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Bush-Era NSA Whistleblower Makes Most Explosive Allegations Yet About Extent of Govít Surveillance..
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Posted on 06/20/2013 11:24:23 PM PDT by quesney

Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst and Bush-era NSA whistleblower, claimed Wednesday that the intelligence community has ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

He also made another stunning allegation. He says the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama back in 2004.

“They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial,” Tice told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frog Post News.

He went on: “But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people.”

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Makes you wonder whether RINOs (politicians and judges, like Supreme Court justice Roberts) are RINOs because they are compromised.

It would explain an awful lot.

1 posted on 06/20/2013 11:24:23 PM PDT by quesney
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To: quesney

it might also explain bolton and cheneys angry response to snowden- calling him a ttraitor for revealign what terrorists ALREADY KNEW- that the US was spyign on them, tappuing phones, listenign in to cell phones, listenign via satellite, viewing via sattelite etc-

I said fro mthe beginning I thought bopth their reactiosn were a bit too angry especially hwne very little is known abotu what snowden actually knows- I suspected that perhaps even the republicans were afraid of what snowden might release- and hten I saw fox news all of a sudden make a 180 degree turn to where they mostly were attackign snowdne BEFORE even learnign abotu any facts about hte case- I just felt fox was perhaps ordered to attack snowden and try to deligitimize him discredit him, smear him before any facts were nkown becasue it might reflect badly on the GOP as well as dems


2 posted on 06/20/2013 11:40:08 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Never forget conservatives can be idealogues too and act just as bad as the Leftists. These folks are neoconservatives. That’s why I wasn’t too surprised by their response to Snowden. But what surprised me is that they got the RINOs to agree with them.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 11:46:27 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: quesney

“He later admitted he was the key source in a bombshell New York Times report that exposed the Bush administration’s use of warantless wiretapping of international communications in the United States.”

Meanwhile O’s NSA is wiretpping Tea Party members and conservatives
yet that is not a bombshell.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 11:53:49 PM PDT by funfan
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To: TexGrill

Neocons are easy to spot: They have an obsessive hatred of Russia and China. They supported the Arab Spring. They want to fight Syria and Iran. They demand American-style democracy in all countries and complain if anti-American parties get elected. They believe there’s a simple solution to fix all foreign policy problems and if not, USA must go to war against countries that disagree with them. Guess what, that’s Bush and it’s also Obama.


5 posted on 06/20/2013 11:53:56 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: quesney

Makes you wonder whether RINOs (politicians and judges, like Supreme Court justice Roberts) are RINOs because they are compromised.
It would explain an awful lot.


Many have been threatened. They can moan and groan and make noises but they don’t dare cross the line. IMO


6 posted on 06/21/2013 12:03:00 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: quesney

How convenient for this guy to just appear at this time. Is he a RAT?


7 posted on 06/21/2013 12:09:26 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: quesney

It would explain plenty.


8 posted on 06/21/2013 12:12:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: TexGrill
EVERYBODY should already know that folks who picked Alger Hiss over Chambers made a really serious mistake. Hiss didn't have any American interests at heart ~ only those of the Communist party politboro in Moscow.

When it comes to treachery or espionage best bet is to step back and see what they got first, but I must confess to a bias ~ guys who say they stole stuff and head for the Chicoms got some real 'splainin to do!

9 posted on 06/21/2013 12:12:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: quesney

Yes, but is NSA the problem ? Or the fact that most everyone in government is a crook ?


10 posted on 06/21/2013 12:24:28 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: quesney

What we got here is the absolute leader of the Executive federal government calling himself BLACK..
WHEN he is not any blacker than he is white.. is the truth..

You start with a lie and literally everything else goes downhill..
He is a mulatto he is not black..

I have nothing against mulattos, I just dont like lies..
The President is a liar and quite literally every single federal executive branch agency is tarnished by HIM..

Not only the federal agency(s) but every single person that works for those agency’s.. is complicit..

