a gun can’t hold off the government but one man martyr is very powerful image. Waco and Ruby Ridge both fed greatly into the distrust of the federal government. I couldn’t imagine anyone reading about Ruby Ridge without being incensed to righteous anger towards the feds.
Having guns means you can resist if it comes to it. It doesn’t mean you wont die in your defense but it means you can exact a cost something that will give pause to would be tyrants.
When the SHTF, the damage will be done with software, not guns.
Yeah you are probably right.
Then why couldn’t over a million troops, with jet aircraft, helicopters, tanks, battleships, missiles, smart bombs and every technology of the time, couldn’t defeat peasants armed with AK-47s in Vietnam?
Its Ridiculous, Quaint & Nonsensical to Think FIRST Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny, Maher, you jackass partisan media shill.
Three, actually. The British Empire, the Soviet Union and us.
Waco was (a) a cult, not anti-government.
He can’t understand that it’s logic,but it’s par for him.
On second thought. Maybe it would've been better if he had been around in 1773. That way he wouldn't be around today.
'Course, somebody else just like him would be around.
Kapo in making
Blissfully ignorant of history
Pray tell sans guns
How to resist tyranny
Waco...however flawed Koresh
Was push back of a sort
And it got attention from both sides
In the long view it served a purpose but at a high cost of children
It may or may not be etched down the road
You think the Taliban are fierce fighters! Get the American people angry and you will unleash a force that will make them appear like a Sunday school picnick. Think Irish Republican Army on Steroids. Suicide bombings, Railroad de-railings, Power towers pulled down, assassinations, why we Americans INVENTED Terrorism! Look at the tactics used in the early Labor movement? Look at the KKK in the south, Look at the Gangsters in Prohibition. If angered the American people will become un-governable. The government might own the cities—but the countryside will belong to the Partisans. All the drones in the world can stop this from ripping away the infrastructure— Liberals are fools to think otherwise—and they haven’t studied history.
If that was the case then why do I hear liberals calling for a “bloody revolution”?
The 2nd ammendment allows us to protect ourselves agains’t tyranny.
Waco was the FEDGOV against a small church...what Bill Maher needs to think about is whether that same force could have won against every household in Texas.
I think the answer becomes obvious to even the most casual observer. There are less than 25,000 police officers in the entire state of Texas. Add another 30,000 Fed LEO’s if you like. There are over 25,000,0000 people in the great State of Texas (mostly armed to the teeth).
If it ever came down to it, they wouldn’t amount to a fart in the wind against those odds. Now if nobody was armed and they had to throw rocks instead, it would be an entirely different story. A seven year old can see that. I am pretty sure Bill Maher can too if he is honest about it.
Look at what two guys with a few bombs and one handgun did a short time ago.
The problem is, here, that he’s very very wrong.
There’s a threshold out there, a tipping point, where The People will rise up against tyranny. Waco wasn’t it (small group of loons) and neither was Boston (very specific, temporary and isolated incident involving a massive perception of potential threat to the public).
Gun confiscation could be it. The one thing that, in my experience, stops gun-control supporters in their tracks is to point out that if 1% of 1% of the 80 million gun owners in the US were to do the “Molon Labe” thing in the face of confiscation there’ll be 8,000 separate instances of armed response to tyranny.
Local, state and Federal law enforcement will be quickly overwhelmed by that kind of response ... requiring either a backing-down, or an escalation (call in the National Guard and the military). Which then may provoke ANOTHER 1% of 1% to start standing their ground (so another 8,000 incidents of armed response).
Leading up to Pearl Harbor Admiral Yamamoto - who was trying very hard to reign in the Japanese Army nutters who were taking their nation to war against the US made comments along the lines of it being insanity to try to invade the US (which he said was the ONLY way Japan could actually win) because there’d be a “rifle behind every blade of glass”. There was a Russian back in the 50s (not Molotov - that would be way too ironic) who said the same thing but used the example of Coke bottles and gas stations ...
Dipsh*ts (Admin/Mods, pls excuse that one) like Maher - who have lived privileged and affluent lives in very sheltered and protected environments, just think that if the Government pushes The People will cave in, and for those who don’t cave in the Government has the means to put them in their place.
That kind of clueless thinking scares the cr*p out me. Especially if he’s reflecting the thoughts/opinions of real decision-makers.
KKK has had more members outside the South than in
The original Klan to resist occupation and radical Republicans till Hayes
Yes...a southern thing
Americans have rarely targeted women and children as policy
But have on Occasion yes
Night bombings WWII
Sherman ....latter Shenandoah cavalry campaign
East TN irregulars
But given our might we have resisted more than anyone else ever has
The terror you allude to is scant compared to jihad or Palestinian resistance or Hindu/Muslim/Sikhs
Or Sri Lanka Tamils
Or Congo savages attacking Belgian colonials
Think of it as analogous to the freedom of the press. Reading a newspaper to a column of tanks won't turn them back, but a vigorous journalistic culture just might turn our leaders minds away from going too far.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn