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Boston Jihad Bomber Eyed in Jewish Triple Murder on September 12, 2011
Atlass Shrugs ^ | April 22, 2013

Posted on 05/10/2013 10:05:14 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

Earlier I posted that the Boston Jihad Bomber's "only American friend" had his throat slit. I said, "I think this case should be reopened in light of the Boston jihad. Throat slitting is a jihad speciality"

What I didn't know was that all three vicitms were Jewish. We know that under Islam, slaughtering Jews is the most desired of all kufar murder."I killed my Jew!"

Islamic Jew hatred - it's in the quran.

Slain Boston Bomb Suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev Eyed in Jewish Triple Murder The Forward, April 23, 2013, thanks to Nik Best Friend Killed Along With Brandeis Grad and Devout Jew Police in a Boston suburb are investigating whether slain Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was involved in the unsolved murders of his close friend and two other men, one of whom was a Brandeis University graduate and the other a devout Jew.

Tsarnaev, who was killed in a shootout with police, was a close friend of Brendan Mess, who was found murdered in an apartment in Waltham, Mass. on Sept. 12, 2011, along with Erik Weissman and Raphael Teken.

Weissman was a devoted member of his synagogue, according to WCVB in Boston and Teken had majored in history at predominantly Jewish Brandeis

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KEYWORDS: brendanmess; dzhokhartsarnaev; erikweissman; raphaelteken; tamerlan; teken; tsarnaev; weissman

1 posted on 05/10/2013 10:05:14 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
We know that under Islam, slaughtering Jews is the most desired of all kufar murder."I killed my Jew!"

Actually, prior to WWI Muslims just didn't spend much time thinking about Jews.

Christians were an obvious military and cultural threat, but Jews were beneath contempt.

Which doesn't mean they weren't perfectly willing to kill them when convenient, only that they didn't care much about them.

2 posted on 05/10/2013 10:14:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: COUNTrecount

I remember reading that these murders happened on Sept. 11, but were discovered on the 12th.

They were watching a football game together on the eve of the 11th and they all stopped texting friends sometime around 8:00 p.m., so believed to have been killed about that time.


3 posted on 05/10/2013 10:15:08 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God Bless America)
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To: COUNTrecount

Reopen the case? If no arrests/charges have been made, the case is still open, right?


4 posted on 05/10/2013 10:18:19 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: COUNTrecount

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFtreatment.html

...MYTH

“Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs.”

FACT

While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: “The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.”...


5 posted on 05/10/2013 10:20:53 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: COUNTrecount

The carcass of the terrorist was buried with undeserved dignity and respect in a Moslem cemetery in Virginia...


6 posted on 05/10/2013 10:23:10 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan
Christians were an obvious military and cultural threat, but Jews were beneath contempt.

They had already killed most every Jew that existed in Muslim lands, so it was mainly a moot pointe.

7 posted on 05/10/2013 10:28:16 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Where? I’d like to make an offering or two while there.


8 posted on 05/10/2013 10:28:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mandatory BB Guns for 10 Year Old Boys would solve most of America's problems.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Uncle Miltie; GOPsterinMA; raccoonradio; Boston Blackie; ...
“Al-Barzakh Cemetery in Doswell, the first Muslim resting place in the region, has interred Tsarnaev’s remains, according to the Boston Globe.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/10/boston- suspect-tsarnaev-buried-muslim-cemetary-va/

9 posted on 05/10/2013 10:35:33 AM PDT by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, FReeper Extraordinaire Doctor Raoul...)
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To: SampleMan
Sorry, but you have little understanding of the history here.

For most of the middle ages and early modern period Jews were much safer in Muslim than Christian lands. When they were expelled from Spain and Portugal, most went to the Ottoman Empire and other Muslim territories and were able to go on with their lives, often thriving.

Which is not to say that Jews in Muslim lands were equal citizens or always treated well, only that they were generally treated by "Christians."

This of course reached its peak in the 20th century, when a country claiming to be Christian killed a great many more Jews than those killed by Muslims in that century, and probably more than killed by Muslims in all history.

There were still a great many Jews in Muslim countries in the 1940s. After the establishment of Israel most of them were forced out.

10 posted on 05/10/2013 10:45:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: nutmeg

Someone should set up a webcam to see who the visitors are...


11 posted on 05/10/2013 10:45:52 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: jjotto

Try to enter Saudi Arabia with a Torah and see what happens...


12 posted on 05/10/2013 10:46:57 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: Sherman Logan
One day the Arabs woke up from their thousand year slumber only to discover that the Jews were back and had nukes and had rebuilt their military caste!

Tough to be an A-rab.

13 posted on 05/10/2013 10:50:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sherman Logan
Meant to say:

only that they were generally treated even worse by "Christians."

14 posted on 05/10/2013 10:53:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: muawiyah

You bet.

When you build your entire worldview around the notion that you and your group are inherently superior because of your greater military ability, and then you get your ass kicked multiple times by a group you have held beneath contempt, partly because they aren’t military, it tends to mess with your mind.

