Skip to comments.The Note in the Boat
Posted on 05/17/2013 2:11:22 PM PDT by Noremac
CBS News just conducted an interview with one of their special correspondents, former Assistant FBI Director John Miller, in which Mr. Miller explained to them about a note that the surviving Boston Marathon bombing terrorist, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is supposed to have written inside the boat where he was hiding from authorities. In the note, Dzhokhar is alleged to have made declarations to the effect that:
The Boston Marathon bombing victims were collateral damage in the same way that civilian villagers, women and children were innocent victims of Americas War on Terror in Muslim countries. When you attack one muslim, you attack all muslims. The death and dismemberment were executed in retaliation for the United States military campaigns in the Middle East. His brother Tamarlan is in muslim Paradise and because of this, he Dzhokhar, has no lingering concern or sadness regarding his death.
The proposition that when you attack one muslim, you attack all muslims, is one which should not be shrugged off lightly. This certainly is not a universally held belief among adherents of Islam, but I think I am on solid ground based on numerous surveys of muslim opinions, that it is a prevailing attitude. To be on the safe side of matters, we should think and act accordingly especially since it is no recent discovery that terrorist attackers are indiscriminate in targeting their quarry.
Mr. Miller, when asked if authorities believe the Tsarnaev brothers were acting independently in the planning and execution of the bombings, said that that is the conclusion they are coming to. It must be born in mind however, that since the CBS interview is an exclusive, it is reasonable to conclude that along with whatever information the Feds have disclosed to Miller, they have also prepped him to deliver the narrative of the brothers as independent plotters.
This version of the origins of the event, whether true or not, would seem obviously to be the safest one for the Feds to propagate, given the FBIs track record of involvement in failed sting operations.
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for illustration of said failures.
If, as has been reported by intelligence sources independent of Washington, the Tsarnaev brothers were CIA assets that had been turned by Wahhabist / Al Queda cells in in Makhachkala the capital city of Dagestan in 2012, you can assume that all official and non-classified reports will stick to the version that Miller is disseminating.
The Dzhokhar note raises another matter to be contemplated. If there is even the smallest amount of reality in the assertion that our military actions in such regions of the world, are contributing to a motive for terrorism doesnt it follow that we need to scrutinize our national interest in involving ourselves in these areas going forward.
If were there to fatten the wallets of the defense contractors, perhaps we need to put their wallets on a strict diet. If were there for oil, then wed better get cracking on that Keystone XL pipeline and get fracking on more shale and tar sands oil and natural gas.
So we curtail our national interests for the sake of wack jobs. Sounds like Ron "went full retard" Paul logic.
“If, as has been reported by intelligence sources independent of Washington, the Tsarnaev brothers were CIA assets that had been turned by Wahhabist / Al Queda cells”
What “intelligence sources” are those, DEBKA file?
“If there is even the smallest amount of reality in the assertion that our military actions in such regions of the world, are contributing to a motive for terrorism doesnt it follow that we need to scrutinize our national interest in involving ourselves in these areas going forward.
If were there to fatten the wallets of the defense contractors, perhaps we need to put their wallets on a strict diet. If were there for oil, then wed better get cracking on that Keystone XL pipeline and get fracking on more shale and tar sands oil and natural gas.”
What’s the point of posting articles with these nutso leftie talking points? At least include a [BARF ALERT].
So this guy was running around all night with a magic-marker?
Car chases, being shot at, being shot, throwing pipe bombs at police, running and hiding most of the night and all the next day, and the magic-marker is still in his pocket? Why did he even leave his home with it?
This could be a little bit of bushwa.
My thoughts, exactly. He was just hoping for the chance to write some rant for an excuse before being captured. The inside of the boat was the perfect blackboard, apparently.
...strange this note shows up weeks after the event with political slants when this clown is bleeding out from a previous wound......the follower,just following his brothers wishes, becomes Cindy Sheehan.
Kind of interesting that the first we hear of this “note” is one month later. Especially after all the earlier reports that they had no clue as to motive.
Very curious indeed and obviously there is a story there. Was it just PC or were they uncertain of whether there was a hidden message buried in it for some further unknown accomplices?
Collateral damage in the real world: When islamiacs hide behind women and children to insure that those women and children are killed when the islamiacs are taken out.
“Collateral damage” in the islamiac world: Intentionally targeting innocent men, women and children.
Yup, they’re the same. /SPIT
Maybe he never heard of free Wordpress blogs.
‘Leftist talking points’? You’re kidding right?
How is it a Leftist position to wonder aloud, whether after spending over $2 Trillion dollars on the War on Terror, we have virtually zero to show for it except more exposure to Jihad and a ballooning national debt - not to mention a Police state (Patriot Act) apparatus firmly in place?
How is advocating Energy Independence a ‘Leftist Talking Point’. Did you even stop to think before posting that?
