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Air Force Attack Plane Pilot Says "Load Of Manure" That Jets Could Not Reach Benghazi
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 05/16/20`3 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 05/16/2013 10:28:12 AM PDT by joeclarke

Even in Vietnam, we Marines could depend upon close air support which was miraculously accurate - shooting down individual buildings, people and vehicles from the skies. I cannot remember one time in Vietnam when my squadron would not respond to a call for help from fellow Marines and others, who were in a "hot zone," needing immediate firepower from the skies. Tip Of The Hat to those Marine, Air Force, Army, and Navy jet and helicopter pilots. jc

From Various Sources. . .   

Lt Colonel Dan Hampton 
May 15 2013
U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel (Ret.) Dan Hampton flew more than 150 combat missions during his twenty years as a fighter pilot. He won multiple decorations for his service in the Iraq War, Kosovo conflict, first Gulf War, and elsewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlX2Mu61t5c&feature=youtu.be

Sigonella, Sicily  Naval Base Was Well Within Reach Of Benghazi
"The Obama national security team, including CIADNIState Department and the Pentagon, watched and listened to the assault but did nothing to answer repeated calls for assistance. It has been reported that President Obama met with Vice President Joseph R. Biden and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta in the Oval Office, presumably to see what support could be provided. After all, we had very credible military resources within striking distance. At our military base in Sigonella, Sicily, which is slightly over 400 miles from Benghazi, we had a fully equipped Special Forces unit with both transport and jet strike aircraft prepositioned. Certainly this was a force much more capable than the 22-man force from our embassy in Tripoli.  
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[VIDEO]: Lt. Col. Dan Hampton Calls Out Panetta And Dempsey: “That Is A Load Of Manure!”

Viper PilotLt. Col. Dan Hampton,decorated Air Force pilot and author of The New York Times Bestseller, Viper Pilot, weighed in on the reports from former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Dempsey, which stated that they would not have sent help to Benghazi. “That is a load of manure!” Hampton exclaimed, “As a fighter pilot we’re supposed to take risks.  That’s what we get paid to do. Sending a fighter jet overhead wouldn’t stop an attack, but it might have been a deterrent.”

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: benghazi; nohelp; standdown; terroristattack

1 posted on 05/16/2013 10:28:13 AM PDT by joeclarke
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To: joeclarke

Thanks for posting


2 posted on 05/16/2013 10:31:59 AM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: joeclarke

We had US attack jets running around the clock rapid response air strike and ground support mission to support and protect under attack Al Qaeda terrorists but we can’t send them in to protect our Ambassador and Embassy when it’s under attack.

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3 posted on 05/16/2013 10:33:52 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: joeclarke

Obama the Undocumented Moslem followed
the Code of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
that he MUST protect all Moslem terrorists.

And by allah, benGhazi Hussein Obama did just that.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 10:34:21 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: joeclarke

Point is, the guy who first got the call should have assessed what was needed, what assets were closest and sent them. Consequences be damned. Maybe there could have been a chance to save 2 of the 4. In a circumstance like that you don’t pussy foot around. You support your people. Would this cast doubt in your mind for a similar occurrence in the future? Does someone have your back? Does anybody have your back. Sure would make me have second thoughts. Screw a bunch of meetings and phone calls. Take care of your people first and foremost. Of course if you’re a scumbag you only think of yourself and how you’ll look.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 10:35:25 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: joeclarke

400 miles to the Air Force Base.

A commercial jet flies faster than 400 miles PER HOUR.

Proving once again that 0bambi is a lying, traitorous, sack of excrement.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 10:36:13 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: joeclarke

There’s not a spot on this planet that our military can’t get to in a couple of hours. So I didn’t buy that excuse from the beginning.


7 posted on 05/16/2013 10:37:37 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: joeclarke

so.. we could have planes dropping pig manures and pork kabobs and we didn’t send them? oh man.


8 posted on 05/16/2013 10:39:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: joeclarke

Yep. You use whatever you have. I remember a movie about the restarting of Israel. Frank Sinatra played a pilot with the Israelis. He was flying a Piper Cub or something that size. His mission was to drop seltzer bottles on the enemy. They didn’t have regular bombs and the seltzer bottles made a good pop when they hit the ground. He had a rifle with him for aerial combat. He got into a dogfight with a real fighter plane and his rifle jammed or ran out of ammunition. He picked up a seltzer bottle and sprayed seltzer at the enemy fighter. That is the kind of behavior I expect from American pilots. Dogged determination. If they don’t have that, then they should be spraying for grasshoppers. I expect that same dogged determination from our admirals and generals and high ranking government officials.


9 posted on 05/16/2013 10:41:57 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
LYONS: Obama needs to come clean on what happened in Benghazi

"Once the attack commenced at 10:00 p.m. Libyan time (4:00 p.m. EST), we know the mission security staff immediately contacted Washington and our embassy in Tripoli. It now appears the White House, Pentagon, State Department, CIA, NDI, JCS and various other military commands monitored the entire battle in real time via frantic phone calls from our compound and video from an overhead drone. The cries for help and support went unanswered."

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10 posted on 05/16/2013 10:42:19 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: NormsRevenge

This does not even include the planes on ready alert or in the skies already from the carrier group in the Med.

The Admiral commanding the group in the Med was relieved of command shortly after Benghazi.

Gee I wonder why?


11 posted on 05/16/2013 10:42:34 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: joeclarke

That testimony - 20 hours, really? - was so embarrassing I couldn’t believe it, and a slap in the face of the military who know damn well they’re better than that. Those guys were left hung out to dry and everyone knows it.


12 posted on 05/16/2013 10:45:39 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: joeclarke
“That Is A Load Of Manure!”

Says the man who has been "to see the Tiger"! I'd trust the word of Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton over Panetta or Dempsey any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Timid chair bound bureaucrats get people killed, flame breathing warriors know the score and get the job done.

Panetta looks like a "green grocer"! I'd rather see "mighty mouse" as Sec Def.

Regards,
GtG

13 posted on 05/16/2013 10:48:37 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: blueunicorn6

And if you want an American example, look at the first American torpedo bomber squadron to attack at Midway. They were coming in low and slow. The Japanese fighters had to come down from up high to get the Americans. And they got them. They shot down every plane in that American squadron. Can you imagine sitting in a slow American torpedo bomber watching your buddies getting killed? Your natural instinct would be to break off your attack and escape. An American torpedo bomber was no match for a Japanese fighter! But the American torpedo bombers kept coming. It is said that the Japanese commander of the air units at Midway watched this attack. Another Japanese sailor looked at him with great excitement because they had destroyed every American plane in that formation. The Japanese commander is said to have remarked, “They lied to us. They told us that the Americans didn’t have Bushido (warrior spirit). They have Bushido.” Those young American pilots in those slow torpedo bombers brought the Japanese fighters to a low elevation. The American bombers and dive bombers were at a much higher elevation. The Japanese fighters could not regain height before the Americans attacked. Those American planes then destroyed the heart of the Japanese navy destroying four aircraft carriers. There were twelve young American pilots who changed the course of a World War. They kept coming. We are Americans. By God, we keep coming. Those dead American SEALs were counting on that fighting spirit to come to their aid. Obama went to bed and then went campaigning. He is an embarrassment to those twelve fine young American pilots. He is an embarrassment to all Americans. We keep coming.


14 posted on 05/16/2013 11:00:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: joeclarke

They wouldn’t have been reduced to just a show and tell fly-by...The good guys on the ground had targets ‘painted’ and the pilots know they easily could have taken these targets out...


15 posted on 05/16/2013 11:09:53 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: joeclarke

I can get from Heathrow to Tripoli in about 3 hrs on Brit Air


16 posted on 05/16/2013 11:10:27 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: blueunicorn6

Awesome story. Never really thought of those 12 pilots as changing the course of the War and history but they did.


17 posted on 05/16/2013 11:21:09 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: joeclarke
Here is a video of Rep. Chaffetz saying that Gen. Ham, commander of AFRICOM at that time, told him that assets were near enough to help and ready to go.

AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. Youtube 1:43

Adm. James Lyons (Ret.) on Growing Benghazi Scandal

ADMIRAL LYONS: …All those comforting words that “We don’t want to put our forces at risk.” We had people at risk—they were crying for help! In a situation, you go with the resources you have available—and, in this particular case, we did have that 130-man Marine force recon team sitting there at Sigonella. Even if I only got 50 of them over there, that would have been significant in turning the situation around. We may not have been able to save the ambassador, but we certainly could have saved those other two SEALs that were over on the annex.

ADMIRAL LYONS: In perpetuating this lie, we also had administration officials lying to Congressional committees. That’s a felony. So, “What difference does it make?” It makes all the difference in the world. You cannot flaunt the truth here, just walk away from it and, basically, tell the American public to stuff it. That’s not acceptable.

The point on the organizing the two Marine anti-terrorist teams in Rota, that was good to go ahead and stand ’em up. What I find incomprehensible: The first team, it took them 23 hours to go a few hundred miles from Rota to Tripoli. I could go around the world in 23 hours, so that makes absolutely no sense to me.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.

How the military preps.

How an embassy rescue works.

Cross Border Authority.

18 posted on 05/16/2013 11:29:22 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Triple

There was no carrier in the Med. at that time.


19 posted on 05/16/2013 11:32:47 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: blueunicorn6

“We are Americans. By God, we keep coming.”

Just Dang. I got choked up reading your post.

My father and both his brothers enlisted late in WWII.

They certainly kept coming.


20 posted on 05/16/2013 12:03:12 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: TigersEye

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2953613/posts

Then, we have an up and coming Rear Admiral being relieved of command of the Stennis carrier group. This is significant as it is not due to conduct unbecoming, personal conduct, or for incompetence, but for “inappropriate leadership judgment”. What?!

Admiral Charles M. Gaouette was relieved of command mid-deployment which is rare (understatement). From the AP:

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment...

Stennis was the group in support of Middle East - Where was it? (I had heard Med.)


21 posted on 05/16/2013 12:12:17 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: TigersEye

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2953613/posts

Then, we have an up and coming Rear Admiral being relieved of command of the Stennis carrier group. This is significant as it is not due to conduct unbecoming, personal conduct, or for incompetence, but for “inappropriate leadership judgment”. What?!

Admiral Charles M. Gaouette was relieved of command mid-deployment which is rare (understatement). From the AP:

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment...

Stennis was the group in support of Middle East - Where was it? (I had heard Med. - but was wrong)


22 posted on 05/16/2013 12:15:13 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: blueunicorn6

This thread, and your post, reminded me of the fairly recent recipient of the MOH - Marine Dakota Meyer.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/dakota-meyer-marine-medal-of-honor-recipient-says-hes-no-hero/

He was ordered to stay back with his Afghan driver while the rest of his squad into a village. His squad came under attack. He called in several times for support (none came) and then asked to go in himself. Several times he was told NOT to go in to help.

He finally said screw it and went in to help. Made numerous trips in and out of the village with his driver and got lots of his fellow Marines and Afghans out of the ambush.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 12:15:28 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Triple

The U.S.S. Stennis was in the Persian Gulf. The carrier that had been in the Med. was back in Norfolk or some east coast port.


24 posted on 05/16/2013 12:28:41 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: 21twelve

There is a warrior. We have Pee Wee Herman as our President.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 12:50:31 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: joeclarke

514mph, the longest time is to fuel, load, and take off and land


26 posted on 05/16/2013 2:35:49 PM PDT by dila813
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To: MestaMachine; annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; ...

USS “John C. Stennis” from the Sixth Fleet probably had air power to reach Benghazi and preparing when it’s Commander, Admiral Gaoutte immediately was removed and sent in the “silent” corner!!!

Still nobody talks about Admiral James Lyon’s theory that makes most sense???


27 posted on 05/16/2013 3:13:39 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: MestaMachine

Only avowed enemies of the US could monitor the attack and DO NOTHING.

The Taliban is in the building.


28 posted on 05/16/2013 6:20:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: blueunicorn6

Got chills reading that.


29 posted on 05/16/2013 6:22:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: blueunicorn6
There were twelve young American pilots who changed the course of a World War.

There were 29.

30 posted on 05/16/2013 6:45:11 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

15 pilots, 15 crew. One got shot down but survived and was rescued.


31 posted on 05/16/2013 6:50:48 PM PDT by xone
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