The slime runs downhill.. Including the military..
Name an agency..... its infected and operated by liars..
The American givernment runs on bribery..
Like the most primitive 3rd world country..

The American peoples opinion trumps “the Truth”
They cannot tell the difference between the truth and an opinion..

Democracy was, is and will always be Mob Rule.. by mobsters....
It is now and always was a LIE.. i.e. democracy
The the republic has become a democracy..

Thats WHY?... the american Constitution does not have the words democracy, democrat or democratic in it anywhere..
By design it is not an oversight.. its on purpose..

To wit: Democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters..
It is a filthy word.. a obscene scam.. a boondoggle..
A Rube Goldberg political machine.. fooling the half-educated..


11 posted on 06/21/2013 12:26:24 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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bttt


12 posted on 06/21/2013 12:26:40 AM PDT by ELS
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To: UCANSEE2
By gub'mnt what do you mean?

Do you mean your neighborhood letter carrier? Perhaps there's a secretary at HUD who answered the phone in a snippy manner.

Or do you mean the CURRENT RULING CLIQUE ~ which is just a few dozen people?

13 posted on 06/21/2013 12:27:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TexGrill

If I had a nickel for every time someone MISUSED the word “neocon” as you have, I’d be rich.

“Neocon” — for those who obviously have not studied Greek/Latin root words — simply means NEWLY conservative — in this particular case - conservatives WHO HAD ONCE BEEN LIBERALS. If a person was NEVER a “liberal” a la Buckley, they should NEVER be called a “neocon.” Please remember this and stop spreading ignorance.

An example of a true “neocon” would be Krauthammer.


14 posted on 06/21/2013 12:27:24 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: hosepipe

99% of American Negroes are, in fact, on average 25% white!


15 posted on 06/21/2013 12:28:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: funfan

The whole point of the article is to get one to accept that NSA spies on everyone, therefore there is no ‘bias’.

Which is true. The problem is what use is made of that information. Bush used it to intercept traffic between certain Middle East fellows and their useful idiots in the U.S. It says so in the article.

The problem is what the Obama Administration and the Democrat Party have been doing with the information.


16 posted on 06/21/2013 12:29:22 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: hosepipe

No wonder we aren’t popular with all these third world nations. We’re trying to ram ‘democratic government’ down their throat. Maybe that’s why they want to cut ours.


17 posted on 06/21/2013 12:32:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: gemoftheocean; TexGrill
If I had a nickel for every time someone MISUSED the word “neocon” as you have, I’d be rich.

I'm greedy. I want a nickel for every time the word 'ironic' is misused.

18 posted on 06/21/2013 12:34:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: muawiyah
By gub'mnt what do you mean?

Uh... let's just stick to the current WH Administration, the various appointees and czars, Congress and Senate.

If we go by your last proposal, it just verifies my claim.

19 posted on 06/21/2013 12:38:55 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: TexGrill

It’s not just foreign policy.

You can take Lindsey Graham’s political position on just about anything controversial that is domestic as well, and understand that to be the political position of the compromised.


20 posted on 06/21/2013 12:41:49 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: quesney
(politicians and judges, like Supreme Court justice Roberts) are RINOs because they are compromised.

. . . or they are compromised because they re RINOs.

21 posted on 06/21/2013 12:42:29 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: laplata

You speak like someone whose signup date is much earlier.


22 posted on 06/21/2013 1:06:24 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: laplata

You speak like someone whose signup date is much earlier.


23 posted on 06/21/2013 1:07:31 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: laplata

You speak like someone whose signup date is much earlier.


24 posted on 06/21/2013 1:07:32 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: gemoftheocean

funny, I always thought “neocon” was a buzzword for “Conservative Jew”

look at the antisemitism of the folks who toss the term and who they toss it at


25 posted on 06/21/2013 1:09:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: laplata

wow, a triple post. Sorry about that. I Hit POST only one time...