Heh, heh.


15 posted on 05/10/2013 10:55:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
For most of the middle ages and early modern period Jews were much safer in Muslim than Christian lands.

Wrong. That is the recent PC history. You might not want to believe everything you see on TV, nor much of what is spewed by American academia.

Starting with Mohamed, Jews were systematically murdered, until their population was minute and limited to a few who had hard to replace skill sets. The "great many" you cite was about 1%.

Were they treated better than in Europe? Not really, at most you could say that the worst treatments in Europe were worse than the average treatments by Muslims.

The huge difference is that you actually find the mistreatment of Jews in Europe in Western histories. Such episodes are not so recorded in common Eastern histories, where it it is not found to be convenient. There was no Golden Period of equality for Jews under Islam.

16 posted on 05/10/2013 10:58:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Sherman Logan
... when a country claiming to be Christian killed a great many more Jews than those killed by Muslims in that century, and probably more than killed by Muslims in all history.

I take it that you are referring to Germany. It was not a "Christian" country at that time; its leadership had reverted to nationalist paganism, pseudo-scientific materialism and eugenics. It also allied itself with Muslims in Palestine and Eastern Europe in its attempt to destroy Jews.

17 posted on 05/10/2013 11:03:07 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: SampleMan
I agree there was no Golden Period where Jews were equal.

Only that they could live as inferiors in Muslim lands when they were not allowed to live at all in Christian lands.

While Jewish communities in Arab and Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs and Muslim. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam."

I've read several books by Lewis and Pipes on this subject, who are generally considered Islamaphobic by the PC people. My opinion is based on their scholarship, not on PC history.

56% of the immigrants to the new state of Israel were from Muslim lands.

Re: the Nazis. I don't consider the Nazis to have been Christians, and certainly most of their leaders were anti-Christian by any standard. But most of the German people were Christians throughout the Nazi rule, or thought they were.

18 posted on 05/10/2013 11:17:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

That isn’t true.

I recommend “In Ishmael’s House: A History of Jews in Muslim Lands” which documents the sorry state of Jewry living in Muslim lands - pretty much any muslim land - from 1200 AD onwards

Or the first half of “From Time Immemorial” by Joan Peters. In the early chapters she details the treatment of Jews in Muslim lands from 1000 AD up to the rebirth of Israel.

(Scholars frequently find fault with Peters’ demographic analyses of Palestine and Israel - but there are no issues with her meticulous historical treatment of Jews living under the ‘protection’ of Islam.)

These authors do not paint a pretty picture.

With temporary respites under enlightened single rulers, in all Muslim-controlled lands Jews were horrendously oppressed. They were subject to arbitrary murder and confiscation. They were not allowed to witness against Muslims in court. They were subject to heavy tax burdens to support their muslim masters.

The Jews were considered living chattel by the Muslims. If today they could bring them back from Israel, I don’t doubt that they would gleefully ‘protect’ them for as long as they could.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 11:19:00 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: tsomer
Sorry, conflated my responses. Re: the Nazis. I don't consider the Nazis to have been Christians, and certainly most of their leaders were anti-Christian by any standard. But most of the German people were Christians throughout the Nazi rule, or thought they were.

It should be noted that a large multiple of Muslims fought for the Allies in WWII as compared to those who fought for the Axis.

20 posted on 05/10/2013 11:19:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: agere_contra

Do you understand the difference between bad and worse?

Jews were allowed to live as oppressed dhimmi in Muslim lands. They generally weren’t allowed to live at all in Christian lands.


21 posted on 05/10/2013 11:20:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

The Muslims didn’t expel Jews for much the same reason that those vile men in Cleveland refused to expel the poor women imprisoned in their basement.


22 posted on 05/10/2013 11:24:02 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: COUNTrecount; OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ...

Boston Bombing Ping!


23 posted on 05/10/2013 11:42:58 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Which doesn’t mean they weren’t perfectly willing to kill them when convenient, only that they didn’t care much about them.”

We became un-subjucated. Muslims don’t like their slaves going free.


24 posted on 05/10/2013 12:05:35 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Sherman Logan
...when they were not allowed to live at all in Christian lands.

And yet, pre-NAZIs, they became a much larger percentage of the population in Europe than they did in the Middle East. Curious for the more persecuted population to fair better, don't you think?

The Church did not run the death camps, and in fact was readily persecuted by the NAZIs. But, if we are talking Europe vs. the Muslim World, that is a moot point with regard to 1936-1945.

The initial imigration to Israel included almost 100% of the remaining Jews from all of North Africa, Arabia, and Persia. Not surprising then that it was a large percentage. But that rather bolsters my point. Most Jews still lived in the West, but stayed where they were. While those in Muslim lands fled or were driven in mass to Israel.

25 posted on 05/10/2013 12:11:02 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

My original post was strictly with reference to medieval and early modern periods. During this period, there are multiple references of Jews fleeing from Christian lands to Muslim lands, but AFAIK no instances of the reverse.

