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Posted on 05/10/2013 10:05:14 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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Do you understand the difference between bad and worse?
Jews were allowed to live as oppressed dhimmi in Muslim lands. They generally weren’t allowed to live at all in Christian lands.
The Muslims didn’t expel Jews for much the same reason that those vile men in Cleveland refused to expel the poor women imprisoned in their basement.
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“Which doesn’t mean they weren’t perfectly willing to kill them when convenient, only that they didn’t care much about them.”
We became un-subjucated. Muslims don’t like their slaves going free.
And yet, pre-NAZIs, they became a much larger percentage of the population in Europe than they did in the Middle East. Curious for the more persecuted population to fair better, don't you think?
The Church did not run the death camps, and in fact was readily persecuted by the NAZIs. But, if we are talking Europe vs. the Muslim World, that is a moot point with regard to 1936-1945.
The initial imigration to Israel included almost 100% of the remaining Jews from all of North Africa, Arabia, and Persia. Not surprising then that it was a large percentage. But that rather bolsters my point. Most Jews still lived in the West, but stayed where they were. While those in Muslim lands fled or were driven in mass to Israel.
My original post was strictly with reference to medieval and early modern periods. During this period, there are multiple references of Jews fleeing from Christian lands to Muslim lands, but AFAIK no instances of the reverse.
When people flee in one direction only, as from East to West Germany, or from Cuba to the USA, there’s generally a reason.
When the Spanish Jews were expelled and fled to the Ottoman Empire, the Sultan said, “ “Ye call Ferdinand a wise king he who makes his land poor and ours rich!”
There are more Jews in Israel, than in the Disaspora, actually.
It’s about 50% Ashkenazim (European) 50% mizrahim/sephardic (Spain, et al/middle east)
I suspect he did it to prove himself to Plotnikov and or Kartashov to gain membership and be above suspicion when he went to Russia four months later.
Here’s my notes from that year:
2011 Third cousin, Magomed Kartashov, six years older than Tamerlan, founded and became the leader of an organization called the Union of the Just, based in Kizlyar, Dagestan, whose members campaign for Sharia and pan-Islamic unity in Dagestan, often speaking out against U.S. policies across the Muslim world. The group publicly renounces violence. But some of its members have close links to militants; others have served time in prison for weapons possession and abetting terrorism.
2011 - William Plotnikov gives Russian authorities Tamerlans name during an interrogation.
2011 Russia claims Mama texts relatives in Russia Tamerlan willing to die for Islam
2011 Maret, of west of Toronto, Canada reports Tamerlan is praying five times daily. Maret hasnt seen brothers since about 2008.
2011 Parents divorce and Papa moves back to Russia
March 2011 - Russia intercepts calls between Mama and Tamerlan and possibly Dzhokhar and sends warning to FBI. Mama also on phone with someone in the Caucasus region of Russia who was/is on FBI list.
April 2011 Dzhokhar wins Greater Boston League Winter All-Star for wrestling.
April 2011 or June 2011 - FBI closes file on Tamerlan and Mama.
June 2011 - Dzhokhar graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school where he was co-captain of the wrestling team. He barely passed and according to other co-captain, Peter Tenzin, drank and smoked like 95% of the school Many claim hes a good kid and City of Cambridge gives him a $2500 scholarship.
July 1, 2011 FBI puts Tamerlan on TECS list to monitor his travels.
Sept 2011 - Russia sends second warning, this time to CIA. At some point, US officials meet with family at their home and Tamerlan is defiant to them.
Sept 2011 to Nov 2012 Tamerlan and Katherine get welfare. She has dropped out of college and is working. He isnt working or boxing.
Aug 2011 to Dec 2012 Dzhokhar gets failing grades in college. He began as an engineering student and then switched to biology. Joins Muslim Student Association intramural soccer team.
Sept 11, 2011 Tamerlans best friend, another Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School grad (same class as Tamerlan?) and boxer, Brendan Halley Mess, 25, and two other Jewish men, Erik Hacker Weissman, 31, a Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School grad, and Raphael Teken, 37, and close friend to Mess brother Dylan, were murdered in Waltham throats slit, marijuana and money scattered over bodies. Suspicion is now on Tamerlan.
Oct 2011 - CIA puts Tamerlan and Mama on terrorist list.
Dec 2011 Tamerlan attempted to go for a pilgrimage known as an Umrah to Mecca but that was the wrong time of year for such. Saudi Arabia denies Tamerlan access visa due to human intelligence developed independently from Russia in Yemen.
Jan 12, 2012 - Tamerlan goes to Russia. Papa claims he was with him the whole time but US officials claim papa wasnt in Dagestan at that time. Before leaving Russia, he applies to replace his soon to expire passport from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan with a Russian one but returns to US before receiving it.
April 2012 Dagestani Center for Combating Extremism registered Tamerlans repeated meetings with radical Mahmud Mansur Nidal, 18, who had been under surveillance as a recruiter for the Dagestani insurgency. He was killed in a police operation in Makhachkala on May 19, 2012.
June 13, 2012 Mama arrested for shoplifting at Lord and Taylor.
July 14, 2012 Plotnikov is one of several insurgents killed in a battle with Russian security forces. Russia speculates Tamerlan may have been involved with Plotnikov and were searching for him.
July 17, 2012 - Tamerlan lands in US from Russian trip and has grown a full beard. Neighbors say a few weeks later he was clean shaven.
“Jews were allowed to live as oppressed dhimmi in Muslim lands. They generally werent allowed to live at all in Christian lands.”
They were not allowed to live in Christian lands? Then how was it that the Nazis were able to round up 6 million of them and murder them during WWII? While there is ample evidence of discrimination against Jews, laws against them regarding land ownership, etc., segregation and all sorts of blood libels, expulsions, etc., they certainly were allowed to live in Christian lands.
Still, the constant fear of being expelled from their homes was true. Likewise, false accusations.
If you go back to my original post on the issue, I’m talking about medieval and early modern times, up to around 1700 perhaps.
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