26 posted on 06/21/2013 1:17:26 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: UCANSEE2

You mean “ironic” isn’t rain on your wedding day, and free ride when you’ve already paid? Or some good advice, that you just didn’t take?


27 posted on 06/21/2013 1:38:43 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: quesney
so they "went after" then-senator obama, did they? So I guess he's just getting even and everything's squared up now, then?

Not buying the attempt at another 15 minutes of fame here.

28 posted on 06/21/2013 1:49:00 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: quesney
Eric Holder in so many words ADMITTED they spied on CONGRESS and JUDGES!!!!!!

If the Congress doesn't stop this now and start IMPEACHING, then we are indeed a TOTALITARIAN STATE!!

29 posted on 06/21/2013 1:50:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: quesney

That’s why they are such an awful lot! If they can’t man up they ought to get out!


30 posted on 06/21/2013 2:02:30 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: quesney

Actually there is plenty of info pegging obama as a foreign intelligence agent so it would have been in bounds to check him out.


31 posted on 06/21/2013 2:19:01 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: gemoftheocean

Thank you for the language forensics on the term “neocon”. The trouble is most never stop being liberals in practical and political matters.

Just as Democratic implies support for individual rights and empowerment while in practice Democratic policies severely limit those very things (excepting abortion and sodomy), there is little conservatism in the “con”.

I call Newt Gingrich a neocon because of his proposals and policies, not because he changed political parties. Proposing government-centered solutions to government-created problems ( example is proposing an Economic Competitiveness Administration to review EPA rules instead of reining in the EPA in the first place) is evidence of “neoconism”.

Chris Christie is another neocon. Other than chewing out some union members, he has done little to advance conservative values. Why does NJ still have all its draconian firearm laws if he’s so conservative?

Neocons tend to carry the R after their name and yap about right-sizing government instead of down-sizing government. They talk about the need for “reasonable” gun control while glossing over the existence of 20,000 firearm laws, many of which are unreasonable. They talk about the need for spying on citizens for security reasons, yet allow students from nations classified as hostile to study here....and lose track of 15,000 of them, while leaving our borders undefended. They propose amnesty for illegal aliens instead of using the NSA to find those “in the shadows”. They expand and create more entitlement programs while we are running a deficit (free drugs for geezers, etc). Scratch the surface of any neocon and they are socialists and equalitarians to the core!

Their names are George Bush, George W. Bush, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, John Boener, Karl Rove, Mike Huckabee, Reince Preibus, Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, ..........


32 posted on 06/21/2013 2:38:18 AM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: quesney
I'm trying to formulate the right question here, and I'm not sure I'll get it right. But here goes.

Suppose that theoretically, the NSA wire tapped Obama starting in 2004. And suppose that the NSA not only knew that he was not a citizen, but it also had tons of incriminating information on him regarding Chicago politics. Maybe the kind of information that would have guaranteed that he would have gone to jail if it had been released.

What would it say NOW about the NSA, if instead of blocking Obama politically, that the NSA preferred Obama to McCain and Romney? Just asking this question is making the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

33 posted on 06/21/2013 2:38:33 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: All

I guess Bush is getting akk the blame....


34 posted on 06/21/2013 2:50:01 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: CharlotteVRWC

Bush probably WILL get all the blame. Recently though, Obama appointed White Lawyer Avril Haines to be Deputy Director of the CIA. You think Obama might be a bit paranoid? I do.


35 posted on 06/21/2013 2:55:30 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: quesney
Bring us... a COMPROMISED shrubbery!
 
"Ohhhhho say can you seee...."
 
Eyes Wide Shut
"8-1984 - Lawrence King [Homosexual and alleged Pedophile] throws a lavish party in Dallas, Texas, after singing the National Anthem at the Republican National GOP Convention."
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin&oq=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin
 
http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=9

 


"Oops"

 

36 posted on 06/21/2013 3:01:42 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Enterprise
>>What would it say NOW

Hmmm, let's ask Jimmuh "The Killer Wabbit" Carter's NSA -- ZBigniew "ZBig" Brzezinski...