When people flee in one direction only, as from East to West Germany, or from Cuba to the USA, there’s generally a reason.

When the Spanish Jews were expelled and fled to the Ottoman Empire, the Sultan said, “ “Ye call Ferdinand a wise king he who makes his land poor and ours rich!”


26 posted on 05/10/2013 12:29:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SampleMan

There are more Jews in Israel, than in the Disaspora, actually.

It’s about 50% Ashkenazim (European) 50% mizrahim/sephardic (Spain, et al/middle east)


27 posted on 05/10/2013 12:55:34 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: COUNTrecount

I suspect he did it to prove himself to Plotnikov and or Kartashov to gain membership and be above suspicion when he went to Russia four months later.

Here’s my notes from that year:

2011 – Third cousin, Magomed Kartashov, six years older than Tamerlan, founded and became the leader of an organization called the Union of the Just, based in Kizlyar, Dagestan, whose members campaign for Shari‘a and pan-Islamic unity in Dagestan, often speaking out against U.S. policies across the Muslim world. The group publicly renounces violence. But some of its members have close links to militants; others have served time in prison for weapons possession and abetting terrorism.
2011 - William Plotnikov gives Russian authorities Tamerlan’s name during an interrogation.
2011 – Russia claims Mama texts relatives in Russia Tamerlan willing to die for Islam
2011 – Maret, of west of Toronto, Canada reports Tamerlan is praying five times daily. Maret hasn’t seen brothers since about 2008.
2011 – Parents divorce and Papa moves back to Russia
March 2011 - Russia intercepts calls between Mama and Tamerlan and possibly Dzhokhar and sends warning to FBI. Mama also on phone with someone in the Caucasus region of Russia who was/is on FBI list.
April 2011 –Dzhokhar wins Greater Boston League Winter All-Star for wrestling.
April 2011 or June 2011 - FBI closes file on Tamerlan and Mama.
June 2011 - Dzhokhar graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school where he was co-captain of the wrestling team. He barely passed and according to other co-captain, Peter Tenzin, drank and smoked like 95% of the school Many claim he’s a good kid and City of Cambridge gives him a $2500 scholarship.
July 1, 2011 – FBI puts Tamerlan on TECS list to monitor his travels.
Sept 2011 - Russia sends second warning, this time to CIA. At some point, US officials meet with family at their home and Tamerlan is defiant to them.
Sept 2011 to Nov 2012 – Tamerlan and Katherine get welfare. She has dropped out of college and is working. He isn’t working or boxing.
Aug 2011 to Dec 2012 – Dzhokhar gets failing grades in college. He began as an engineering student and then switched to biology. Joins Muslim Student Association intramural soccer team.
Sept 11, 2011 – Tamerlan’s best friend, another Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School grad (same class as Tamerlan?) and boxer, Brendan Halley Mess, 25, and two other Jewish men, Erik Hacker Weissman, 31, a Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School grad, and Raphael Teken, 37, and close friend to Mess’ brother Dylan, were murdered in Waltham – throats slit, marijuana and money scattered over bodies. Suspicion is now on Tamerlan.
Oct 2011 - CIA puts Tamerlan and Mama on terrorist list.
Dec 2011 – Tamerlan attempted to go for a pilgrimage known as an Umrah to Mecca but that was the wrong time of year for such. Saudi Arabia denies Tamerlan access visa due to human intelligence developed independently from Russia in Yemen.
Jan 12, 2012 - Tamerlan goes to Russia. Papa claims he was with him the whole time but US officials claim papa wasn’t in Dagestan at that time. Before leaving Russia, he applies to replace his soon to expire passport from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan with a Russian one but returns to US before receiving it.
April 2012 – Dagestani Center for Combating Extremism registered Tamerlan’s repeated meetings with radical Mahmud Mansur Nidal, 18, who had been under surveillance as a recruiter for the Dagestani insurgency. He was killed in a police operation in Makhachkala on May 19, 2012.
June 13, 2012 – Mama arrested for shoplifting at Lord and Taylor.
July 14, 2012 – Plotnikov is one of several insurgents killed in a battle with Russian security forces. Russia speculates Tamerlan may have been involved with Plotnikov and were searching for him.
July 17, 2012 - Tamerlan lands in US from Russian trip and has grown a full beard. Neighbors say a few weeks later he was clean shaven.


28 posted on 05/10/2013 1:47:54 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Jews were allowed to live as oppressed dhimmi in Muslim lands. They generally weren’t allowed to live at all in Christian lands.”

They were not allowed to live in Christian lands? Then how was it that the Nazis were able to round up 6 million of them and murder them during WWII? While there is ample evidence of discrimination against Jews, laws against them regarding land ownership, etc., segregation and all sorts of blood libels, expulsions, etc., they certainly were allowed to live in Christian lands.

Still, the constant fear of being expelled from their homes was true. Likewise, false accusations.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 3:08:12 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

If you go back to my original post on the issue, I’m talking about medieval and early modern times, up to around 1700 perhaps.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 5:37:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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31 posted on 05/13/2013 5:27:33 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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