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To: muawiyah

You wrote:

“vladimir998, now, now ~ you are buying into the ENGLISH imputed archaeological version of history ~ which is simply not the same as the GALICIAN documentary version.”

Are you drinking this early?

“Only the more primitive Germanic Angles, Saxons, Danes and rough Bavarian mountaineers imagine the people around the Bay of Biscay to have not had a history of their own.”

I have no idea what your point is. As usual you are talking about something entirely different than I am.

“Pelagius, even the most fawning records, is credited with having Gallitian ancestry ~ and only some credit him with having initiated the Reconquista.”

He was a Visigoth. All sources agree on that. Did he have some native blood? Could be. By that point that could mean plenty of Italian blood too. And he did start the Reconquista.

“The Moslem records refer to him and his followers as “30 wild donkeys” ~ certainly something far short of number of folks needed to do something about the the Moslem occupation.”

Okay, so you just criticized me for relying on “the ENGLISH imputed archaeological version of history” while you’re relying on the Muslim version of history? Can you say hypocrite?

“I have to take exception to your belief the folks in Northern Spain spoke ‘Spanish’”

I never claimed they spoke Spanish. You are truly a mess. Why do you just lie like that? Seriously, you need to apologize. This is at least the second or third time you have made something up out of thin air. Why do you think it is okay to lie like that?

“that language became dominant there by the mid 1500s, but before that Galician was dominant ~ and that’s a Celtic language, not a rough German tongue.”

And you’re still lying about what I said.

“For the roots of modern Spanish you have to look to both Latin and Gallo and, of course, Ladino!”

Irrelevant. You’re still lying.

“Regarding religious matters, the Moslems and Christians worked out the old ‘follow the local noble’ standard after several centuries of conflict ~ in the beginning they just chopped off heads. The local Arien Christians were not highly respected by the Christian knights moving in from Brittany and Cornwall ~ probably why that brand of Christianity is not known in the region today.”

(sigh) You are so grossly misinformed that it is stunning. The Visigoths were Arian. They became Catholics during the reign of Reccard I in 587 (he died in 601). The country was solidly Catholic before the Muslim invasion in 711.

32 posted on 05/11/2013 5:32:08 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Again, you forget all about the worldwide catastrophe of 535AD which, by 541 AD had left virtually all of Western and Northern Europe devastated, and to a substantial degree, depopulated, in poverty, and without effective government.

Spain was easily invaded and taken over because, in reality, there was no Spain, only poor peasants and thuggish gangs ~ city life was long over.

The only highspot in the whole region was the seacoast on the Bay of Biscay ~ that's well reported in in almost anything that mentions King Ad ~ or St. Gildas, and Welsh genealogies.

33 posted on 05/11/2013 5:47:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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