Meet ZNew ZBig, Same as ZOld ZBig
--Z Who?
37 posted on 06/21/2013 3:07:43 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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I guess now they will try to impeach Bush....


38 posted on 06/21/2013 3:14:17 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: quesney

Without corroboration it’s just a story, and on its face, an implausible one.


39 posted on 06/21/2013 3:17:10 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: silverleaf

you are correct.


40 posted on 06/21/2013 3:28:58 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: CottShop
it might also explain bolton and cheneys angry response to snowden- calling him a ttraitor for revealign what terrorists ALREADY KNEW- that the US was spyign on them, tappuing phones, listenign in to cell phones, listenign via satellite, viewing via sattelite etc- I said fro mthe beginning I thought bopth their reactiosn were a bit too angry especially hwne very little is known abotu what snowden actually knows- I suspected that perhaps even the republicans were afraid of what snowden might release- and hten I saw fox news all of a sudden make a 180 degree turn to where they mostly were attackign snowdne BEFORE even learnign abotu any facts about hte case- I just felt fox was perhaps ordered to attack snowden and try to deligitimize him discredit him, smear him before any facts were nkown becasue it might reflect badly on the GOP as well as dems

Here is your garble after using spell check. Don't be so lazy, use spell check, because you can't type.

it might also explain bolton and cheneys angry response to snowden- calling him a traitor for revealing what terrorists ALREADY KNEW- that the US was spying on them, tapping phones, listening in to cell phones, listening via satellite, viewing via satellite I said from the beginning I thought both their reactions were a bit too angry especially when very little is known about what snowden actually knows I suspected that perhaps even the republicans were afraid of what snowden might release and then I saw fox news all of a sudden make a 180 degree turn to where they mostly were attacking snowdne BEFORE even learning about any facts about the case- I just felt fox was perhaps ordered to attack snowden and try to deligitimize him discredit him, smear him before any facts were known because it might reflect badly on the GOP as well as dems

41 posted on 06/21/2013 3:31:15 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: UCANSEE2
If I had a nickel for every time someone MISUSED the word “neocon” as you have, I’d be rich.

I'm greedy. I want a nickel for every time the word 'ironic' is misused.

Dibs on "should of" or "could of" instead of "should have" or "could have".

42 posted on 06/21/2013 3:48:57 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: quesney

Bump


43 posted on 06/21/2013 3:50:03 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: muawiyah

“99 % of American Negroes are, in fact, on average 25% white!”

Would that be like a quarter-kracker but 3 quarter-blacker or am I reading too much into this factoid?


44 posted on 06/21/2013 4:03:21 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: TexGrill
Neocons are easy to spot:

Kinda tough, without the Star of David pinned to their clothing...

45 posted on 06/21/2013 4:16:12 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: quesney

Proof of what I have known in my heart all along. roberts... you should have quit and told America that you were being bribed. You are a traitor and a dishonorable pos.

LLS


46 posted on 06/21/2013 4:19:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: gemoftheocean

NeoCon - JOOOOOOSSS!!!


47 posted on 06/21/2013 4:23:02 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: gemoftheocean

>>An example of a true “neocon” would be Krauthammer.<<

Or Michael Medved.


48 posted on 06/21/2013 4:24:38 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra; UCANSEE2
If I had a nickel for every time someone MISUSED the word “neocon” as you have, I’d be rich.

I'm greedy. I want a nickel for every time the word 'ironic' is misused.

Dibs on "should of" or "could of" instead of "should have" or "could have".

I call dibs on "loose" and "lose" - it's like hitting the Powerball, and the odds are damn near even!

49 posted on 06/21/2013 4:25:38 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: rawhide

Yea, I sense an attention whore looking to get publicity. How convenient to come forward now, after Snowden.


50 posted on 06/21/2013 5:01:36 AM PDT by WildWeasel
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