Look I know leftists and anti-energy and anti-free market people want this to be the reasons the US is in these countries, Richard Cameron, but there is a far more plausible reason for us to be there.
We are trying to SHUT DOWN AND KILL the terrorist orgnizations that want to, and have come over here to kill us. We are at war with these people you idiots.
..and we did not start it.
Here's the deal...we need to be much more serious about killing these people and anyone who supports them, be it in a village, an urban area, or in the countryside. Just like we did with the Nazis and Imperalist Japanese.
We defeated and destroyed their military and humbled their people to the point they did not want anymore. As a result of keeping the gloves on, and beating them to a pulp and taking nothing short of uncodnitional surrender...we put them in the "mood" to be reformed and now they have been some of our strongest allies ever since.
We need to practise the same on the Islamic Jihadists and their support base or we will be facing these brush war insurgencies for the next 100 years.
Now that they realize people understand how hard it is to write on fiberglass with a pen, it’s a magic marker?
I keep a magic marker on me at all times, don’t you? /s
The pen could have been from the boat.
I haven’t yet seen any pictures of what he wrote, but many fiberglass boats have a covering over their ‘insides’.
At one time I thought that was the point of being over there, but it doesn’t make any sense now. There are less costly (in $ and human lives) ways to accomplish your goal of protecting us from jihadists. It’s called serious border security and stop importing muslims on educational visas and halt immigration from muslim nations.
That line of George Bush’s about “we have to fight them over there, so we don’t have to fight them here”, has turned out to be baloney.
He had half the night and all day to rummage around the boat for a first aid kit or something to eat and found a pen. I don’t see how this is so outlandish. Same as cars, people leave all sorts of stuff in boats.
No, it’s not baloney. We cannot allow them to gather their strength, plan unfettered, arm themselves, train, infiltrate and take over entire countries and then hit us hard.
But we do have to fight differently.
We did not “nation build,” Japan or Germany while we were fighting them. We fought them with all we had until they and those supporting them were annihilated and all they wanted was to sue for peace unconditionally. It did not take ten years to do that. In a much larger war, where there were infiltrators and sabuteurs, and enemy fighting behind lines, we were ruthless with them. We catch a spy...he is interogated and then lined up and shot. In that much lagrer World War, we did it in four years.
Then we took the waisted enemies and helped them keep from starving and then supported them building back constitutional republics.
We could have...and should fight these wars that way.
For example...a Fullejah would have been given an ultimatum. Come out in 72 hours or all the blood is on your hands. Then, instead of sending thousands of marines in their to take the place in a bloody house to house fight whiuch plays into their hands and desire for Jihad, we deny them that...we surround the place with Abrmas tanks and Bradley IFVs and then bombed it to rubble with B-52s for about three weeks. Then send in the mop up teams...plow the whole place under and salt the ground and have the survivors and those who did come out build a new city four or five miles away with wide streets and no cubby holes and tell them if they ever so much as harm the hair on an American’s head we will be back and do it again.
Anyhow..we have to defeat the enemy...not try to win their hearts and minds. Do that after they are utterly defeated and know there is no hope for their damnable Jihad cause.
And secure our borders as well. Slam it shut like an iron door except for the indentified and legal entry points where legal imigrants and visitors can come across.
We can do both...and should have long ago.
Screw rebuilding their rat’s nests. The only treasure we should expend is what it costs to reduce them to rubble. Period. islam is incompatible with Western civilization. Rebuilding them in any way is folly.
we’re not that far apart on this. For example - when we were in Iraq (your example of Fallujah is a good one), the Pentagon had absurd and unprecedented rules of engagement that not only tied the hands of the soldiers, but put their lives in needless jeopardy. The same was / is true in Afghanistan.
To put a finer point on my objection to pursue any further military engagements thousands of miles away, I would first have to be convinced that we had a strategy in place to win and that the theater and field level commanders were given authority to plan and execute without political interference.
I think you would admit that hasn’t been the case and with the bizarre conflicting ideologies within the Pentagon now, wouldn’t be the case wherever our fighting men and women would be deployed. Congress is also passive and out of the loop of decision making as to whether a military action is in our best interests. Instead, they defer to the White House. This is constitutionally out of order.
We now have Imperial Presidents (Bush, Obama) that are more like reigning Monarchs than constitutionally constrained Commander In Chiefs. No, until that situation is resolved, I tend to view most of these actions as wagging the dog for political purposes rather than motivated by National security.
Why aren’t the borders secure? We’ve just seen a report from the GAO, based on statistics from the Border Patrol that contradicts the narrative of Janet Napolitano that the border is under control. I know that you’ll agree with me that 40% (which may be a generous estimate) is not the border ‘under control’.
While I am by no means suggesting that we toss out counter terrorism, I think the War on Terror as it has actually been administrated, has been leveraged into an abusive and controlling Police State apparatus that has us more under control than the potential terrorist.
Some perspective needs to be applied to this. Americans are more likely to be killed by medical malpractice, drunk Illegal Aliens, Hurricanes, Tornados, unstable furniture, bath tubs, Alcohol and other substance abuse, Tobacco related diseases, Hospital infections, Lightning strikes, Bee, Hornet and Wasp stings, and Sexually Transmitted Diseases than domestic Terror attacks. I’m not willing make a trade in which I am virtually immune from terrorist events or mass shootings, but surrender the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th and any number of other amendments to the Constitution protecting me from Government tyranny. It’s not a good bargain.
Finally, whether we agree completely or not, I appreciate your respectful tone and willingness to discuss the issues & not get personal.
We have to do it like we did in World War II. We utterly defeated those people and destroyed their ideologies (Nazism and Ipperialsim in Japan). Those are now pariahs.
We completely humbled the people who supported them, utterly destroyed their armed forces, imposed unconditionalo surrender, and then under those conditions, presented them with constitutional republics which they adopted.
We have to do the same to Islamic Jihad and Sharia Law. Under those conditions, I am willing to talk about bringing the surviros, who surrender unconditionally after being rightously humbled to the dirt, into the family of civilized nations.
That is the ONLY way it can be done. Anything short of that is going to simply mean we will be fighting them for a hundred years.
It’s a leftist position to say that we are “contributing a motive to terrorism”. Terrorists are responsible for their own behavior; only leftists blame the victims of those scumbags.
It’s also a leftist position to say that we go to war “for oil”. Not to mention that it’s a ludicrous position, since we invaded Iraq ten years ago and still haven’t gotten any oil.
to say that I’m blaming the victims of terrorism is absurd and insupportable based on what I wrote. I’ll try again to get the point through to you this way. We have as much results from the War on Terror as we do from the War on Drugs.
Tell me how many Trillions of dollars should we continue to spend chasing down insane people in the Middle East; when the practical solution is to spend a fraction of that money making our borders virtually impenetrable and at the same time putting a moratorium on study visas, asylum applications and immigration from countries where people are of a mind to Jihad?
Secondly, if we did go to war for Oil, it’s ludicrous that we didn’t take enough to pay for the cost of invading and occupying. That’s not my fault. You might ask George Bush why he didn’t fill up the tank while we were over there. So, obviously it wasn’t about oil and it wasn’t about WMDs either. Then what? You tell me.
We could have hung up the banner ‘Mission Accomplished’ right after the Statue was toppled and backed out and let the Sunnis and Shiites have at it with each other since that is what they were going to do anyway. No, we saddle our soldiers with rules of engagement that are tantamount to treason and then assign them to collect garbage and collect trash.
I say, let the trash collect itself. $4 Trillion is hell of a hefty price for trash collection. Let’s get our own energy here and give that whole region a collective middle finger.
“to say that Im blaming the victims of terrorism is absurd and insupportable based on what I wrote.”
No, it’s not absurd or insupportable, it’s right there in black and white:
“If there is even the smallest amount of reality in the assertion that our military actions in such regions of the world, are contributing to a motive for terrorism doesnt it follow that we need to scrutinize our national interest in involving ourselves in these areas going forward.”
This statement certainly expresses that we may share some fault for the actions of the terrorists. Why else would we need to scrutinize anything? By bothering to give such notions a mention, other than to rebut them, you are lending credence to them.
“Tell me how many Trillions of dollars should we continue to spend chasing down insane people in the Middle East; when the practical solution is to spend a fraction of that money making our borders virtually impenetrable and at the same time putting a moratorium on study visas, asylum applications and immigration from countries where people are of a mind to Jihad?”
Sure, I agree, let’s stop all immigration from those countries and boot out the Muslims already here. However, we both know that won’t happen anytime soon, so it’s a fantasy proposal at this point.
“Secondly, if we did go to war for Oil, its ludicrous that we didnt take enough to pay for the cost of invading and occupying. Thats not my fault. You might ask George Bush why he didnt fill up the tank while we were over there. So, obviously it wasnt about oil and it wasnt about WMDs either. Then what? You tell me.”
Well, at least you admit the notion we went to war for oil is ludicrous. As for it not being about WMDs, I’m not going to concede that point, as obviously that was a large part of the justification for going to war. However, if you want to talk about the real reason, it was simply vengeance, or bloodlust.
At that point in time, the entire country, Republicans and Democrats, wanted vengeance for 9/11, and the invasion of Afghanistan was accomplished far too quickly and easily. Our bloodlust wasn’t sated, so we picked another target. It’s as simple as that, but nobody really wants to have that discussion because we want to maintain the illusion that we are civilized people and never surrender ourselves to such base motivations.
Wanna bet ?
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